New manager wishlist

[BG1492]

Surely people know the salary before being interviewed? 

[TugaysMarlboro]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

You mean Eustace who did much better than you said. 600k is more than a decent salary to offer for a head coach. Not interested in average salary for managers at this level as the parachute clubs will offer bigger salaries. That article you mention is 4 and half years ago.

 

You wind yourself by not accepting other people's viewpoint and respect it. That's the biggest problem with certain people on here  

Not been the case for many years. Do you think Ancelotti and Pep are on more than Haaland and Mbappa? 🤔

That makes it even worse then. So we're currently offering roughly 28% less than what the average wage for a Champ manager was, 4 and a half years ago?

 

Edited 10 hours ago by TugaysMarlboro

[imy9]

600k plus bonuses is a decent salary for someone.

The 800k average is bloated because any relegated club will be paying at least double that for their managers.

If you are not interested in a club pushing for a play off place with a dozen games to go, then you are not backing your own ability as a manager and are not someone I want at the club. I would imagine most European managers will be on less than that, and this is where our new manager will come from.

[roversfan99]

Its not about backing your ability. The job of a football manager is very much still a job and if you are offering a low salary then you naturally are ruling out the better options before you start.

The probability of us getting promoted this season is low (thats not negativity, all teams from 4th downwards are more than 50% likely to be a Championship club next season) so it then leaves being on a lower than average salary at a club with no solid foundations and its best players out of contract at the end of your first full season.

[martonrover]

7 minutes ago, imy9 said:

600k plus bonuses is a decent salary for someone.

The 800k average is bloated because any relegated club will be paying at least double that for their managers.

If you are not interested in a club pushing for a play off place with a dozen games to go, then you are not backing your own ability as a manager and are not someone I want at the club. I would imagine most European managers will be on less than that, and this is where our new manager will come from.

Fair points, but given our current league position, and the counter balance of the contract situation, (a ticking bomb), that’s why I believe a senior, high calibre manager until the end of the season would’ve made sense.

[KentExile]

36 minutes ago, imy9 said:

600k plus bonuses is a decent salary for someone.

The 800k average is bloated because any relegated club will be paying at least double that for their managers.

If you are not interested in a club pushing for a play off place with a dozen games to go, then you are not backing your own ability as a manager and are not someone I want at the club. I would imagine most European managers will be on less than that, and this is where our new manager will come from.

The £878K/year average is from nearly 5 years ago, due to things such as inflation, that average is now circa £1M/year. 

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/inflation/inflation-calculator

Rovers are essentially looking to pay a little over half of the average.

The average figure is affected by the parachute clubs sure, but also affected in the opposite direction by teams such as Rotherham/Peterborough (at the time), or Oxford/Portsmouth (now) etc who are essentially paying League 1 level wages

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by KentExile

[CaptainBeanfart]

1 hour ago, martonrover said:

We can afford to pay the wages of hangers on, like Owen and Gestede

Is that fair on Gestede? Recruitment is one thing we're doing quite well. It used to be that we'd just sign mates of managers but Gueye, Ohashi, Kargbo etc have been plucked from relative obscurity and seem very good value. 

I don't know Gestede's role in these though, I could be giving him credit for something he didn't do here. 

[Herbie6590]

1 hour ago, martonrover said:

I reckon he’s on the forum payroll to keep the place busy 😉

👀

[Ricky]

The comment about the new manager being able to ‘build their team’ next season is nonsense as well. We know that the head coach won’t get the players he wants. He’ll get what he’s given and work with it.

[chaddyrovers]

3 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

Jackson said it would likely be a foreign manager. 

said it for the last 12 days FB. My opinion is nothing to do with Jackson but just feel that a foreign head coach suits our structure with Gestede and Owen running then recruitment side of the club. 

 

2 hours ago, islander200 said:

Derby ain't a parachute money club and they pay Eustace more than 600k

Did Derby offered him better salary then here. 

1 hour ago, sharpysharps86 said:

If the article is 4 and a half years ago then that more than likely mean the average salary has increased further. Parachute payment clubs or not, you have to keep up paddling up to the surface or you'll eventually sink to a lower level.

What is your basis for 600k being decent by the way? Genuine question and not trying to be funny. Do you have any stats or facts to back that up or is it just an opinion / hunch?

Thanks for the question.

I reckon Eustace, JDT and Mowbray were all on similar wages I bet. Just my opinion. 

 

[JHRover]

7 minutes ago, Ricky said:

The comment about the new manager being able to ‘build their team’ next season is nonsense as well. We know that the head coach won’t get the players he wants. He’ll get what he’s given and work with it.

Just part of the never-ending Venky cycle. Appoint a new manager between now and the summer, probably torpedo our play-off hopes either by dragging it out for far too long or appointing a totally inappropriate option to come in at this critical stage of the season, then when we inevitably stay in the Championship and wave off another 15 players and embark on another round of cost cutting and have to cobble together another squad of frees, loans, cheaps then the fans can be kept hanging whilst the new bloke 'builds' a new team. He then realises it is impossible with the structure and resources provided and gets fed up / disillusioned. 

The road to nowhere.

[RevidgeBlue]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

My opinion is nothing to do with Jackson but just feel that a foreign head coach suits our structure with Gestede and Owen running then recruitment side of the club. 

So do you think this is the correct way to operate?

Would you rather have Gestede/Owen picking the players than an experienced manager of Head Coach like Eustace.?

I'd rather have Eustace picking them all day long.

[Plastics]

1 hour ago, BG1492 said:

Surely people know the salary before being interviewed? 

All the jobs with crap working conditions simply state "competitive salary". At Rovers they probably then reveal that that means competitive with the kit person at the interview stage

[roversfan99]

Good luck getting a straight answer.

He will just repeat that its how we operate and maybe say other clubs do and/or its the modern way.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Just a bit of a spoiler. Whoever comes into the job is doing so for the money. Football management is a job. No one is coming purely for the opportunity to get us promoted or to work with Rudy Gestede and Owen.

As ever, under cutback obsessed Venkys, we are seemingly trying to employ the most important position on the cheap. If we dont offer a competitive wage we will only attract the desperate because like with any job the most important thing is money. So expect a poor appointment. Why wouldn't I be negative about that?

Why would I be anything but negative about the way the club is run? Your approach is to tell people to stop going on about it, bury your head in the sand and now call people negative when they call it out.

You coming here cos you wanted to come to the club, try to get us a playoff and promotion this season and if they build their own team working with Gestede and Owen to do that to try to achieve that. 

How is 600k salary not competitive salary previous head coaches were probably on similar wages like Mowbray, JDT and Eustace? If Cooper or O'Neil don't want to come for the salary then clearly they aren't the right choice. 

No my approach is about not keep going on and on about the same issue every day and act like people have forget them, cos no one has but I just don't mention them in every post. Not burying my head as you sand. 

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

A few weeks ago the Chadster was saying how much of a mess the club was, now it’s all hunky dory again and if you say otherwise he’s restored back to the tiresome ‘negative’ barb.

It’s how he always is and always will be, so I wouldn’t get in a day long back and forth with him about it (I’ve learned from bitter experience).

Matty, well all respect, we all know the issues regarding the contracts of key players or lack of re-investment into the club from sales. Nowhere have I have said everything is hunky dory again, but to be utter honest, my focus is about getting a new head appointment before the next game and securing a playoff place giving the club a chance of promotion. 

32 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Its not about backing your ability. The job of a football manager is very much still a job and if you are offering a low salary then you naturally are ruling out the better options before you start.

The probability of us getting promoted this season is low (thats not negativity, all teams from 4th downwards are more than 50% likely to be a Championship club next season) so it then leaves being on a lower than average salary at a club with no solid foundations and its best players out of contract at the end of your first full season.

What happens if we renew the contracts of Travis, Brittain, Hyam and Tronstad in the summer? 

[roverandout]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

You coming here cos you wanted to come to the club, try to get us a playoff and promotion this season and if they build their own team working with Gestede and Owen to do that to try to achieve that. 

How is 600k salary not competitive salary previous head coaches were probably on similar wages like Mowbray, JDT and Eustace? If Cooper or O'Neil don't want to come for the salary then clearly they aren't the right choice. 

No my approach is about not keep going on and on about the same issue every day and act like people have forget them, cos no one has but I just don't mention them in every post. Not burying my head as you sand. 

Matty, well all respect, we all know the issues regarding the contracts of key players or lack of re-investment into the club from sales. Nowhere have I have said everything is hunky dory again, but to be utter honest, my focus is about getting a new head appointment before the next game and securing a playoff place giving the club a chance of promotion. 

What happens if we renew the contracts of Travis, Brittain, Hyam and Tronstad in the summer? 

 

[dallydally]

These penny pinching owners don't have a clue

Pay peanuts and you get monkeys. It's simple

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

You coming here cos you wanted to come to the club, try to get us a playoff and promotion this season and if they build their own team working with Gestede and Owen to do that to try to achieve that. 

How is 600k salary not competitive salary previous head coaches were probably on similar wages like Mowbray, JDT and Eustace? If Cooper or O'Neil don't want to come for the salary then clearly they aren't the right choice. 

No my approach is about not keep going on and on about the same issue every day and act like people have forget them, cos no one has but I just don't mention them in every post. Not burying my head as you sand. 

Matty, well all respect, we all know the issues regarding the contracts of key players or lack of re-investment into the club from sales. Nowhere have I have said everything is hunky dory again, but to be utter honest, my focus is about getting a new head appointment before the next game and securing a playoff place giving the club a chance of promotion. 

What happens if we renew the contracts of Travis, Brittain, Hyam and Tronstad in the summer? 

You live in cloud cuckoo land if you dont think that salary is the biggest driver for who comes into the club. Its a job, its not as if people are going to be so desperate "to build their own team working with Gestede and Owen" that money becomes less important. You pay less money, you limit yourself to a poorer quality of candidates. Money is the most important variable.

Do you genuinely think we will renew all 4 of those contracts by the summer?

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

You are unbelievable.  If Rovers declared black was white then you would endorse it.  I honestly do not think you have a mind of your own.

Totally deluded again Mercer. 

Just more BS and insults from yourself.

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

Firstly, £600k is not a decent salary to offer a head coach when you are sitting in the top six and looking to get into the PL.  £600k WILL NOT attract credible candidates with a track record of some success.

The same salary Eustace, JDT and Mowbray was on. 

if any head coach candidate is just coming for the money then I don't want them here. 

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

You are "Not interested in average salary for managers at this level as the parachute clubs will offer bigger salaries".  Well you should be interested - how on earth do you think you can snare a suitable candidate if you are so far off the pace with your remuneration package!?  What parachute clubs pay is irrelevant - if you want a quality appointment then you pay what you need to and fund it by not handing out ludicrously expensive contacts to players of the ilk of Siggy, Cantwell and Dennis.  A manager makes or breaks a club and that is where you should channel your investment.

Finally, you say the article I mention is from 4 and a half years ago - I assume the article you are referring to was from East Anglia which stated the average Championship managers' salary was almost £900k!!!  Well you are wrong, wrong, wrong!  It was an article I read just after THIS season started and was in a non sporting niche publication looking at salaries across a number of vocational fields.

Your stats come from this report done during Covid and on 28th April 2020 by Daily Mail sports reporter Mike Keegan

Physios on £191,000 and kit men on £56,000! Crazy wages don't add up in EFL with clubs on the brink | Daily Mail Online

[roverandout]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Totally deluded again Mercer. 

Just more BS and insults from yourself.

The same salary Eustace, JDT and Mowbray was on. 

if any head coach candidate is just coming for the money then I don't want them here. 

Your stats come from this report done during Covid and on 28th April 2020 by Daily Mail sports reporter Mike Keegan

Physios on £191,000 and kit men on £56,000! Crazy wages don't add up in EFL with clubs on the brink | Daily Mail Online

Of course they're coming for the money. I don't go to My job because I love working there

[chaddyrovers]

7 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

So do you think this is the correct way to operate?

Would you rather have Gestede/Owen picking the players than an experienced manager of Head Coach like Eustace.?

I'd rather have Eustace picking them all day long.

I think you have to trust your recruitment team and the shortlist they present to you. They have put time into scouting, research into these targets. 

How much time does a head coach have to scout targets overseas or even players in league 1 who can step up to Championship really? 

The head coach main job is to get results, coach the team and tactics, whilst he has a side when it comes to the final target being pick. 

 

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

You live in cloud cuckoo land if you dont think that salary is the biggest driver for who comes into the club. Its a job, its not as if people are going to be so desperate "to build their own team working with Gestede and Owen" that money becomes less important. You pay less money, you limit yourself to a poorer quality of candidates. Money is the most important variable.

the same salary that Eustace, Mowbray and JDT was on? The basic salary is 600k plus bonuses being offered. 

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Do you genuinely think we will renew all 4 of those contracts by the summer?

I honestly have no idea and depends what they wanted to do, etc, etc. 

You tell me, you seems to have the all the answers and I am just wrong every time. 

[martonrover]

51 minutes ago, CaptainBeanfart said:

Is that fair on Gestede? Recruitment is one thing we're doing quite well. It used to be that we'd just sign mates of managers but Gueye, Ohashi, Kargbo etc have been plucked from relative obscurity and seem very good value. 

I don't know Gestede's role in these though, I could be giving him credit for something he didn't do here. 

Maybe, but I always felt that Park was the one who knew what he was doing.

Too many cooks when a well paid, decent head chef is what we need.

 

[Waggy76]

1 hour ago, CaptainBeanfart said:

Is that fair on Gestede? Recruitment is one thing we're doing quite well. It used to be that we'd just sign mates of managers but Gueye, Ohashi, Kargbo etc have been plucked from relative obscurity and seem very good value. 

I don't know Gestede's role in these though, I could be giving him credit for something he didn't do here. 

Suspect it was John Park.

[roversfan99]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I think you have to trust your recruitment team and the shortlist they present to you. They have put time into scouting, research into these targets. 

How much time does a head coach have to scout targets overseas or even players in league 1 who can step up to Championship really? 

The head coach main job is to get results, coach the team and tactics, whilst he has a side when it comes to the final target being pick. 

 

the same salary that Eustace, Mowbray and JDT was on? The basic salary is 600k plus bonuses being offered. 

I honestly have no idea and depends what they wanted to do, etc, etc. 

You tell me, you seems to have the all the answers and I am just wrong every time. 

How do you know that all of those managers were on the same wage? Thats one hell of an assumption.

Im just responding to an article suggesting that our continued penny pinching has caused issues in attracting a decent manager.

Im also not deluded enough to think that money isnt the primary motivation for any manager, its only a job to them.

I dont think that all of those 4 will end the summer with extended deals, no. If we are lucky, one or two might. May aswell throw in Dolan too. We havent extended a contract in over a year.

[KentExile]

1 hour ago, CaptainBeanfart said:

Is that fair on Gestede? Recruitment is one thing we're doing quite well. It used to be that we'd just sign mates of managers but Gueye, Ohashi, Kargbo etc have been plucked from relative obscurity and seem very good value. 

I don't know Gestede's role in these though, I could be giving him credit for something he didn't do here. 

 

8 minutes ago, martonrover said:

Maybe, but I always felt that Park was the one who knew what he was doing.

Too many cooks when a well paid, decent head chef is what we need.

 

Whoever it is making the decisions on which players to recruit, both this summer and in January, they look to have done a generally good job (especially given that they have had to work with buttons relative to our competitors).

Personally I couldn't care less if it is Park, Gestede, Owen, or whatever combination of them

It just saddens me to think what they could have achieved given proper investment on the £40M+ that Rovers have received from player sales in the past couple of years

Edited 8 hours ago by KentExile