Eustace…he gone…*official*

[Exiled_Rover]

46 minutes ago, RTM08 said:

He could have said "I was aware of an approach on Friday, but I wanted to finish preparing for the Wolves game and will speak to the board about it afterwards", or probably another 50 different things that kept his stock with the fans.

Instead, he lied to their face and it's hard to argue with the crowd calling him a snake, regardless of the off field issues.

Exactly. 

Or, if you're going to lie, tell the SAME lie today to keep your story straight!

Edited 2 hours ago by Exiled_Rover

[booth]

The lasting thought of Eustace will be "what an idiot." In his Derby press conference he looks and sounds like an idiot, and I believe in his own head he's thinking what have I done? It's a decision made out of emotion rather than any real thought.

It's completely understandable he wants to get Waggott and Suhail out of his life. Notably not Venkys as he said he's not had any communication with them, so that proves how toxic the pair of them are and they need removing asap. It also proves that Venkys don't give a monkeys about the club one bit as long as they don't need to spend on it. Clearly W&S are in sole charge.

But still "what an idiot." I know you wanted to work for an owner that cares about their club but to go to Derby of all clubs, in 22nd place, fighting relegation with a very poor squad. Come Summer he'd have had more choice of a new club and he may well have got BRFC in the play offs. Something so many have failed to do with bigger budgets.

What an idiot.

[MarkBRFC]

3 minutes ago, booth said:

The lasting thought of Eustace will be "what an idiot." In his Derby press conference he looks and sounds like an idiot, and I believe in his own head he's thinking what have I done? It's a decision made out of emotion rather than any real thought.

It's completely understandable he wants to get Waggott and Suhail out of his life. Notably not Venkys as he said he's not had any communication with them, so that proves how toxic the pair of them are and they need removing asap. It also proves that Venkys don't give a monkeys about the club one bit as long as they don't need to spend on it. Clearly W&S are in sole charge.

But still "what an idiot." I know you wanted to work for an owner that cares about their club but to go to Derby of all clubs, in 22nd place, fighting relegation with a very poor squad. Come Summer he'd have had more choice of a new club and he may well have got BRFC in the play offs. Something so many have failed to do with bigger budgets.

What an idiot.

On the flipside, we could end up finishing 10th, and Derby could end up finishing 20th.

Both on a level playing field in the summer, and I think I know who will back there manager more out of us and them.

 

[Eddie]

36 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Sorry got to give that nasty little personal attack on him the thumbs down.

I know. It's unfair to have a personal attack on Eustace.

The owners. The leadership. (some) Players. (some) Former managers.

But not Eustace. 

[Eddie]

36 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

No departing manager is ever going to say that in public about his former Club.

Ever.

He's been careful to leak his reasons for leaving though. Seemingly to the LT.

Good God. He's either got some horrible evidence on you or you've fallen in love. 

[TommyRovers]

He's not helped himself here I don't think.

I don't want to say "Good riddance" but I am disappointed in him and I think long term his legacy here will be a sour one. I think it is a decision he will come to regret, particularly if we end up in the playoffs and dare I say promoted.

Feel for anyone working under Venkys and the chuckle brothers and he's not the first to be frustrated by it (Nor the last I expect) but his behaviour has been poor. There is no question there. Wish him the best at Derby (I don't) and bring on the 8th March!

[BigHoz]

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, TommyRovers said:

He's not helped himself here I don't think.

I don't want to say "Good riddance" but I am disappointed in him and I think long term his legacy here will be a sour one. I think it is a decision he will come to regret, particularly if we end up in the playoffs and dare I say promoted.

Feel for anyone working under Venkys and the chuckle brothers and he's not the first to be frustrated by it (Nor the last I expect) but his behaviour has been poor. There is no question there. Wish him the best at Derby (I don't) and bring on the 8th March!

The acid test of whether he was right, regardless of what he did or didnt say, is where both Clubs are in 3-5 years time.

[TommyRovers]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

The acid test of whether he was right, regardless of what he did or didnt say, is where both Clubs are in 3-5 years time.

Something tells me he won't be at Derby in 3 years time.

[RevidgeBlue]

Just now, TommyRovers said:

Something tells me he won't be at Derby in 3 years time.

Well, or whether he's at any Club in a significantly better position than us.

It's a career to him, he's not a fan.

[Exiled_Rover]

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Well, or whether he's at any Club in a significantly better position than us.

It's a career to him, he's not a fan.

No, but he's in a position of authority - he has to carry himself with a certain integrity.

Just look at Mourinho - a far better manager, but everyone knows he's a clown so he's drifted down the leagues.

[Eddie]

6 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

No, but he's in a position of authority - he has to carry himself with a certain integrity.

Just look at Mourinho - a far better manager, but everyone knows he's a clown so he's drifted down the leagues.

That's the first and last Mourinho to Eustace comparison. 

Mourinho's big issue is that he runs clubs in a way that makes it hard to be part of them long-term. Some coaches are great in short bursts and he is one of them. After 2/3 years it is hard to deal with the intensity and the circus that comes along with it. As for why he's in Turkey? Well, that's more because he's run out of places to go.

He's not going to go to the Championship. Nor would he manage any team in France other than PSG, any team in Spain other than Barcelona or Real Madrid, etc.

[RevidgeBlue]

11 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

No, but he's in a position of authority - he has to carry himself with a certain integrity.

This is crying over spilt milk but I dont know why anyone thinks he hasnt.

1) The Club agreed to him having a get out clause.

2) He exercised it but only after giving the Club a chance to rectify matters which they completely threw back in his face.

Basically there's no difference between him and JDT and no-one seemed to blame him for leaving. Both tried to get the Club to be more ambitious, only difference being there was a bit more of a gap between JDT leaving and taking the Sweden job although Im sure he had rightly got pissed off and had it lined up in advance.

Edited 1 hour ago by RevidgeBlue

[LeftWinger]

24 minutes ago, BigHoz said:

After we beat Stoke with Johnson/Lowe in charge we were 7 points above the drop zone with a game in hand. Rotherham were virtually down.

Eustace dragged us into a relegation battle.

[Eddie]

3 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Basically there's no difference between him and JDT and no-one seemed to blame him for leaving. Both tried to get the Club to be more ambitious, only difference being there was a bit more of a gap between JDT leaving and taking the Sweden job although Im sure he had rightly got pissed off and had it lined up in advance.

Huge differences.

Both seemingly tried to resign the summer before leaving, but JDT made his frustrations patently and publicly obvious. This included public criticism of Waggott and openly mocking our leadership. I think he could have handled the situation better and he did fundamentally quit on us, but he at least made sure all of his feelings were known.

Eustace was clearly frustrated, but you only knew that if you were really paying attention. He got on with his job, but the results over the last couple of months show that he may also have mentally checked out. 

JDT also left us for a job that is, in many ways, better. There's a bit of a debate to be had on club versus national management, but I think most would at least agree that it's understandable as to why someone would leave a midtable Championship club to manage Sweden (and midtable is being generous to our situation when he left).

JDT also got to experience a level of betrayal and mismanagement that Eustace mostly avoided. JDT had the O'Brien fiasco that potentially cost us promotion the season before and then the Wharton sale followed by even more 'admin errors'. JDT could only have dreamt of the level of competence seen under Eustace from a transfer/leadership perspective. 

Eustace was almost certainly lied to, but he at least wasn't made to look like a complete fool in the process. 

Where he really differs from JDT was the fact that he was not really critical of anything - other than vague hints at really needing more signings - and he actually preached togetherness whilst (reportedly) looking for other jobs. 

Now, whilst his latest comments are somewhat complimentary, his initial Derby interview contains several massive passive aggressive digs at the club. He saw this club as a stepping stone and he used it - just probably not in the way in which he originally intended. 

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

 

[sharpysharps86]

22 minutes ago, Eddie said:

He saw this club as a stepping stone and he used it

Unless you're dining at the absolute top table in football management, most head coaches / managers do use clubs as stepping stones to go onto something bigger and better. Same as with players really. That's just the way it goes in football.

Having said that, he's taking a risk by potentially making a big backwards step by dropping down to league one if Derby go down, which I think they may well do given their lack of goals.

Edited 1 hour ago by sharpysharps86

[Forever Blue]

54 minutes ago, BigHoz said:

Well said that man. Eustace restored our pride on the pitch. 

[NeilInBristol]

1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said:

On the flipside, we could end up finishing 10th, and Derby could end up finishing 20th.

Both on a level playing field in the summer, and I think I know who will back there manager more out of us and them.

 

This is it.

We have to remember this guy came AFTER a shocking Jan window. (We lost Wharton and spent nothing)

Saw the club faff all summer (we sell Sammie..)

Stayed

Saw another late and pathetic Jan window and thought..  yes next summer will be exactly as above but without a Wharton sale or a Sammie sale..

 

I agree. There is a strong chance we end up much worse than 5th and we saw what he did for us to keep us in the league he could do the same for Derby 

[RevidgeBlue]

17 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Huge differences.

Both seemingly tried to resign the summer before leaving, but JDT made his frustrations patently and publicly obvious. This included public criticism of Waggott and openly mocking our leadership. I think he could have handled the situation better and he did fundamentally quit on us, but he at least made sure all of his feelings were known.

Eustace was clearly frustrated, but you only knew that if you were really paying attention. He got on with his job, but the results over the last couple of months show that he may also have mentally checked out. 

That's your argument completely destroyed in a couple of paragraphs. I dont blame either for wanting to leave but I think there's a strong argument that JE behaved far more profesionally than JDT.

He may have had poor results towards the end but we werent getting beaten 2's and 3's every week with tactics that clearly werent working.

[superniko]

Yeah I have to agree, big difference between JDT and Eustace situations.

JDT was public about the mess of the place and pointed the finger where nobody else dared. Eustace sang the merry dance and did it all behind our (and the players) backs.

Also, whilst January was a shit window considering what we've recouped (£) in the last 2 years, it's worth noting JDT had the O'Brien fiasco, the Brierly fiasco and the Maguire fiasco - having 3 players in holding a scarf up but the plug to be pulled - a complete and utter shambles under the best manager we had since Venkys arrived.

Edited 1 hour ago by superniko

[Hasta]

Half the squad gone in the summer. A lot of the rest out of contract next summer. Most of the signings this January only till May. Clearly no plan how they are going to finance recruiting a new squad as we are living almost month to month.

That's not what he was expecting, and he thinks going to Derby is a better option for him over the next couple of years than staying at Rovers. 

Personality-wise he is not as volatile as JDT, and is probably the more 'professional' approach of the two so he's not going to shoot his mouth off.

I've yet to see many (any) quotes which annoy me (although I'm at work so haven't followed all interviews). I'm just not sure what people expect.

 

Edited 59 minutes ago by Hasta

[Gav]

A journalist asked Eustace today:

"Have you ever had a close relationship with any of the owners of the clubs you managed"

Eustace laughed, broke character and said "No"

Look no further than that for the answer as to why he left Ewood.

VENKYS OUT – NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, sharpysharps86 said:

Unless you're dining at the absolute top table in football management, most head coaches / managers do use clubs as stepping stones to go onto something bigger and better. Same as with players really. That's just the way it goes in football.

Having said that, he's taking a risk by potentially making a big backwards step by dropping down to league one if Derby go down, which I think they may well do given their lack of goals.

What people are completely losing sight of in their haste to berate Eustace, like a jilted lover, is how bad it must REALLY be behind the scenes at Ewood to pass up a chance of promotion, albeit a slim one, in favour of joining a Club in 22nd.

I suspect we wont find out just how bad until the end of next season. Unless the miracle happens of course.

 

[RevidgeBlue]

8 minutes ago, superniko said:

Yeah I have to agree, big difference between JDT and Eustace situations.

JDT was public about the mess of the place and pointed the finger where nobody else dared. Eustace sang the merry dance and did it all behind our (and the players) backs.

Also, whilst January was a shit window considering what we've recouped (£) in the last 2 years, it's worth noting JDT had the O'Brien fiasco, the Brierly fiasco and the Maguire fiasco - having 3 players in holding a scarf up but the plug to be pulled - a complete and utter shambles under the best manager we had since Venkys arrived.

Whilst I liked our last manager but one a lot, blimey.

The cult of JDT is still going strong!

[BankEnd Rover]

Disappointed in Eustace as a whole but certainly don't agree with the hate towards him. X is brimmed with ridiculous comments like "snake" etc etc.

Like most have said, he's edging his bets that he will keep Derby up and we won't go up ...which let be honest we won't.

Next summer we will have x amount of players leaving, fuck all to spend and no season tickets sold....Derby will have the opposite. Our club is a mess, he wanted out asap! 

Edited 41 minutes ago by BankEnd Rover