v Wolves (h) - 9/2/2025 - FAC4

[jim mk2]

10 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Yep. I'm sure Plymouth supporters will remember that one forever. It will really soften the blow of relegation to League One.

What did I enjoy more? Blake scoring at Liverpool or Jansen scoring at Preston? Tough one.

 

I loved the excitement of Cardiff under Souness and the great cup runs under Hughes. Fantastic days.

"Happy to be out of the cup".  Idiotic

[Mashed Potatoes]

8 minutes ago, Dolly blue said:

 My point exactly…..they believed they could…..our lads always appear to think they can’t ….mental strength..has been lacking here since the times of Hughes and co 

Simply not true. Off the top of my head , a couple of years ago we had an FA Cup win at Leicester, a League Cup win at West Ham, not to mention an FA Cup win at Arsenal under Gary Bowyer.

[Herbie6590]

12 minutes ago, had.e.nuff said:

why can you not vote for some players

It looks like the feed for the new signings hasn’t completely refreshed…we are following up - perhaps check later on - apologies 

[Eddie]

2 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

I loved the excitement of Cardiff under Souness and the great cup runs under Hughes. Fantastic days.

"Happy to be out of the cup".  Idiotic

Yes, Jim, us winning the League Cup (as a Premier League side) and having decent cup runs as a good Premier League side are comparable to Plymouth winning a 5th round tie against Liverpool B and getting an extra fixture to work into their relegation battle. An extra fixture that they will likely lose.

We've had some good cup runs in recent seasons, they've been enjoyable and a decent distraction, but I would rather not stretch our thin and overworked squad with extra cup games in a competition that we stand zero chance of winning. 

The last non-Premier League winner of the FA Cup? Oh wait. Never happened. But the last non-first division winner was in 1980. 

A Championship side hasn't even made the final since 2008.

In other words? We stood no chance.

[jim mk2]

1 minute ago, Eddie said:

Yes, Jim, us winning the League Cup (as a Premier League side) and having decent cup runs as a good Premier League side are comparable to Plymouth winning a 5th round tie against Liverpool B and getting an extra fixture to work into their relegation battle. An extra fixture that they will likely lose.

We've had some good cup runs in recent seasons, they've been enjoyable and a decent distraction, but I would rather not stretch our thin and overworked squad with extra cup games in a competition that we stand zero chance of winning. 

The last non-Premier League winner of the FA Cup? Oh wait. Never happened. But the last non-first division winner was in 1980. 

A Championship side hasn't even made the final since 2008.

In other words? We stood no chance.

 

And we've no chance of getting in the play-offs - we're in a false position, we're not good enough, it's not going to happen.

There is an argument too that winning today would have given the players a huge confidence boost for the last 15 games of the season. Excitement! As is stands, they're probably down in the dumps again after another loss. 

Of course getting to the final is unlikely but that's not the point. These are one-off games and anything can happen and a cup run creates a wonderful feel-good factor and excitement - that word again. Plymouth fans will be in delirium now.

I wonder how Liverpool fans are feeling now and will be "happy to be out of the cup"?

"Happy to be out of the cup". No true football fans would want their team to lose any game

It will be your epitaph

 

[Herbie6590]

41 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

You know the drill.

Vote for your POTM in the new Match Centre now - in association with PSL Soccer Leagues…

https://www.brfcs.com/football/match/1334966/blackburn-wolves

Annoyingly, the API hasn’t fully refreshed the database. On Tuesday, this added Kargbo after midnight so if the same happens again today then you should be able to add the new boys tomorrow.

Apologies for this, but it’s  a one off refresh - once they’re in, they’re in for the season.

As noted elsewhere on here, we are working through the glitches the new version presented…this one is largely out of our hands sadly. 

[Herbie6590]

14 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Yes, Jim, us winning the League Cup (as a Premier League side) and having decent cup runs as a good Premier League side are comparable to Plymouth winning a 5th round tie against Liverpool B and getting an extra fixture to work into their relegation battle. An extra fixture that they will likely lose.

We've had some good cup runs in recent seasons, they've been enjoyable and a decent distraction, but I would rather not stretch our thin and overworked squad with extra cup games in a competition that we stand zero chance of winning. 

The last non-Premier League winner of the FA Cup? Oh wait. Never happened. But the last non-first division winner was in 1980. 

A Championship side hasn't even made the final since 2008.

In other words? We stood no chance.

I enjoyed the QF at Bramall Lane. 

[bigbrandjohn]

Interesting discussion on ESPN plus. Before the game there was talk about the quadruple.

Liverpool should be tonking Plymouth with their second string.

Why is it an either or these days with much bigger squads in the Premier League?  Don't fancy some of the replacements if Liverpool suffer injuries 

Our Harvey gave away a penalty. 

[Eddie]

7 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

I wonder how Liverpool fans are feeling now and will be "happy to be out of the cup"?

Plenty are.

I could literally share hundreds. I would actually guess that the majority of Liverpool supporters see it as something of a blessing in disguise. It clearly wasn't a priority and that was reflected in their team selection. 

You often live in your own world, Jim.

[Eddie]

3 minutes ago, bigbrandjohn said:

Why is it an either or these days with much bigger squads in the Premier League?  Don't fancy some of the replacements if Liverpool suffer injuries 

More games.

Liverpool also probably have the smallest squad out of the big 4 (which I'll just consider to be City, Arsenal, Liverpool, and Chelsea for the sake of simplicity).

But even with City we have seen how you're often only one or two injuries away from a crisis.

 

[jim mk2]

1 minute ago, Eddie said:

Plenty are.

I could literally share hundreds. I would actually guess that the majority of Liverpool supporters see it as something of a blessing in disguise. It clearly wasn't a priority and that was reflected in their team selection. 

You often live in your own world, Jim.

 

Come off it - there's loads of posts on social media of Liverpool fans going berserk at today's result

"Happy to be out of the cup" Eddie. 

[Waggy76]

32 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Simply not true. Off the top of my head , a couple of years ago we had an FA Cup win at Leicester, a League Cup win at West Ham, not to mention an FA Cup win at Arsenal under Gary Bowyer.

That was Appleton at the Emirates. 

Think we hammered Premier league Stoke with Bowyer at Ewood. 

[rigger]

What was the attendence today ?

[doctorryan]

Just now, rigger said:

What was the attendence today ?

A little under 15,000.

[simongarnerisgod]

unfortunately toth reminds me of wahlstadt, overawed at the speed of the english game and unlikely to ever get to grips with it

[doctorryan]

11 minutes ago, doctorryan said:

A little under 15,000.

My bad: A little over 15,000 (15,141 to be exact)

[Plastics]

I don't understand why people don't understand the position of "if we stay in then it's a confidence boost and a chance of a run" or "if we are out it's a rest and a greater focus on the league". There's positives and negatives both ways. You don't have to be on one side or the other when it comes to the cup. You can care about it and you can not care about it. You can be disappointed and you can be relieved. It doesn't make you more or less of a fan because it can be read many ways

[Andy]

23 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

unfortunately toth reminds me of wahlstadt, overawed at the speed of the english game and unlikely to ever get to grips with it

Michalski is highly rated and came through the Academy - I'd genuinely be fine blooding him in games like this.

If he shows that he has the ability, it's an easy decision to replace both first choice calamity 'keepers that we currently have.

[onlyonejackwalker]

3 hours ago, Eddie said:

I don't think so. 

We are out of golden eggs for now, if we are committed to only spending exactly what we can afford as a self-sufficient club then we will be able to keep the lights on through transfers. 

There will be enough academy talent and the odd player increasing in value and we will be able to keep things going.

Put it this way, the couple of hundred thousand generated from an extra cup tie isn't going to make the slightest bit of difference. Let's say things got THAT bad. What is that? Another week of staying in business? 

It's a drop in the bucket. 

I think you are a tad confused as to the scale of our yearly losses. To clarify, the entire fees garnered from the sale of Wharton and Sammie, do not cover our anticipated trading losses over a two year period.

We have never been self sufficient even going back to Uncle Jack and the Walker Trust.l years. Absolutely cloud cuckoo land thinking we can be anything like self sufficient in the Championship by selling an academy player or two.

Taking into account all player sales, the owners have still lost circa 60 million in the last six or seven years. 

[Eddie]

2 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

I think you are a tad confused as to the scale of our yearly losses. To clarify, the entire fees garnered from the sale of Wharton and Sammie, do not cover our anticipated trading losses over a two year period.

We have never been self sufficient even going back to Uncle Jack and the Walker Trust.l years. Absolutely cloud cuckoo land thinking we can be anything like self sufficient in the Championship by selling an academy player or two.

Taking into account all player sales, the owners have still lost circa 60 million in the last six or seven years. 

Don't think I'm a tad confused.

I'm well aware of our losses and we have people on here who do an excellent job combing through the accounts each year and point out every relevant detail.

But we have owners who will put in the bare minimum to keep the lights on and the transfer dealings will supplement those minimal efforts and allow us to make the handful of signings we deem necessary to survive.

 

[wilsdenrover]

12 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

I think you are a tad confused as to the scale of our yearly losses. To clarify, the entire fees garnered from the sale of Wharton and Sammie, do not cover our anticipated trading losses over a two year period.

We have never been self sufficient even going back to Uncle Jack and the Walker Trust.l years. Absolutely cloud cuckoo land thinking we can be anything like self sufficient in the Championship by selling an academy player or two.

Taking into account all player sales, the owners have still lost circa 60 million in the last six or seven years. 

It’s even worse than that.

Last six years accounts (17-23) have profit and loss reserves showing a cumulative loss of circa £96 million.

This figure will stay fairly static once ‘24 is added due to the Wharton sale. 

 

 

[onlyonejackwalker]

10 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

It’s even worse than that.

Last six years accounts (17-23) have profit and loss reserves showing a cumulative loss of circa £96 million.

This figure will stay fairly static once ‘24 is added due to the Wharton sale. 

 

 

Thsnks for that but I thought that was prior to player trading of circa 35 million? Hence circa 60 million in actual losses?

[Exiled_Rover]

17 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

It’s even worse than that.

Last six years accounts (17-23) have profit and loss reserves showing a cumulative loss of circa £96 million.

This figure will stay fairly static once ‘24 is added due to the Wharton sale. 

 

 

*£96m in losses claimed by a family currently being investigated for fraud.

I'd take those numbers with a pinch of salt. 

[DaveyB]

2 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Plymouth 1 Liverpool 0

That's the way to do it

Had our perfectly good goal not been ruled out for offside, or a penalty given to us when Kargbo was clipped, then we may well have come away with 1-0 win too. 

Or, put another way, would Plymouth have still gone on to win had the referee screwed them over and not given them the penalty?

But no, you’re right, it’s all just down to mentality 

[wilsdenrover]

26 minutes ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Thsnks for that but I thought that was prior to player trading of circa 35 million? Hence circa 60 million in actual losses?

For those six years:

Pre asset trading loss = £105.5

Post asset trading (players + training ground) loss = £95.6 million.

(in those six years we made a net loss on player trading of £3.1 million.)

 

 

Edited Sunday at 19:40 by wilsdenrover