Eustace…he gone…*official*

[47er]

1 minute ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Anyway I promised 47er I would never mention the real reason he left ever again.

but you can't help it!!

[onlyonejackwalker]

8 minutes ago, 47er said:

but you can't help it!!

Come on 47er, we both know you enjoyed Derby getting bashed 4-0. 

Derby were shocking and there is clearly no footballing reason for going there.

 

 

[chaddyrovers]

53 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He hasnt justified us signing him or proven to be a good signing. And again, it wasnt questions of him as a player as id never heard of him. It was about the nature of our business.

I have liked what I have seen from his very limited game time so far though. 

 

And so far you can see why they wanted to sign him instead of others. 

He's had a good start to his Rovers career

[M_B]

39 minutes ago, Gav said:

He didn’t ‘hawk himself around’, that is social media, fabricated bullshit with respect. 

 

43 minutes ago, Gav said:

He didn’t ‘hawk himself around’, that is social media, fabricated bullshit with respect. 

Ah well, either way he hawked himself to Derby, that isn't bullshit is it?

If they go down by 3 points, I hope he feels they're the ones we took off them.

[47er]

23 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Come on 47er, we both know you enjoyed Derby getting bashed 4-0. 

Derby were shocking and there is clearly no footballing reason for going there.

 

 

I didn't mind it or care one way or the other. But no doubt that Derby's immediate prospects are very poor.

I assume Eustace see longer-term prospects for them which he certainly didn't see for us.

We really are an oddity, 5th in the championship but in deep shit all the same.

Derby and Rovers are complete opposites.

[Blue blood]

1 hour ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Come on 47er, we both know you enjoyed Derby getting bashed 4-0. 

Derby were shocking and there is clearly no footballing reason for going there.

 

 

I think there are football reasons for going there - mainly because we are not a normal club. I appreciate it's unprecedented and historically- even the last 15 years much less before - we seem a more successful club than them. And yet, in terms of structure and long term vision, it seems Derby seem a better bet to him. Blimey even if money is a factor (my take is it will be, but only one of a number) the fact that Derby can offer a better wage and assurances than we can is an appalling situation. 

[islander200]

1 minute ago, Blue blood said:

I think there are football reasons for going there - mainly because we are not a normal club. I appreciate it's unprecedented and historically- even the last 15 years much less before - we seem a more successful club than them. And yet, in terms of structure and long term vision, it seems Derby seem a better bet to him. Blimey even if money is a factor (my take is it will be, but only one of a number) the fact that Derby can offer a better wage and assurances than we can is an appalling situation. 

I understand the reasoning why he was looking for something new but the timing of it and who he has gone to ,it's just a stupid decision imo.

He must have had zero confidence he could get this group of players into the top 6 and a confidence he could keep a very poor looking Derby team up.

He should have seen the season out he would have had offers from better placed clubs.Christ like Boro now is probably going to be available. When Derby  go down it won't be his fault but the pressure will be on to start next season well or the Derby fans will be on his back 

[Andy]

1 hour ago, Gav said:

He didn’t ‘hawk himself around’, that is social media, fabricated bullshit with respect. 

He didn't.

But his agent did.

[aletheia]

When Derby go down there will be several here who will gloat like kids in the playground. Won’t change the shit show that we have here.

[onlyonejackwalker]

7 hours ago, islander200 said:

I understand the reasoning why he was looking for something new but the timing of it and who he has gone to ,it's just a stupid decision imo.

He must have had zero confidence he could get this group of players into the top 6 and a confidence he could keep a very poor looking Derby team up.

He should have seen the season out he would have had offers from better placed clubs.Christ like Boro now is probably going to be available. When Derby  go down it won't be his fault but the pressure will be on to start next season well or the Derby fans will be on his back 

Of course it will be his fault if they go down. They have rarely lost by more than the odd goal all.year and were performing steadily until the recent bad run. He will be credited should they stay up. He will be criticised if they go down. They've gambled on him keeping them up.

7 hours ago, Andy said:

He didn't.

But his agent did.

Quite.

6 hours ago, aletheia said:

When Derby go down there will be several here who will gloat like kids in the playground. Won’t change the shit show that we have here.

A bit extreme, but i for one will chuckle with every dropped point.

I can't believe how much some of you are missing him. He's not missing you. Best get over it. Good job our players dont give a flying .....

Shit show we have here compared to Derby? Recently relegated, financial armeggeddon, 21 point deductions, accounting irregularities, current relegation fodder, manager sacked, lost 7 on the bounce....yeah there's no comparison.

Eustace had a vested interest in spinning his departure away from the reality. Choose to believe that with pleasure. Or try and think of another 5000 reasons a week he left which my mate 47er has banned me from mentioning.

 

[Mattyblue]

Yes we get it, all this is purely down to The Snake wanting a few extra grand.

But there’s nothing else underlying in your view to two managers walking (and repeatedly trying to orchestrate a move a long time before) in 12 months?

[Forever Blue]

8 hours ago, islander200 said:

I understand the reasoning why he was looking for something new but the timing of it and who he has gone to ,it's just a stupid decision imo.

He must have had zero confidence he could get this group of players into the top 6 and a confidence he could keep a very poor looking Derby team up.

He should have seen the season out he would have had offers from better placed clubs.Christ like Boro now is probably going to be available. When Derby  go down it won't be his fault but the pressure will be on to start next season well or the Derby fans will be on his back 

He asked for a new contract and assurances on funding. They refused both. So he left. If you are refused a new contract after taking the team from the bottom 6 to the top 6 in less than a year then you know you aren’t wanted. This is the part that is being conveniently ignored. 

[islander200]

19 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

He asked for a new contract and assurances on funding. They refused both. So he left. If you are refused a new contract after taking the team from the bottom 6 to the top 6 in less than a year then you know you aren’t wanted. This is the part that is being conveniently ignored. 

He was throwing his hat into the ring for the Coventry City job in early November.

We stayed up last season so job done but I'm sorry I wouldn't have been rushing to give him a new contract In early November , when he had only been doing the job a short while and only really 2/3 months of solid form 

[Forever Blue]

25 minutes ago, islander200 said:

He was throwing his hat into the ring for the Coventry City job in early November.

We stayed up last season so job done but I'm sorry I wouldn't have been rushing to give him a new contract In early November , when he had only been doing the job a short while and only really 2/3 months of solid form 

He was throwing his hat into the ring at other clubs because he’d already worked out the people running the club he was at were clowns. 
 

 

[islander200]

4 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

He was throwing his hat into the ring at other clubs because he’d already worked out the people running the club he was at were clowns. 
 

 

Well then he wouldn't have signed a new contract if offered then would he?

I agree we have clowns running the club but surely if Eustace felt the same then he wouldn't have wanted to tie himself to such Clowns for a longer term than his current contract?Or would he have been OK working for them with an extra few quid in his pocket?

[Forever Blue]

5 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Well then he wouldn't have signed a new contract if offered then would he?

I agree we have clowns running the club but surely if Eustace felt the same then he wouldn't have wanted to tie himself to such Clowns for a longer term than his current contract?Or would he have been OK working for them with an extra few quid in his pocket?

He asked for assurances on budget from the clowns. It wasn’t forthcoming. He left. 
 

Rovers is a good job, and I’m sure the next manager will be fed the same promises, and I’m sure the club will then make the job impossible. 
 

Anyone blaming the manager hasn’t been paying attention these last 15 years, especially the last 2. 

[islander200]

9 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

He asked for assurances on budget from the clowns. It wasn’t forthcoming. He left. 
 

Rovers is a good job, and I’m sure the next manager will be fed the same promises, and I’m sure the club will then make the job impossible. 
 

Anyone blaming the manager hasn’t been paying attention these last 15 years, especially the last 2. 

I'm not blaming the manager.

But I wouldn't have been giving new deals out as early as November on the back of a few months solid form. 

The January window wasn't opened for 2 months when he was reportedly already asking for the Coventry job. 

John Eustace did good for the club but the club also gave him the opportunity to get back into work at this level, jobs had come available and he didn't get them.

[Forever Blue]

10 minutes ago, islander200 said:

I'm not blaming the manager.

But I wouldn't have been giving new deals out as early as November on the back of a few months solid form. 

The January window wasn't opened for 2 months when he was reportedly already asking for the Coventry job. 

John Eustace did good for the club but the club also gave him the opportunity to get back into work at this level, jobs had come available and he didn't get them.

You blamed him for leaving when he didn’t, hence the discussion. 

[Forever Blue]

Just now, Forever Blue said:

You blamed him for leaving when he didn’t, hence the discussion. 

*When he did* I meant…the edit button doesn’t work

[islander200]

1 minute ago, Forever Blue said:

You blamed him for leaving when he didn’t, hence the discussion. 

I blamed him for leaving when he didn't?

I think he could have stayed until the end of the season.He would have had better job offers and I think he let the players and the fans down.

What he said after the wolves game about speaking with the owners,hoping for a new contract...I think that was waffle he had already agreed to go to derby.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

He wanted out after the knock backs in Summer regarding spending money. So got his agent to fly a few kites and throw his hat in the ring. Anything else is just spin. 

[Eddie]

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Yes we get it, all this is purely down to The Snake wanting a few extra grand.

But there’s nothing else underlying in your view to two managers walking (and repeatedly trying to orchestrate a move a long time before) in 12 months?

This is the bit that I don't really understand.

I don't want to speak on behalf of 'onlyonejackwalker' and we probably don't agree on everything, but I'm growing tired of some of the reaction that the Eustace criticism gets.

It is possible to be critical of Eustace AND of our owners AND of Waggott. It is possible to think that Eustace behaved poorly whilst also acknowledging that it is a smaller issue compared to bigger problems that we face.

But it is still possible to be annoyed and disappointed by all of that.

To be honest, I have too much pride in this club to allow the owners and Waggott to lower my standards so much that I will find Eustace's behaviour acceptable. We deserve better on all fronts, but this included on managerial behaviour.

Many of you treat this as if it is binary. It simply isn't. 

[Leonard Venkhater]

12 hours ago, 47er said:

I didn't mind it or care one way or the other. But no doubt that Derby's immediate prospects are very poor.

I assume Eustace see longer-term prospects for them which he certainly didn't see for us.

We really are an oddity, 5th in the championship but in deep shit all the same.

Derby and Rovers are complete opposites.

Yeah. "5th in the Championship, but in deep shit all the same.."

This nails it for me and finally explains my combined joy and unease after the WBA game. (My wife doesn't understand it /me!!!)

[Mattyblue]

28 minutes ago, Eddie said:

This is the bit that I don't really understand.

I don't want to speak on behalf of 'onlyonejackwalker' and we probably don't agree on everything, but I'm growing tired of some of the reaction that the Eustace criticism gets.

It is possible to be critical of Eustace AND of our owners AND of Waggott. It is possible to think that Eustace behaved poorly whilst also acknowledging that it is a smaller issue compared to bigger problems that we face.

But it is still possible to be annoyed and disappointed by all of that.

To be honest, I have too much pride in this club to allow the owners and Waggott to lower my standards so much that I will find Eustace's behaviour acceptable. We deserve better on all fronts, but this included on managerial behaviour.

Many of you treat this as if it is binary. It simply isn't. 

What don’t you understand? I said is it ‘purely’ down to JE being a greedy snake.

I.e. of course it isn’t, there’s nuance to what happened.

[Eddie]

13 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

What don’t you understand? I said is it ‘purely’ down to JE being a greedy snake.

I.e. of course it isn’t, there’s nuance to what happened.

I guess the thing I don't truly understand is why almost every criticism of Eustace and how he behaved and handled this situation is met with:

'But Waggott...but the owners.'

It's hard to find anyone on here who will defend either of those parties, so it isn't really a logical response to the criticism of our former manager.