New manager wishlist

[RevidgeBlue]

15 hours ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

What are you saying Rev? Who do you want? 

We'd both love Allardyce back for a crack, but it might go belly up hoofing it up to Gueye. We play a nice style at times courtesy of JDT.

Warnock might keep the momentum going but these are both old men.

I said early make Travis / Tronstad joint player manager. Do something that has some meaning to all concerned.

Karanga, O'Neil, Lowe, Edwards, Wellens and the myriad of other managers out of work won't really cheer any of us up. Some foreign bloke won't either.

Boateng or Boa Morte would be upsetting.

Duff and Lowe would be supported by the fans. Gérard would give us profile and be a statement of intent.

I'm not ITK but was told by someone yesterday it was Wellens that we want. 

Out of all the names in this post who maintains our spirit and harmony the most? That is the question I want to be addressed. 

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United are 11 places above us in the football league. After waxing 2 billion and more in the last decade. Hard to be successful in this industry.

 

I'm not paid £300k p.a. to sort out these kind of problems. However Ive maintained from the off that it seems a very straightforward situation to me.

The job for the rest of the season SHOULD be a very attractive proposition indeed. However despite you claiming Eustace had no reason to leave, If we don't go up, the job medium to long term is a dog with fleas imo. 

Therefore the solution is obvious to me, initially appoint the very best person you can until the end of the season. On the basis that all you really need to do is to keep us going in similar fashion to what Eustace managed to do for most of the season and keep them motivated, my initial choice would have been Warnock (and to a lesser extent Allardyce) but Im quite happy to accept the latter is a non starter for the reasons people have mentioned. Don't see why Warnock couldnt have been appointed within 48-72 hours if he was interested.

After that I'd go for Gerrard to raise excitement levels, keep the players motivated and keep the spotlight on the Club. After that Id be reasonably happy with Duff and after that Id be reasonably happy with O Neil. Dont see any of those as particularly realistic on the basis, Waghail wont want the spotlight on the Club and Cost, Duff reportedly doesnt suffer fools gladly and the again cost in the case of O Neil respectively.

Lowe has done a good job to date and earned the Club a bit of much needed breathing space but I would expect his honeymoon period to end sooner rather than later and if he was appointed permanently Id expect our results and performances to tail off markedly. Its human nature.

If you've been told it's Wellens we really want does that not ring SERIOUS alarm bells with you? That smacks to me of preparing for Life medium to long term in League 1 or lower. And If the only reason he doesnt end up here is because we arent prepared to pay the £250k compensation then that should be setting off even more serious alarms and showing the real reason Eustace opted to leave to join a Club in 21st.

 It wasn't just for a short term bump in salary.

[LeftWinger]

4 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Honestly Id give it to Lowe and DJ as they know the environment and players.

New manager who comes in could easily get confused and frustrated with the clown show and kick off and be a distraction.

I was just looking at Lowe's record.

He was caretaker at Derby for one game - won it.

Took the Stoke game when Eustace joined - won it.

Took our last two games - won them.

I still wouldn't want him permanent.

[RevidgeBlue]

8 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Honestly Id give it to Lowe and DJ as they know the environment and players.

New manager who comes in could easily get confused and frustrated with the clown show and kick off and be a distraction.

Completely disagree. Id expect us to tail off under Lowe whether it's just a case of his honeymoon period coming to an end or after he were appointed until the end of the season.

There's nothing really for Waghail or the owners to fuck up for a new man on a temporary appointment before the end of the season.

Unless they forget to pay him.

[martonrover]

6 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

I was just looking at Lowe's record.

He was caretaker at Derby for one game - won it.

Took the Stoke game when Eustace joined - won it.

Took our last two games - won them.

I still wouldn't want him permanent.

Exactly.

Doing it for a brief period in the wake of a manager's departure, with a galvanised set of players, is one thing.

Doing it medium to long term is totally different.

[RevidgeBlue]

42 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said:

So, has Crook gone into any more detail on his twitter account or is this it?  Even if it's true, why are people assuming he's turned the job down and not the club moving onto other targets. He was the first name I mentioned when the news broke about Eustace, but maybe he just didn't interview well?

Who knows..

 

 

 

O Neil was surely always an extremely unlikely candidate due to the colossal difference between his Wolves salary and what he'll get here and the fact he's still apparently receiving a very generous severance package?

If we did bring him in, irrespective of his ability, Id be mildly impressed by the statement of intent on our part.

Just think it's so unlikely and always was.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, martonrover said:

Coyle was once fantastic at Burnley.

Ismael’s recent stats are grim.

Yep, could be desperate enough to take it after a series of recent flops. 

The prospect wouldnt excite me personally but arguably better than Wellens/Boateng/Boamorte etc.

[roverandout]

12 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Completely disagree. Id expect us to tail off under Lowe whether it's just a case of his honeymoon period coming to an end or after he were appointed until the end of the season.

There's nothing really for Waghail or the owners to fuck up for a new man on a temporary appointment before the end of the season.

Unless they forget to pay him.

I think the players are living off the adrenaline from what's happened.  I don't think lowe is such a huge influence in the last two results.  He's just another gary bowyer in that he's pally with the players.  We need someone to take the bull by the horns and get us over the line

[JCRovers]

If the club weren't prepared to offer Eustace an improved contract, what makes people think that we'll offer big wages to anyone else despite it being on a short term until the end of season? On that basis, I would rule us out on getting an ex-Premier League manager (Dyche, O'Neil, Cooper, Martin etc.). We will go for a cheap option, i.e. someone who's been out of work for some time. That's how the club operates nowadays.

Lowe will continue as long as the team keeps picking up points; it makes it more justifiable from the board's perspective to wait on making a decision, sadly.

[RevidgeBlue]

9 minutes ago, roverandout said:

I think the players are living off the adrenaline from what's happened.  I don't think lowe is such a huge influence in the last two results.  He's just another gary bowyer in that he's pally with the players.  We need someone to take the bull by the horns and get us over the line

Agree completely.

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, JCRovers said:

If the club weren't prepared to offer Eustace an improved contract, what makes people think that we'll offer big wages to anyone else despite it being on a short term until the end of season? On that basis, I would rule us out on getting an ex-Premier League manager (Dyche, O'Neil, Cooper, Martin etc.). We will go for a cheap option, i.e. someone who's been out of work for some time. That's how the club operates nowadays.

Lowe will continue as long as the team keeps picking up points; it makes it more justifiable from the board's perspective to wait on making a decision, sadly.

Dyche is a name who hasnt been mentioned at all this time round. I did hear him linked quite strongly initially after Mowbray went.

He'd be another very good choice as a short term appointment.

[LeftWinger]

4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Dyche is a name who hasnt been mentioned at all this time round. I did hear him linked quite strongly initially after Mowbray went.

He'd be another very good choice as a short term appointment.

Can you imagine beating Burnley in the play off final with Dyche in charge?

Then all off to see them smash up the Royal Dyche pub in Burnley.

 

[Tricky]

1 hour ago, TheRevAshton said:

Would be very happy with Valerian Ismael.

 

he was terrible at west brom

[JHRover]

The only +ve that I have for Ismael is that he had an immediate positive impact at both Barnsley and West Brom taking over tough situations. At Barnsley they were struggling and he ended up getting them into the play-offs and at West Brom they had just been relegated yet for the first few months at least he had them up at the top of the league. 

So perhaps there is some reason to think he might be able to come in and see us through to the end of the season. 

There's no reason based on his CV to think he would be suitable beyond that. He's had a vast number of clubs and jobs and never lasted more than about a year. I can guarantee most of them will have been more stable and professional than Rovers. 

Perhaps this is the new model - a Watfordesque turnover in head coaches who come in and 'do a job' for 6-12 months before their contracts expire, they resign and we get some compo and then we repeat it again. Suppose it stops any repeats of the JDT and Eustace debacles. 

[Penwortham Blue]

3 hours ago, martonrover said:

Which is exactly what I have been posting.

#metoo

[AvRover]

I thought I'd just sum up a few themes on this thread...

1. The club should have a shortlist, be able to update it in half a day (given we've been left in the lurch). Then, it's 3-4 days to interview 6 candidates and/or sound out agents. No excuses beyond 5-7 working days (where we're at now.

2. We need a quick appointment - we're seeing discord in our ranks already, other clubs like Boro are mobilising and prospective managers are starting to see the dysfunction.

3. We need an impact manager/ motivator on a contract to the summer. There's no long term thinking at the club and the summer will be a sh!tshow. We're unlikely to get a top candidate of this mould but will probably get a 'passable' B-grade substitute.

4. All this is traceable back to the regime. This episode *must* be the catalyst for a new Venkys Out campaign.

[RevidgeBlue]

13 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Perhaps this is the new model - a Watfordesque turnover in head coaches who come in and 'do a job' for 6-12 months before their contracts expire, they resign and we get some compo and then we repeat it again. Suppose it stops any repeats of the JDT and Eustace debacles. 

Sadly you might be right. If we can "lease" players, perhaps the thinking is we can also "lease" managers etc.

Especially if you dont know what you want to do with the Club beyond summer 2026.

[LeftWinger]

15 minutes ago, JHRover said:

He's had a vast number of clubs and jobs and never lasted more than about a year.

 

He'd fit in perfectly here

[RevidgeBlue]

26 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Can you imagine beating Burnley in the play off final with Dyche in charge?

Then all off to see them smash up the Royal Dyche pub in Burnley.

 

The dream scenario sounds sweeter and sweeter.

Gueye scores an 89th minute screamer to win the play off final against them.

With Dyche at the wheel.

Lol.

[Blue&WhiteArmy]

Definitely not my first choice by any means but I really could get behind Ismael.

A few blips in his record but most managers do, experience in the EFL, managed decent clubs.. worked with Watfords owners so hasn’t had it easy so at least he’d be semi prepared coming in here.

Compared to many of the underwhelming names that’s been floating around lately, he’s certainly a much better option and an overall win % of 49% isn’t bad at all.

Still hoping for a surprise name that we’d all be happy with but Ismael, I could get behind.

 

[Rogerb]

10 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

 

Especially if you dont know what you want to do with the Club beyond summer 2026.

As long as that you think there is a plan upto then?

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, Blue&WhiteArmy said:

Definitely not my first choice by any means but I really could get behind Ismael.

A few blips in his record but most managers do, experience in the EFL, managed decent clubs.. worked with Watfords owners so hasn’t had it easy so at least he’d be semi prepared coming in here.

Compared to many of the underwhelming names that’s been floating around lately, he’s certainly a much better option and an overall win % of 49% isn’t bad at all.

Still hoping for a surprise name that we’d all be happy with but Ismael, I could get behind.

 

He's getting shorter and shorter in the betting. (Talksport Bet)

O Neil 7/4

Ismael 4/1

Next nearest in the betting (Lowe etc) out at 10/1.

Suggests to me both have expressed an interest in speaking to us but are nowhere near accepting it otherwise they'd be heavily odds on or betting would be suspended.

First one who decides they can tolerate working under Waghail for any sort of period probably gets it. I'd personally expect O'Neil to run a mile as soon as he speaks to us.

[jim mk2]

Ismael doesn't seem to have stayed anywhere very long including his last job at Watford when he lasted barely 10 months before getting the boot following a run of 1 win in 10 league games

Mediocre, desperate for a job, and quite likely cheap. Ticks all of Steve's boxes,  

[JCRovers]

One interesting name that hasn't been mentioned at all is David Wagner. Were at Norwich last year and got sacked following a playoff semifinal defeat against Leeds which I found very harsh. Has experience with Huddersfield when it comes to achieving promotion to PL. Would be a cheap but quite a good appointment in my opinion. 

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, Rogerb said:

As long as that you think there is a plan upto then?

Yeah.

Just live hand to mouth on a month to month basis until the Wharton/Szmodics/Raya/Carter money runs out.

[speeeeeeedie]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I'm not paid £300k p.a. to sort out these kind of problems.

I'm glad too based on you offering up Gerrard.