Eustace…he gone…*official*

[Silas]

15 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

Eustace has been lied to repeatedly and had the piss taken out of him by the club

Whilst I don't disagree with all in your post, I am getting sick of the Eustace sob story now.

He was here 12 months, earned a nice wedge, enhanced his reputation, and is off to a decent new gig.

Whereas there's another group that has also been repeatedly lied to and had the piss taken out of them for a decade and a half now.

Way more angry about that than poor John's tiny fleeting bump in his professional football career. 

[neophox]

19 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

He doesn't owe the club anything, the club owes him, a lot.

Ask yourself one question, why would a manager swap a promotion challenge for a relegation battle with a team in the same division?

Eustace has been lied to repeatedly and had the piss taken out of him by the club. He's done what any self respecting individual would do and got out of the place at the first opportunity.

Well you could question if the turnaround of form last 12 games was when WBA Preston and Coventry were sniffing around Eustace...or Eustace or his agent sniffing around them...was the same with JDT ..the form dunked rapidly when he really wanted out.

[47er]

1 minute ago, Silas said:

Whilst I don't disagree with all in your post, I am getting sick of the Eustace sob story now.

He was here 12 months, earned a nice wedge, enhanced his reputation, and is off to a decent new gig.

Whereas there's another group that has also been repeatedly lied to and had the piss taken out of them for a decade and a half now.

Way more angry about that than poor John's tiny fleeting bump in his professional football career. 

The 2 are directly linked.

[RTM08]

I mean there are multiple things that can be true at once.

The board are definitely at fault for fostering a situation where the manager is courting other clubs. We don't know what was agreed and whilst we as fans agree the window wasn't good enough it's impossible to know what was discussed prior.

JE is allowed to move to another club if he so wishes, but equally the way it's been done has been disrespectful to the fans and to the players. 

Some people talking about taking our players - that's assuming they even stay up. Even under JE we were atrocious for a lot of last season and it was only in the last 3 or 4 games including some against teams playing for nothing that we scraped over the line. 

I'll thank him for his hard work, but like he has no loyalty to us, I have no real loyalty to him either. I wanted him gone after last season, he won me around with some hard work this season, but I won't shed any tears if he drops to League One with Derby.

[M_B]

8 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Post it again MB.

 

Sorry, bloody phone

[RTM08]

1 minute ago, neophox said:

Well you could question if the turnaround of form last 12 games was when WBA Preston and Coventry were sniffing around Eustace...or Eustace or his agent sniffing around them...was the same with JDT ..the form dunked rapidly when he really wanted out.

Eh, I think that has far more to do with fixture congestion, heavy injuries and the board never signing players until deadline day if I'm honest, though the mentality of the coach doesn't help of course.

[Upside Down]

4 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Do you not think he has let the players down?

We all get the major issue is the owners and the people running the club but if true that Eustace has been courting himself to other clubs for months then that's bullshit, and he has shit on both the fans and players.

Jdt was critical throughout, up to a few days ago Eustace is spouting the blackburn family line and going on about togetherness?Standard manager speak some may say but not if you have your heart set on leaving 

Like for example when he was speaking with Sanderson over a move here did he mention that he was itching for a move away?

 

Sanderson came right at the beginning of the window. There was still a month where the club could have invested in the squad and taken his request for quality additions seriously.

They didn't do anything of the sort, he's been hung out to dry and has left because he doesn't want to waste his time with lying scum. Derby was just the first opportunity that came along.

JDT was in a totally different place, he was happy to walk away in the summer for nothing but was held to his contract. Don't forget he was also linked to a lot of other jobs during his tenure. He was just far more blunt and outspoken publicly.

Nobody comes here for the long term. This club is just a stop gap until a job at a real club becomes available. Anyone who believes otherwise is not paying attention.

[neophox]

1 minute ago, RTM08 said:

I mean there are multiple things that can be true at once.

The board are definitely at fault for fostering a situation where the manager is courting other clubs. We don't know what was agreed and whilst we as fans agree the window wasn't good enough it's impossible to know what was discussed prior.

JE is allowed to move to another club if he so wishes, but equally the way it's been done has been disrespectful to the fans and to the players. 

Some people talking about taking our players - that's assuming they even stay up. Even under JE we were atrocious for a lot of last season and it was only in the last 3 or 4 games including some against teams playing for nothing that we scraped over the line. 

I'll thank him for his hard work, but like he has no loyalty to us, I have no real loyalty to him either. I wanted him gone after last season, he won me around with some hard work this season, but I won't shed any tears if he drops to League One with Derby.

Alot of us on the messageboard called him Useless... Don't know if it was a blessing staying up with this lot of owners and board.

[Upside Down]

4 minutes ago, Silas said:

Whilst I don't disagree with all in your post, I am getting sick of the Eustace sob story now.

He was here 12 months, earned a nice wedge, enhanced his reputation, and is off to a decent new gig.

Whereas there's another group that has also been repeatedly lied to and had the piss taken out of them for a decade and a half now.

Way more angry about that than poor John's tiny fleeting bump in his professional football career. 

The other group should take a leaf out of John and Jon's books and do something about the situation.

Either walk away or take some form of action.

I'm sick of hearing about the poor suffering fans when they don't do a single thing about what's happening. Not even a chant or anything. It's pathetic really.

[Dolly blue]

12 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Anybody in pro football who is unaware of the situation at Rovers must have been living on the dark side of the moon.

…along with a good number of Rovers fans who cant see any problem, in fact, are even grateful to the regime …

[islander200]

2 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

Sanderson came right at the beginning of the window. There was still a month where the club could have invested in the squad and taken his request for quality additions seriously.

They didn't do anything of the sort, he's been hung out to dry and has left because he doesn't want to waste his time with lying scum. Derby was just the first opportunity that came along.

JDT was in a totally different place, he was happy to walk away in the summer for nothing but was held to his contract. Don't forget he was also linked to a lot of other jobs during his tenure. He was just far more blunt and outspoken publicly.

Nobody comes here for the long term. This club is just a stop gap until a job at a real club becomes available. Anyone who believes otherwise is not paying attention.

But again if Eustace believed no future for him here why Is he speaking about togetherness and fans players and coaching team together upto a few days ago

I'm not arguing that he didn't have major reason to be unhappy.

He has acted like a snake in the way he has gone about it imo.

Il wait and see if he is critical and open in what he says on the situation once confirmed at Derby, if he has an nda then I expect him to say that and say he can't speak about some things.I don't want to hear him talking about being closer to family,Derby a huge club etc 

[Upside Down]

6 minutes ago, neophox said:

Well you could question if the turnaround of form last 12 games was when WBA Preston and Coventry were sniffing around Eustace...or Eustace or his agent sniffing around them...was the same with JDT ..the form dunked rapidly when he really wanted out.

We also got shit loads of injuries at the exact same time as well.

Exactly the same scenario. Paper thin squad ravaged by injuries, no investment or reinforcement then other clubs start inquiring about your availability. Easy to see why they took one look at the situation and thought, fuck this I'm getting out of here.

[martonrover]

Eustace has a release clause in his contract.

A club has agreed to pay the requisite fee.

Eustace has decided that said club is a better bet in the long term.

We all know why.

Contracts being allowed to run down and desperate signings in the Window no doubt the final straw.

 

[davulsukur]

Probably mentioned already but word on X was that another one of Waggotts meetings with a few players and fans was set to take place again?

No idea which fans attended but I'm sure a couple on here did and I'm sure @glen9mullan attended.

Can anyone confirm?

[islander200]

1 minute ago, davulsukur said:

Probably mentioned already but word on X was that another one of Waggotts meetings with a few players and fans was set to take place again?

No idea which fans attended but I'm sure a couple on here did and I'm sure @glen9mullan attended.

Can anyone confirm?

Ffs this again 

[davulsukur]

Just now, martonrover said:

Eustace has a release clause in his contract.

A club has agreed to pay the requisite fee.

Eustace has decided that said club is a better bet in the long term.

We all know why.

Contracts being allowed to run down and desperate signings in the Window no doubt the final straw.

 

There are various levels of blame apportioned to each person/group involved in this complete clusterfuck but ultimately, as always, all roads lead back to Pune.

They are the biggest rats that need removing, once they go, the rest follow and we can get our club back.

[davulsukur]

1 minute ago, islander200 said:

Ffs this again 

Just saw it on X, no idea of its actually going to happen. Wouldn't surprise me as Waggott will be in full self preservation mode right now.

[Silas]

4 minutes ago, 47er said:

The 2 are directly linked.

Maybe, but I don't see what purpose my sympathy for them achieves.

I've only got so much emotional energy in a day. 

Jon Dahl probably doesn't give us a 2nd thought. Eustace won't give a crap about Rovers and the players come Friday night when he's in a Derby dugout. 

Despite all the 'he's a team player, just wants the lads to get a new contract,  he always has their back...' stuff.

We'll be an instant, distant memory. 

Don't blame him, thanks for the year John, saved us from relegation, and did some good stuff. 

But I'm a bit over the pity party.....for him. Quite happy to wallow in one for us. 

[Upside Down]

2 minutes ago, islander200 said:

But again if Eustace believed no future for him here why Is he speaking about togetherness and fans players and coaching team together upto a few days ago

I'm not arguing that he didn't have major reason to be unhappy.

He has acted like a snake in the way he has gone about it imo.

Il wait and see if he is critical and open in what he says on the situation once confirmed at Derby, if he has an nda then I expect him to say that and say he can't speak about some things.I don't want to hear him talking about being closer to family,Derby a huge club etc 

He's acted professionally by doing that.

Would you start gobbing off to all and sundry about how shit the place you work is and what a bunch of cunts the people who employ you are before you'd secured a position elsewhere? Or would you just turn up one day, hand in your resignation and leave?

Like I said, he's not JDT. JDT didn't need the job here, Eustace did.

[Old Codger]

Fuck me but some people are just plain thick. This was never about John sodding Eustace! It was always about the lying, conniving, scheming, dishonest, untrustworthy and despicable morons that a) own the club and b) take the coin to run it as cheaply as possible. JE just happened to be the latest in a growing list of patsies who was incumbent when their latest hairbrained scheme to avoid promotion at all costs (literally it seems) came home to roost.

Ask yourself two simple questions:

1) What do Steve Waggott and Suhail Pasha know about running a successful and upwardly mobile football club?

2) What do Steve Waggot and Suhail Pasha care about, based on the actual evidence we have all now seen at least three times?

It is a shame that JE has gone, because he was doing a great job with the extremely limited resources that the two snidey chuckle brothers made available. But until we stop dicking around with a Mickey Mouse Management structure, and allow Mr Hide in the Shadows who knows feck all about football to run the show, any coach / manager / DoF is on a hiding to nothing here.

So wake up, thickets - smell the shit in the coffee. It isn't coffee, by the way, it is just shit.

[levi]

For some reason I didn't like him when he became our manager 

 

I didn't like the style of football last season...or this 

 

And I don't like the way he's gone about leaving 

I don't like venkys either by the way 

 

[martonrover]

39 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

He doesn't owe the club anything, the club owes him, a lot.

Ask yourself one question, why would a manager swap a promotion challenge for a relegation battle with a team in the same division?

Eustace has been lied to repeatedly and had the piss taken out of him by the club. He's done what any self respecting individual would do and got out of the place at the first opportunity.

 

1 minute ago, Old Codger said:

Fuck me but some people are just plain thick. This was never about John sodding Eustace! It was always about the lying, conniving, scheming, dishonest, untrustworthy and despicable morons that a) own the club and b) take the coin to run it as cheaply as possible. JE just happened to be the latest in a growing list of patsies who was incumbent when their latest hairbrained scheme to avoid promotion at all costs (literally it seems) came home to roost.

Ask yourself two simple questions:

1) What do Steve Waggott and Suhail Pasha know about running a successful and upwardly mobile football club?

2) What do Steve Waggot and Suhail Pasha care about, based on the actual evidence we have all now seen at least three times?

It is a shame that JE has gone, because he was doing a great job with the extremely limited resources that the two snidey chuckle brothers made available. But until we stop dicking around with a Mickey Mouse Management structure, and allow Mr Hide in the Shadows who knows feck all about football to run the show, any coach / manager / DoF is on a hiding to nothing here.

So wake up, thickets - smell the shit in the coffee. It isn't coffee, by the way, it is just shit.

Largely agree, but Suhail and Waggott are just symptoms of the root cause of all our problems, the owners.

[islander200]

Just now, Upside Down said:

He's acted professionally by doing that.

Would you start gobbing off to all and sundry about how shit the place you work is and what a bunch of cunts the people who employ you are before you'd secured a position elsewhere? Or would you just turn up one day, hand in your resignation and leave?

Like I said, he's not JDT. JDT didn't need the job here, Eustace did.

No I just wouldn't say anything on togetherness or family or we are In it together when I had one foot out the door 

[DE.]

Eustace came into the club knowing what had gone on before, I have no doubt of that. I'm sure he saw Rovers as somewhere he could stay visible, and perhaps navigate the situation in a similar way to Mowbray if he played his cards right. If not, the release clause was there as a potential get-out. As it turned out he was never going to get the same opportunities as Mowbray to spend any serious cash. Once he realised this, most likely last summer, he decided it was time to move on. We know JDT offered to resign and was turned down. Paul Mani says Eustace did the same, and was also told to stay. If we believe that to be true, then he did try to do things the right way, much like JDT, but wasn't allowed to move on.

At that point I'm sure he and his agent were looking for a way out via his release clause. However, until a club showed any serious interest he was going to need to continue doing what he could here. Throwing in the towel and half-arsing it would have likely caused the team to become demoralised and struggle, which would make it more difficult for him to find a club willing to pay his release clause. Yes, most likely he played the game and continued to promote togetherness, unity, etc with one foot already out the door - but football is a cut-throat business, so it is what it is. You only have to look at the likes of Mark Hughes to see how quickly things can take a downturn. He needed the team to continue playing to the best of their ability to make himself look as attractive as possible to potential suitors.

He probably thought he could get better than Derby. If January hadn't been such a shitshow maybe he would have taken his chances and waited until the summer to try and move on. Maybe if our form hadn't been in serious decline he would have stayed longer. We will never know, but evidently he found the situation here so bad that he would rather chance a relegation battle than spend another few months working for Waggott and Suhail.

Eustace had no loyalty to us, but unfortunately this is something we'll have to get used to. It isn't the good ol' days where we were a family run club that supported managers as best as we could. We're a club where managers are lied to, given inadequate resources and not rewarded even if there is significant overachievement. We can't expect loyalty in that situation when the manager does not have any inherent reason for it - such as being a local. We'll always be treated as a way to stay visible until something better comes along. The only way that changes is if Venky's and everyone associated with their ownership leaves and the club becomes something worth sticking around for again.

[Exiled in Toronto Mk2]

4 minutes ago, islander200 said:

But again if Eustace believed no future for him here why Is he speaking about togetherness and fans players and coaching team together upto a few days ago

I'm not arguing that he didn't have major reason to be unhappy.

He has acted like a snake in the way he has gone about it imo.

Il wait and see if he is critical and open in what he says on the situation once confirmed at Derby, if he has an nda then I expect him to say that and say he can't speak about some things.I don't want to hear him talking about being closer to family,Derby a huge club etc 

He didn’t just speak about togetherness, he droned on about it in every single interview for a whole year, it was his mantra. Upping sticks with 15 games to go and surely denting the players’ chances of reaching the Premier League shows he wasn’t in this together with them at all. Togetherness implies self-sacrifice for the good of the group, he’s put his needs ahead of those of the group, irrespective of the many good reasons he had to be pissed off. Good luck to him preaching togetherness to the Derby dressing room.