Eustace…he gone…*official*

[1874]

When was the last time Derby where a better team than Rovers. Must be over 50yrs ago. Some commentators need to realise that the potential of Derby is based purely on population size. They haven't been a  footballing force in most peoples lifetime

[Hasta]

7 minutes ago, 1874 said:

When was the last time Derby where a better team than Rovers. Must be over 50yrs ago. Some commentators need to realise that the potential of Derby is based purely on population size. They haven't been a  footballing force in most peoples lifetime

Late 80s.  Better than Rovers but hardly a “footballing force”

[chaddyrovers]

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The narrative has definitely changed significantly after the statements by the club and also off the back of a couple of wins.

Short term, I still understand why he would have been frustrated by the January window. Will Dennis and/or Woodrow have any significant contribution in them between now and May? Ribeiro looks a shrewd short term pick up, and Kargbo has impressed in cameos. Sanderson seems a decent player to have to cover in defence, I still dont think Forshaw is what we needed but his goal was important yesterday.

But obviously in terms of building, our squad is still lacking any foundations. A large chunk of our squad is here short term and arguably our best 4 players (Brittain, Hyam, Tronstad and Travis) are all out of contract next summer. We havent renewed a contract for so long and that doesnt appear to change anytime soon, and the fact that Eustace didnt get any assurances regarding the summer suggests that we wont be in a position to rebuild.

Yes Dennis and Woodrow was not exactly the type of striker Eustace wanted but as yesterday and WBA shown this set of players are united and playing for each other

Karbgo looks an exciting player and put the doubters in the bin so far

Are Derby going to get the playoffs or chance of?

He has gone there for these reasons. Bigger say on transfers, promises of spending money and long term contract

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Naturally our focus needs to be on this season at the moment, but the percentage change of promotion is so small. Even if say we have 50% chance of a play off position, which I would say is very generous, it leaves us with probably again a generous 10% chance of promotion from there. 3rd and 4th place will be heavy favourites. Then we are back to square one.

 who knows what we happens in the playoffs and I wouldn't ever backed against this set of players. 

Edited February 16 by chaddyrovers

[1874]

7 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Late 80s.  Better than Rovers but hardly a “footballing force”

Still 35yrs ago and only 2 league titles and 1 fa cup

[roverblue]

6 hours ago, M_B said:

We have our fans commenting on how strong the squad is looking, and we have Eustace leaving, supposedly because of the recruitment.

Reading between the lines it seems that Eustace had developed a toxic relationship with the board/owners enough for him to bail out at the earliest opportunity. No mean feat given the position the team is in and with only 15 or so games left to do.

Presumably this is due to continual broken promises on investment in the squad and longer term thinking on players contracts/futures. This may have led to some fairly heated discussions and things get said that can't be then forgotten.

It also looks like Eustace was pretty non-committed to Rovers in general based on comments about him showing interest in other jobs since the summer (Preston was even mentioned by LET) and living in a hotel all this time. So its a fair assumption to suggest he never saw much of a future here anyway regardless of the outcome of the above.

Finally it seems from the socials of players/coaches that his relationship with the team and players/coaches was first class so he has done a good job of hiding his concerns from them and being professional in pushing the team forward.

As you say the squad is in a better place now than it has been all season with the additions (ignoring the short term approach to them all) so for him to leave at this point you have to question him as much as the club.

[Waggy76]

26 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Late 80s.  Better than Rovers but hardly a “footballing force”

More like late 70s ,very early 80s

I think they went up , same season we won Full Members ,seem to remember Keeley scoring a cracking own goal..

Edited February 16 by Waggy76

[Hasta]

2 minutes ago, Waggy76 said:

More like late 70s ,very early 80s

86 to 91 they won the second tier then spent 4 years in the top flight. That probably counts as a spell where they were the ‘better team’.

[Waggy76]

36 minutes ago, Hasta said:

86 to 91 they won the second tier then spent 4 years in the top flight. That probably counts as a spell where they were the ‘better team’.

I had forgotten they were up for that long.. 

Edited February 16 by Waggy76

[Blow-in]

Think its time we draw a line under this, we are starting to look like an ex. girlfriend. Much more of this and we will be ringing Eustace up after a bottle or Chardonnay and singing Alanis Morresette songs down the phone.

He did what he felt was best for him and given the state of ownership here it probably was. 

We have somehow ended up wih genuine playoff ambitions so lets get on with it.

 

Edited February 16 by Blow-in
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[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes Dennis and Woodrow was not exactly the type of striker Eustace wanted but as yesterday and WBA shown this set of players are united and playing for each other

Karbgo looks an exciting player and put the doubters in the bin so far

Are Derby going to get the playoffs or chance of?

He has gone there for these reasons. Bigger say on transfers, promises of spending money and long term contract

 who knows what we happens in the playoffs and I wouldn't ever backed against this set of players. 

The players have been united all season, its totally irrelevant to the point that Eustace was justifiably irritated by the transfer windows both in January and the summer. The main issue was the lack of budget considering the sales but this was compounded seemingly by the jumbled nature and often the fact that the head coach is getting enough of a say regarding the players he will then be judged on.

And has Kargbo "put all of the doubters in the bin?" Again, most people (even you didnt seem too impressed) raised a question mark over signing a player who had struggled to make an impact above Serie C. We all hoped he would be a hidden gem but its too early to say either way. His cameo yesterday was very promising but hes played about 40 minutes of league football so far, plus an hour in a cup game. 

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The players have been united all season, its totally irrelevant to the point that Eustace was justifiably irritated by the transfer windows both in January and the summer. The main issue was the lack of budget considering the sales but this was compounded seemingly by the jumbled nature and often the fact that the head coach is getting enough of a say regarding the players he will then be judged on.

Yet we are 5th in the league and most signings have an positive impact on our season. 

Eustace wanted to spend money that we received in. Fair enough but we didn't. He knew what his role was and I would asked you for your opinion on what unleaded said on Eustace within recruitment side of the club

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

And has Kargbo "put all of the doubters in the bin?" Again, most people (even you didnt seem too impressed) raised a question mark over signing a player who had struggled to make an impact above Serie C. We all hoped he would be a hidden gem but its too early to say either way. His cameo yesterday was very promising but hes played about 40 minutes of league football so far, plus an hour in a cup game. 

 I was open minded about the signing to be honest and not over analyse him based on nothing. 

I've seen enough of him so far, to see his quality and that he is positive impact on games whether its Wolves or QPR or yesterday. 

[roversfan99]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yet we are 5th in the league and most signings have an positive impact on our season. 

Eustace wanted to spend money that we received in. Fair enough but we didn't. He knew what his role was and I would asked you for your opinion on what unleaded said on Eustace within recruitment side of the club

 I was open minded about the signing to be honest and not over analyse him based on nothing. 

I've seen enough of him so far, to see his quality and that he is positive impact on games whether its Wolves or QPR or yesterday. 

Yet when a player has been here for half a season or even a season and is struggling and people are saying he isnt up to it, you rubbish them and say he will come good. Kargbo looked promising yesterday but its very early days to put any doubters (which were more at the lack of money spent and the level Kargbo individually had played and done well at, no one had heard of the player himself) "in the bin."

You are already on the turn though against Eustace and justifying the running of the club. Nornal service has been resumed.

Recruitment has been very short term focused and mixed but the main reason is the shocking lack of reinvestment.

[Eddie]

9 hours ago, philipl said:

I think we can all draw our own reasoning for Eustace's departure (hint, it is the same as for JDT's departure) but there is one strikingly obvious conclusion.

John Eustace was absolutely convinced he could not get Rovers promoted to the Premier League and he rated his chances of  guiding us successfully through the play-offs (if we ever got there) were vanishingly slim.

Even a sporting chance assessment on his part of taking us to the Premier League would have outweighed the discomfort of working with cretins and the "allure" of managing inferior players in the relegation zone. 

 

Whoever replaces him has got to have a different assessment of our prospects and use the contract negotiations to neutralise the loons- at least between now and expiry of contracts on 30 June.

There is one alternative. 

He thought he could leverage serious interest from another club and felt that it was only shot at getting at least some of the things he wanted. A new contract? Some extensions for existing players? Perhaps more influence over transfer and budgets? 

Maybe he overplayed his hand and thought that the club wouldn't want him to walk away while they were sitting 5/6th in the table. 

If this is the case, then he failed to truly appreciate just how insane most of the decision-making is here. 

 

[booth]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

And has Kargbo "put all of the doubters in the bin?" Again, most people (even you didnt seem too impressed) raised a question mark over signing a player who had struggled to make an impact above Serie C. We all hoped he would be a hidden gem but its too early to say either way. His cameo yesterday was very promising but hes played about 40 minutes of league football so far, plus an hour in a cup game. 

I see Chaddy has pressed his insufferability button.

It's the price we have to pay for a bit of success sadly. He has to tell everyone he was right and they are wrong. Ignoring the fact that he's been wrong since Venkys arrived.

[Andy]

3 hours ago, 1874 said:

Still 35yrs ago and only 2 league titles and 1 fa cup

So, our FA Cup trophy cabinet alone is fuller than their entire trophy room?

Their city has a larger population than our town, I'll give them that one.

Literally everything else about Rovers is significantly larger than Derby.

[Upside Down]

21 minutes ago, booth said:

I see Chaddy has pressed his insufferability button.

It's the price we have to pay for a bit of success sadly. He has to tell everyone he was right and they are wrong. Ignoring the fact that he's been wrong since Venkys arrived.

You'd have to pay attention to anything he says to know that.

[chaddyrovers]

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Yet when a player has been here for half a season or even a season and is struggling and people are saying he isnt up to it, you rubbish them and say he will come good. Kargbo looked promising yesterday but its very early days to put any doubters (which were more at the lack of money spent and the level Kargbo individually had played and done well at, no one had heard of the player himself) "in the bin."

You are already on the turn though against Eustace and justifying the running of the club. Nornal service has been resumed.

Recruitment has been very short term focused and mixed but the main reason is the shocking lack of reinvestment.

You had doubts before we signed him, so has not impress you against Wolves or yesterday? and has he not shown why we signed him 

Turn on Eustace? utter bizarre comment yet again trying to push. 

He has gone, thanks for the job he did, and wish him well for future, then we moved on and back the players and interim head coach until we appoint a new head coach

So how of the players out of contract who would you like to give new contracts to? 

[Bbrovers2288]

Think it’s more the anger and the uncertainty of the future that is causing so much unrest rather than pining over Eustace. He gave us some hope that despite everything we were going in the right direction, now it seems as crazy and chaotic as ever 

[47er]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Eustace wanted to spend money that we received in.

What? I assume you've forgotten about the Raya, Wharton Szmodics transfer money? Doesn't count eh?

[M_B]

6 hours ago, roverblue said:

Reading between the lines it seems that Eustace had developed a toxic relationship with the board/owners enough for him to bail out at the earliest opportunity. No mean feat given the position the team is in and with only 15 or so games left to do.

Presumably this is due to continual broken promises on investment in the squad and longer term thinking on players contracts/futures. This may have led to some fairly heated discussions and things get said that can't be then forgotten.

It also looks like Eustace was pretty non-committed to Rovers in general based on comments about him showing interest in other jobs since the summer (Preston was even mentioned by LET) and living in a hotel all this time. So its a fair assumption to suggest he never saw much of a future here anyway regardless of the outcome of the above.

Finally it seems from the socials of players/coaches that his relationship with the team and players/coaches was first class so he has done a good job of hiding his concerns from them and being professional in pushing the team forward.

As you say the squad is in a better place now than it has been all season with the additions (ignoring the short term approach to them all) so for him to leave at this point you have to question him as much as the club.

Got to be honest, it's hard for me to feel sorry for the bloke when it turns out he was hawking himself around to anyone that would listen.

He may or may not have had promises broken. My view is that he probably got the positions covered that he wanted, but with different players than he'd hoped for.

 

[Blue blood]

Just now, M_B said:

Got to be honest, it's hard for me to feel sorry for the bloke when it turns out he was hawking himself around to anyone that would listen.

He may or may not have had promises broken. My view is that he probably got the positions covered that he wanted, but with different players than he'd hoped for.

 

Even if that's the case it's a huge issue. In terms of quality and longevity I think Eustace could well and truly take umbridge.  Probably with the timing of the transfers too. 

To go to Derby is a big risk. He must have really wanted out to take it. The big and worrying question is why was he so desperate for out? And I'm certain the answer doesn't reflect well on the club. 

[roversfan99]

33 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

You had doubts before we signed him, so has not impress you against Wolves or yesterday? and has he not shown why we signed him 

Turn on Eustace? utter bizarre comment yet again trying to push. 

He has gone, thanks for the job he did, and wish him well for future, then we moved on and back the players and interim head coach until we appoint a new head coach

So how of the players out of contract who would you like to give new contracts to? 

He hasnt justified us signing him or proven to be a good signing. And again, it wasnt questions of him as a player as id never heard of him. It was about the nature of our business.

I have liked what I have seen from his very limited game time so far though. 

 

[Gav]

35 minutes ago, M_B said:

Got to be honest, it's hard for me to feel sorry for the bloke when it turns out he was hawking himself around to anyone that would listen.

He may or may not have had promises broken. My view is that he probably got the positions covered that he wanted, but with different players than he'd hoped for.

 

He didn’t ‘hawk himself around’, that is social media, fabricated bullshit with respect. 

[Eddie]

5 minutes ago, Gav said:

He didn’t ‘hawk himself around’, that is social media, fabricated bullshit with respect. 

You don't know that.

No one really knows if it is true or false, but there appears to be enough smoke to at least consider the possibility that he applied - or had interest expressed through back channels - for multiple jobs. 

 

[onlyonejackwalker]

56 minutes ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

Think it’s more the anger and the uncertainty of the future that is causing so much unrest rather than pining over Eustace. He gave us some hope that despite everything we were going in the right direction, now it seems as crazy and chaotic as ever 

It didn't look chaotic on the pitch yesterday. That's what matters. 

Whilst many are sad to see him go, I'm.not one of them. Regardless, I don't think anyone is pining for him. 

12 minutes ago, Gav said:

He didn’t ‘hawk himself around’, that is social media, fabricated bullshit with respect. 

I love the new you. Remarkably tolerant. He was hiding in an executive box savouring Derby's atmosphere whilst gainfully employed at the Rovers. 

To state Derby afford him a better opportunity and footballing vision for the future is total nonsense.

Anyway I promised 47er I would never mention the real reason he left ever again. Anyone lend me a fiver?