Eustace…GONE

[alex l]

Someone on Facebook has challenged me on the investment stance. Says we have spent £5m due to the wages of the players we have brought in and that until we sold Wharton and Szmods, we were strictly limited to paying £10k a week. Tried to highlight Gally, Trav, Szmods, Kaminski were likely on more than that, but this is how some fans view the club. Bring in £35m+ in fees, and this is the best we should expect to go out. 

[bluebruce]

1 minute ago, Waggy76 said:

Do you like being lied too? 

Given how happy he is to lie to himself, I think the answer is yes.

[...]

14 minutes ago, neophox said:

Would you want this guy?

Is that Pears dad?

[MB Rover]

Reeks of Paul Warne. Absolutely stinks to high heaven of it. 

[Neal]

Put it this way... They're trying to make the club as self sufficient as possible so they can put less money in. What will give them more of a reason to leave? Not giving them any more money, making it harder for them to fund the club or some words said at some half hearted protest that will likely be less of a protest than what we were doing 10 years ago... I say to all the fans...

The choice is yours.

[Exiled_Rover]

5 minutes ago, islander200 said:

If you want to finish in the top 6 you get a manager in ASAP not give it to Johnson for a few games  and take your time over a decision. 

If you want to get into the top 6 you back the manager that has you sat there in February. 

[roverandout]

2 minutes ago, alex l said:

Someone on Facebook has challenged me on the investment stance. Says we have spent £5m due to the wages of the players we have brought in and that until we sold Wharton and Szmods, we were strictly limited to paying £10k a week. Tried to highlight Gally, Trav, Szmods, Kaminski were likely on more than that, but this is how some fans view the club. Bring in £35m+ in fees, and this is the best we should expect to go out. 

Don't bother with those people.  Thick as pig shit

[martonrover]

14 minutes ago, sabino said:

You really love that c word don't you. It speaks volumes about you. Just stop it! It's not difficult.

And if you don't blame JE at all in this you really don't follow this club.

Who the hell are you?

The c word? Do you live in a monastery or something?

“Cretin” is not the “C” word.

In any case, I think it’s the first time I’ve used it on here.

I’ve followed the club since the late 70’s.

Now jog on, you obvious club plant.

Edited 18 hours ago by martonrover

[chaddyrovers]

Nicko had his Patreon account is suggesting Eustace has been unhappy since the summer and over the transfers policy over the summer and the winter. he wanted certain players and didn't get them. Plus add Paul Mani comments over the budget he was promise then didn't get it. He wanted quick signings in January and didn't get them. Plus then factoring in Eustace's camp has been looking at other jobs. 

Rovers should have kept their promises to Eustace and give him the assurances he wanted plus a new contract. What a mess. 

Where we go from here, god knows but we need a quick appointment and Rovers should have know since Friday/Saturday this was coming and should have been sounding possible head coaches out. Rovers need to sort out what the transfer policy is and who is picking them and what say the head coach has and make sure he is happy with that. Otherwise, we will back to this again in the summer and next February. I fully expect a head coach who will accept an limited say on transfers come the summer. Probably a foreign head coach but with Championship experience 

Also Rovers need to srt out the contract situation of our key players and why hasn't already been done. What a fucking mess again. No long term planning and thinking. 

Edited 17 hours ago by chaddyrovers

[Cherry Blue]

12 minutes ago, Waggy76 said:

I think Eustace, went into the meeting with both barrels aimed at Suhail.. 

But we will never know. Just waggott & his best mate know what was said & hide behind the news now scawling across sky sports that tells a story to the world, step one to clear them from blame.

 

 

 

 

[Waggy76]

4 minutes ago, Neal said:

Put it this way... They're trying to make the club as self sufficient as possible so they can put less money in. What will give them more of a reason to leave? Not giving them any more money, making it harder for them to fund the club or some words said at some half hearted protest that will likely be less of a protest than what we were doing 10 years ago... I say to all the fans...

The choice is yours.

Fair point 

[MB Rover]

A statement from WATR:

Dear Member,   Please find below a statement from the Supporters Trust on recent developments at Ewood Park.   On January 3rd, the WATR board sent the following communication to Steve Waggott: “We are writing on the eve of one of the most important games in recent times. Rovers haven’t beaten our arch-rivals in 14 years, and the fortunes of our respective clubs have taken polar opposite paths during the time Venky’s have been our owners. Ewood Park will be full of passionate Rovers fans for the first time in many years due in no small part to the belief and togetherness that has been driven by John Eustace so far this season. Aside from being a hugely important league game this fixture could also prove to be a watershed in reconnecting the fanbase with the club. Whatever the result, there are encouraging signs that things are improving, and the club must proactively step up its efforts in fan engagement to capitalise on this. Despite this we do have some major concerns. While we hope these prove to be unfounded, we believe it is necessary to outline our current position. Failure to adequately invest in the playing squad during this window would make it necessary for us to change our outlook and public stance. We remain committed to supporting the team on the pitch, and to working with the staff at Ewood to ensure supporters are represented. However, it would mean that we would have to publicly call for the owners to sell the club. To reiterate what we have said many times before, the last 2 January windows have been nothing short of farcical, and damaged the credibility of our club,owners and senior staff. Last year also seriously jeopardised our Championship status. Furthermore, the nature of our failings have led to supporters questioning the competence and motives of the owners and those within their employment. We simply cannot have another similar situation, and there are people within the club who must understand and acknowledge this. A repeat ofJanuary 2023 or 2024 will not only decimate the good work that has been done but would also likely lead to turbulence and protests against you and the owners. Given our strong P&S/FFP position, our current league position, and the overall strength (or otherwise) of the division there are no excuses as to why we shouldn’t be signing players to give the manager and squad the best chance of success. The entire point of a football club is to compete and strive to be better. We are constantly told that the owners are committed to returning Rovers to the Premier League, and now is the time for them to back up their words with actions. For the third time in four seasons, we have a realistic chance to make at least the play offs, thanks to an impressive first half ofthe season. But this can only be achieved with investment in strengthening the playing squad. A third failure to do so during the January transfer window while nicely poised would render the relationship between the owners and the supporters untenable. John Eustace is on record as saying the squad needs investment. You have also stated publicly that transfer funds are required and have been requested from the owners via Suhail. If funds are not forthcoming, we can only conclude that the aspirations of the owners and their representative for the football club do not match those of the management, board, players and fanbase. We believe in the club, and think that John Eustace can bring us success, but neither you nor he can succeed with one hand tied behind your backs. Given our well documented struggles to keep within P&S limits for years,this is an opportunity which may not come around again for many years. Players that command a fee like Adam Wharton are exceptions. The legacy of that sale must be the progression of the squad to promotion challengers, it can’t be to maintain mid table mediocrity in the second tier. We do not think decent investment in the playing side is a big ask, particularly given the transfer fees we have recouped in the last 12 months. It is a necessary expense in football, and the duty of our owners to make the team as strong as possible. The owners must understand how privileged they are to be involved in our football club. We are confident that if any of our members had their financial wherewithal they would do everything in their power to ensure Rovers were a success, and we expect the same from the Rao family. This window represents a real opportunity for them to turn the club into an asset rather than the burden they seem to currently view it as.”

While the club managed to bring in 6 signings, 5 of them are contracted only until the end of this season, and the short term nature of them does nothing toallay our long term concerns for the wellbeing of our club. Evidently John Eustace is of a similar opinion. To lose a manager who has done so much good work to restore some pride and hope to our club is heartbreaking. To lose him from a playoff position to a team currently in the relegation zone is a damning indictment of everything that is wrong with our club. There is a massive amount of completely justified anger from our fanbase at present, and fan unrest has been a near constant for the entirety of Venky’s ownership. This is hardly surprising considering the catalogue of disasters we have experienced over the last 14 years. It’s irrelevant who is employed as a director of the club: Karen Silk, Derek Shaw, Alan Myers, Simon Hunt, Paul Hunt, Mahesh Gupta, Vineeth Errabelly, Mike Cheston, Rohan Bhagwat, Paul Agnew, Ian Silvester, have all come and gone since Venky’s took over, and none of their departures brought about change. What M Sreenivasa Rao and Gandhi Babu do is anyone’s guess. It is apparent that Steve Waggott is expected to run elements of the club without the required autonomy or backing to do so. The one constant throughout the Venky’s tenure has been Suhail Pasha. While his title has changed in that time, his role as advisor/conduit/owners representative has remained broadly the same. With the Rao family remaining absent for over a decade he appears to hold a lot of power despite having no prior experience in football. We feel that the only acceptable advice for Suhail to pass on to the Rao family is to finally do the right thing and sell the club. New owners who care for the club and will treat Rovers and its supporters with the respect we deserve are long overdue. Sent on behalf of the Board of We Are The Rovers Supporters Trust

[sabino]

2 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Given how happy he is to lie to himself, I think the answer is yes.

What are you referring to. I said the clubis a basket case (that's not good you know). 

JE wasn't lied to. He just didn't get more than he was promised. Many of us would expect a well run club to give him at least part of what he wanted.

You can rewrite this story all day to suit your agenda, but Eustace knew what he was getting into. He just thought he could squeeze the club a bit. He failed.

[bluebruce]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Nicko had his Patreon account is suggesting Eustace has been unhappy since the summer and over the transfers policy over the summer and the winter. he wanted certain players and didn't get them. Plus add Paul Mani comments over the budget he was promise then didn't get it. He wanted quick signings in January and didn't get them. Plus then factoring in Eustace's camp has been looking at other jobs. 

Rovers should have kept their promises to Eustace and give him the assurances he wanted plus a new contract. What a mess. 

Where we go from here, god knows but we need a quick appointment and Rovers should have know since Friday/Saturday this was coming and should have been sounding possible head coaches out. Rovers need to sort out what the transfer policy is and who is picking them and what say the head coach has and make sure he is happy with that. Otherwise, we will back to this again in the summer and next February 

Also Rovers need to srt out the contract situation of our key players and why hasn't already been done. What a fucking mess again. No long term planning and thinking. 

Thank you, Chaddy, for being honest about the situation and how unacceptable it is.

I'm feeling gaslit by some of the fans on FB, it's reassuring that even you, with your constant positivity flag, can see and admit this is a right mess.

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3 minutes ago, martonrover said:

Who the hell are you?

The c word? Do you live in a monastery or something?

I think it’s the first time I’ve used it on here.

I’ve followed the club since the late 70’s.

Now jog on, you obvious club plant.

Did you say 'cash' again mate? Please don't throw words around the Club like that....

[TimmyJimmy]

Well that's me done.

I've supported the club for well over 60 years. I would never hear a bad word spoken about them. I've known many many of the players socially and the pre-Venky directors. I've had a family member play for the club. My family knew Jack. I played a very small part in trying to find a buyer for the club after the Kean horror show.  Family season tickets as far back as I remember. I've done my bit and now I'm done. The Venky's and their people are unfathomable, nothing has ever made sense about them. Rovers are on a managed decline as evidenced by what happens every time we get anywhere near the top six. It breaks my heart but that's it for me. Good luck lads, I know a few on here, the club doesn't deserve you. Fight the good fight but it's not for me any longer.  A super sad day.

[BigHoz]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Nicko had his Patreon account is suggesting Eustace has been unhappy since the summer and over the transfers policy over the summer and the winter. he wanted certain players and didn't get them. Plus add Paul Mani comments over the budget he was promise then didn't get it. He wanted quick signings in January and didn't get them. Plus then factoring in Eustace's camp has been looking at other jobs. 

Rovers should have kept their promises to Eustace and give him the assurances he wanted plus a new contract. What a mess. 

Where we go from here, god knows but we need a quick appointment and Rovers should have know since Friday/Saturday this was coming and should have been sounding possible head coaches out. Rovers need to sort out what the transfer policy is and who is picking them and what say the head coach has and make sure he is happy with that. Otherwise, we will back to this again in the summer and next February 

Also Rovers need to srt out the contract situation of our key players and why hasn't already been done. What a fucking mess again. No long term planning and thinking. 

Wowww I agree 

[superniko]

For anyone wanting to keep their sanity - Do not read some of the Twitter / Facebook comments from our so called fans  

It’s a completely different fan base to here….and they are compliant in the downfall of this club 

[Irish_Rover]

Just saw the club statement, jesus f*cking christ!!
"With significant investment being made during the January transfer window.."

What absolute gall they have to say that shit when majority of them are gone in 6 months and they seemingly haven't lifted a finger to tie down our most important players. That statement could have just said that Eustace wants to talk to Derby and we have reluctantly agreed, leave it at that. But that bit is basically there to stick it to the Rovers fans while also making outsiders go that they're grand blokes.

The hope is that when the inevitable relegation comes that we are better off sticking around League 1 and League 2. Hopefully with an extended period down there the cancer that is these tossers finally moves on.

[RTM08]

10 minutes ago, alex l said:

Someone on Facebook has challenged me on the investment stance. Says we have spent £5m due to the wages of the players we have brought in and that until we sold Wharton and Szmods, we were strictly limited to paying £10k a week. Tried to highlight Gally, Trav, Szmods, Kaminski were likely on more than that, but this is how some fans view the club. Bring in £35m+ in fees, and this is the best we should expect to go out. 

I'm pretty sure even the board have been clear that the wage budget has been cut significantly in the last few years. What a bizarre thing to argue!

[Blow-in]

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Nicko had his Patreon account is suggesting Eustace has been unhappy since the summer and over the transfers policy over the summer and the winter. he wanted certain players and didn't get them. Plus add Paul Mani comments over the budget he was promise then didn't get it. He wanted quick signings in January and didn't get them. Plus then factoring in Eustace's camp has been looking at other jobs. 

Rovers should have kept their promises to Eustace and give him the assurances he wanted plus a new contract. What a mess. 

Where we go from here, god knows but we need a quick appointment and Rovers should have know since Friday/Saturday this was coming and should have been sounding possible head coaches out. Rovers need to sort out what the transfer policy is and who is picking them and what say the head coach has and make sure he is happy with that. Otherwise, we will back to this again in the summer and next February 

Also Rovers need to srt out the contract situation of our key players and why hasn't already been done. What a fucking mess again. No long term planning and thinking. 

Who is this, what have you done to Chaddy?

[wilsdenrover]

6 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Thank you, Chaddy, for being honest about the situation and how unacceptable it is.

I'm feeling gaslit by some of the fans on FB, it's reassuring that even you, with your constant positivity flag, can see and admit this is a right mess.

Don’t let them get to you. 
 

There are none so blind as those who will not see. 

[DeeCee]

I was due to retire last August, I had a reasonable salary and working conditions until about 18 months ago until I got a new operations manager, rather than stick it out under an absolute twat till my retirement I gave it 6 months banging my head against the wall and even started applying for jobs, bearing in mind I was very close to retirement.

I ended up jacking and had several months with no income because of principals.

Reckon JE's the same.

Who was Travis fuming at? JE or the club?

 

 

[islander200]

11 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

If you want to get into the top 6 you back the manager that has you sat there in February. 

I meant as a fan 

You don't take your time and give it to a novice in the meantime.

6th with 15 games to both the players and supporters should want better than that 

 

[Trinidad Rover]

8 minutes ago, TimmyJimmy said:

Well that's me done.

I've supported the club for well over 60 years. I would never hear a bad word spoken about them. I've known many many of the players socially and the pre-Venky directors. I've had a family member play for the club. My family knew Jack. I played a very small part in trying to find a buyer for the club after the Kean horror show.  Family season tickets as far back as I remember. I've done my bit and now I'm done. The Venky's and their people are unfathomable, nothing has ever made sense about them. Rovers are on a managed decline as evidenced by what happens every time we get anywhere near the top six. It breaks my heart but that's it for me. Good luck lads, I know a few on here, the club doesn't deserve you. Fight the good fight but it's not for me any longer.  A super sad day.

Made me incredibly sad reading this. A perfect summary of the entire situation and its consequences.

End of an era for many of us.

Edited 17 hours ago by Trinidad Rover