New manager wishlist

[Exiled_Rover]

4 minutes ago, arbitro said:

It is however if we got in the playoffs by any margin it would have been (and still might be) a real achievement. I think the vast majority of supporters accept he has squeezed every drop from this squad.

Even against Wolves - the drop off in quality from Kargbo / Dennis (on debut in England / hasn't played for 9 months) to Dolan / Hedges was stark. He's worked miracles.

[islander200]

The most ridiculous part of that Nixon article was when he said the club are considering George Boeteng as part of the new coaching team

Talk about backwards,  surely you choose your man and let him bring in who he wants.He will already have to accept Lowe and Benson

[islander200]

Carsley won't give up the England under 21s to come here

If he fancies a crack at taking over a club he will look for something stable which isn't here

[wilsdenrover]

19 minutes ago, arbitro said:

It is however if we got in the playoffs by any margin it would have been (and still might be) a real achievement. I think the vast majority of supporters accept he has squeezed every drop from this squad.

As my subsequent post alluded to, I’m amongst that majority. 

[Tugayisgod]

14 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Even against Wolves - the drop off in quality from Kargbo / Dennis (on debut in England / hasn't played for 9 months) to Dolan / Hedges was stark. He's worked miracles.

Hang on, if Eustace had his way it would have been Bamford and Wallace, not Kargbo and Dennis. 

Not saying he didn't get as much as he could out of the team but he had nothing to do with those signings I would guess.

[unleaded]

Would love Damian Duff !! He’s a up and coming coach .full of passion . same age as Eustace loves the club was at Celtic as a coach & now doing a brilliant job in his native land .. league positions of 7th 4th and champions last year … got Mourinho on fast dial too …. Nixon’s list is very underwhelming…. Likes of Wicky & GON  are poor coaches .. rest are just have beens with no hunger at all …. 

[chaddyrovers]

13 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Its not a criticism of you though. "Slammed the shortlist." The situation is dire, the likely candidates are all considerable downgrades on Eustace. 

don't agree the situation is dire. 

13 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Which if any of Karanka, O'Neil, Carvalhal and Wicky would you see as good appointments and as appointments that give us a chance of a top 6 place?

I gave my opinions on all 4 supposedly candidates earlier today. here the post https://www.brfcs.com/forums/topic/37586-new-manager-wishlist/?do=findComment&comment=2688082

We could appoint and they could get us playoff place. Just like Eustace got us top 6 before leaving for Derby, did you predict that? no he didn't, neither did I in all fairness. I thought we might challenge for it. 

Right now, we are 6th and we have a good chance of top 6 if(big if) we make a good appointment now. Over to Gestede, Owen and Suhail to deliver 

12 minutes ago, TommyRovers said:

So did he take the West Brom job?

Or did he turn it down because he couldn't take his staff?

I gave the proper context to the story unlike your post which did not

4 minutes ago, islander200 said:

The most ridiculous part of that Nixon article was when he said the club are considering George Boeteng as part of the new coaching team

Talk about backwards,  surely you choose your man and let him bring in who he wants.He will already have to accept Lowe and Benson

Its very normal that any new head coach bring one or 2 staff with him but works with the rest of the staff there. 

 

[islander200]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

don't agree the situation is dire. 

I gave my opinions on all 4 supposedly candidates earlier today. here the post https://www.brfcs.com/forums/topic/37586-new-manager-wishlist/?do=findComment&comment=2688082

We could appoint and they could get us playoff place. Just like Eustace got us top 6 before leaving for Derby, did you predict that? no he didn't, neither did I in all fairness. I thought we might challenge for it. 

Right now, we are 6th and we have a good chance of top 6 if(big if) we make a good appointment now. Over to Gestede, Owen and Suhail to deliver 

I gave the proper context to the story unlike your post which did not

Its very normal that any new head coach bring one or 2 staff with him but works with the rest of the staff there. 

 

But it wouldn't be normal for us to appoint Boeteng and then tell the new man he has to be part of his coaching. 

We will already be expecting the new manager to keep Lowe,Johnson and Benson 

There isn't a job for Boateng unless the new manager asks for him 

Karanka would be a shit appointment 

Shortlist(if it actually is)Looks poor 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Not Carsley for me - he’s too big a “ Pep Ball “ fan.

[Tom]

11 minutes ago, unleaded said:

Would love Damian Duff !! He’s a up and coming coach .full of passion . same age as Eustace loves the club was at Celtic as a coach & now doing a brilliant job in his native land .. league positions of 7th 4th and champions last year … got Mourinho on fast dial too …. Nixon’s list is very underwhelming…. Likes of Wicky & GON  are poor coaches .. rest are just have beens with no hunger at all …. 

Nah wouldn’t want him tainted by Venkys 

[islander200]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Its seems that Rovers have had this shortlist given Nicko hints since Sunday. 

Wicky was close to getting the WBA job before but broke down over one of his coaching staff wouldn't come and his GK coach he wanted couldn't get a work permit. I could get behind that but whether he would come with his own choice of staff I don't know. Hopefully we been talking to him off the record and seeing whether he will come or not without his own staff. If not, moved on very quick. 

O'Neil, It is someone I think would be good choice for me but doubts whether he would fit our footballing structure and whether he would accept those terms

Carvalhal has always been a head coach who doesn't stay long at any clubs and I'm not sure that sort of appointment is right for the club

Karanka,, had success at Boro but his man-management skills seems to be possible a problem plus his lack of success since that promotion at Boro 

I would like a new head coach in by Friday cos we have a good chance of top 6 and the right appointment could make this happened. Its seem that the search for the Eustace's replacement is being done by Gestede and Owen who I guess with make their choice to recommend to Pasha who then will decide yay or nay. 

I'm not surprised that it is mainly foreign shortlist given that they will work under Gestede has Head of Football operations and Owen has head of Technical development, whilst having little say in transfers. I'm not sure O'Neil would accept that but you never know. 

 

Owen will probably be off in the summer as he seems to move clubs every season.

What do you know of Wicky to say he would be a good appointment?

Work experience guys like Gestede picking our manager. What could go wrong 

[roversfan99]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

don't agree the situation is dire. 

I gave my opinions on all 4 supposedly candidates earlier today. here the post https://www.brfcs.com/forums/topic/37586-new-manager-wishlist/?do=findComment&comment=2688082

We could appoint and they could get us playoff place. Just like Eustace got us top 6 before leaving for Derby, did you predict that? no he didn't, neither did I in all fairness. I thought we might challenge for it. 

Right now, we are 6th and we have a good chance of top 6 if(big if) we make a good appointment now. Over to Gestede, Owen and Suhail to deliver 

I gave the proper context to the story unlike your post which did not

Its very normal that any new head coach bring one or 2 staff with him but works with the rest of the staff there. 

 

Youve been critical yourself of the fact that Eustace feels that working here is impossible and he would rather go to a relegation scrap. Of course its dire. And embarassing.

Your post on those options goes into detail about structures and if they would be interested. Im just after a yes or no if you would be happy rather than avoidance of the question.

[ben_the_beast]

3 minutes ago, Tom said:

Nah wouldn’t want him tainted by Venkys 

I don't think Duffer would end up tainted by Venkys as I don't think he'd last more than a few months.

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, islander200 said:

But it wouldn't be normal for us to appoint Boeteng and then tell the new man he has to be part of his coaching. 

Burnley appointed a new coach to the staff before appointing Parker as their head coach

Just now, islander200 said:

We will already be expecting the new manager to keep Lowe, Johnson and Benson 

which is normal at most championship clubs

 

Just now, islander200 said:

There isn't a job for Boateng unless the new manager asks for him 

Assistant head coach to a new head coach? or even the new head coach which I wouldn't be surprised to be very honest

[davulsukur]

17 minutes ago, unleaded said:

Would love Damian Duff !! He’s a up and coming coach .full of passion . same age as Eustace loves the club was at Celtic as a coach & now doing a brilliant job in his native land .. league positions of 7th 4th and champions last year … got Mourinho on fast dial too …. Nixon’s list is very underwhelming…. Likes of Wicky & GON  are poor coaches .. rest are just have beens with no hunger at all …. 

Not really been on board with the idea of Duff, until I saw Nixon's list and now I'd probably prefer us to take a chance on Duff, rather than appoint the likes of Karanka 

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, islander200 said:

What do you know of Wicky to say he would be a good appointment?

Why did I say it would be good appointment? I did I could get behind that sort of appointment given he did a good job in Switzerland 

[roversfan99]

Duff wouldnt be mentioned if he didnt use to play with us.

Although Karanka would be shockingly bad.

[TommyRovers]

Duff wouldn't work under Venkys and Waggott.

Thats the reason I would quite like him.

[islander200]

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Burnley appointed a new coach to the staff before appointing Parker as their head coach

which is normal at most championship clubs

 

Assistant head coach to a new head coach? or even the new head coach which I wouldn't be surprised to be very honest

If Boateng is given the job as head coach would you be dissapointed In the club?

We should be looking to get the best man possible until the end of the season. 

We should not be looking for a longer term appointment now unless the club can give a definitive answer on the transfer budget for the summer and what the situation is regarding contracts.

Yeah I remember Burnley doing that and I remember most the comments towards it were negative

There is no reason for us to appoint Boeteng and insist the new manager works with him 

[Penwortham Blue]

12 minutes ago, ben_the_beast said:

I don't think Duffer would end up tainted by Venkys as I don't think he'd last more than a few months.

He’s not stupid, he wouldn’t even consider Rovers unless the owners / stooges had gone.

[roversfan99]

Hes managing in Ireland and almost certainly wont get any other job at this level, never mind at a former club. Of course he would take it.

But he shouldnt be in consideration.

[chaddyrovers]

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Youve been critical yourself of the fact that Eustace feels that working here is impossible and he would rather go to a relegation scrap. Of course its dire. And embarassing.

I haven't said Eustace felt it impossible to work here but what I said was he wanted to greater say in transfer targets and to spend some fucking money given what we received in the last 12 months plus promises made to him about having £5m to spend then not having it a few months later. 

He has been clearly unhappy here for some whilst unbeknown to us the fans. 

If Derby are going to offer him a greater say in transfers and spend some money then I can see why he wanted to jump even tho Rovers still have the opportunity to keep him by offering him a new contract and the assurances he wanted. Rovers should have offered them in my opinion.  

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Your post on those options goes into detail about structures and if they would be interested. Im just after a yes or no if you would be happy rather than avoidance of the question.

Cos the next appointment has to fit into the structure we have and for me, accept that they will have big say in transfer cos Gestede and Owen will run that side of the recruitment. 

Avoidance of the question? is that a joke? You are the best at avoiding questions, you couldn't even give one name who you would like to see on a shortlist, talk about avoiding such a simple question. 

I have given my opinion on all 4 choices. Your problem is this is much bigger question than just yes and no question. How can you not see that? 

 

[chaddyrovers]

14 minutes ago, islander200 said:

If Boateng is given the job as head coach would you be dissapointed In the club?

Yes. I think appointing Boateng would be wrong move. 

14 minutes ago, islander200 said:

We should be looking to get the best man possible until the end of the season. 

We should not be looking for a longer term appointment now unless the club can give a definitive answer on the transfer budget for the summer and what the situation is regarding contracts.

I think we need to appoint a new head coach for more than the short term. 

[roversfan99]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I haven't said Eustace felt it impossible to work here but what I said was he wanted to greater say in transfer targets and to spend some fucking money given what we received in the last 12 months plus promises made to him about having £5m to spend then not having it a few months later. 

He has been clearly unhappy here for some whilst unbeknown to us the fans. 

If Derby are going to offer him a greater say in transfers and spend some money then I can see why he wanted to jump even tho Rovers still have the opportunity to keep him by offering him a new contract and the assurances he wanted. Rovers should have offered them in my opinion.  

Cos the next appointment has to fit into the structure we have and for me, accept that they will have big say in transfer cos Gestede and Owen will run that side of the recruitment. 

Avoidance of the question? is that a joke? You are the best at avoiding questions, you couldn't even give one name who you would like to see on a shortlist, talk about avoiding such a simple question. 

I have given my opinion on all 4 choices. Your problem is this is much bigger question than just yes and no question. How can you not see that? 

 

I have said that not one name is anything other than a serious downgrade on the head coach weve just driven out. I said of the names mentioned, Rob Edwards would be my pick, forget shortlists, but even then, would prefer Eustace to stay.

We just have to accept that the club is a dysfunctional mess and not change it but just hope a manager is desperate enough to work amidst it. No money, anyone of worth sold, no contracts given to add security, arse licking and incompetent board members and people like Rudy below willing to recommend shite to be added on the playing side. If whoever comes in has any ability and credibility, he will soon leave as we have seen. Just seems futile. 

Would any of those 4 being appointed cause you to be angry/annoyed/dissapointed/resigned to the fact that the play offs arent happening under him? 

[moerpho]

This business is all about money. The only thing an out of work coach/manager would look at is the paycheck. Why do you think Eustace took the job at Rovers? For some of these guys it’s not about reputation it’s all about money in the bank. FFS…look at our managers before Mowbray. It’s a cash and grab. Pay me 10k a month and I’ll be your manager even if you fire me after 4 games. I don’t care. Just pay up or shut up. And thus JDT and Eustace walked hand-in-hand out the door and lived happily ever after! The evil chickens in the east continued to prepare their master plan that some day will show everyone who was right! 

Bah - enough internet for today….until 8 that is.coyb.