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[Mercer]

Totally underwhelmed.

As many have posted, Ismael or Wagner, is that really the best we can do?  Wagner slightly more palatable than Ismael who is almost as distasteful as Karanka, 

If these are the 'final two', what does it say about the job criteria and selection process when you have two such contrasting football philosophies and styles - chalk and cheese.

It's no surprise - as the common saying goes, pay peanuts and get monkeys.

I think either will fail.  Both have had their managerial moments but so to did the 'outstanding candidate' Coyle and we know how that ended!!!.  Sadly, I think the final nails are now being prepared to hammer into the Rovers' coffin. 

 

Edited February 24 by Mercer

[Mercer]

8 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Not interesting in speaking about fucking Coyle. Dingle simple as. Shouldn't be nowhere near our great club. 

You are lying in a hospital bed and the surgeon who can save your life is a 'Dingle' whose idiosyncrasy is to wear claret and blue scrub caps.

Would you allow this Dingle to save your life or would you choose to die?

[Tom]

Consider me simply ‘whelmed’

I have a view that there is actually very very few good managers over a career out there, shown by some of the names we’ve been linked with we would have been delighted with at one stage of their career including Ismael, Karanka and Wagner. Most of them will have a couple of jobs it works out in and more where it just doesn’t. 

We’ve gone for an easy option who may well have peaked early and now need a big chunk of luck in the hope it works out here.

It does show me that we probably hoped to ride it out long enough just to give it to Lowe as this appointment could have been made within a couple of days of Eustace going.

[47er]

We are consistently hopeless in terms of decision-making on anything. I assume the problem is that anything costing money has to be referred to India.

We are so slow, decisions take so long they become irrelevant eg the player has signed for someone else or ,in the case of the manager, the season is nearly over. Utterly depressing.

No way can we thrive in this environment, the players must feel they are not supported by the owners and they are wasting their time.

[Tricky]

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

these are the 'final two

Val's to lose 

[Waggy76]

Time to boycott? 

[M_B]

1 hour ago, Tom said:

Consider me simply ‘whelmed’

I have a view that there is actually very very few good managers over a career out there, shown by some of the names we’ve been linked with we would have been delighted with at one stage of their career including Ismael, Karanka and Wagner. Most of them will have a couple of jobs it works out in and more where it just doesn’t. 

We’ve gone for an easy option who may well have peaked early and now need a big chunk of luck in the hope it works out here.

It does show me that we probably hoped to ride it out long enough just to give it to Lowe as this appointment could have been made within a couple of days of Eustace going.

There is a lot of "right place, right time" involved when it comes to football management,especially when you're talking modest sized clubs with modest resources. 

When it doesn't work out, it's invariably seen as the manager's fault, when there will be multiple factors(see Rovers).

Before being appointed by Leeds, it does make me wonder if Farke would have been seen as a busted flush, had he been on the list.

[M_B]

9 minutes ago, Waggy76 said:

Time to boycott? 

Yeah, but just Tuesday nights when we're on telly.

[Paul Mellelieu]

Another timely reminder, if reports are accurate, that this is who we are.  A zombie club, with few ambitions than keeping the show ticking over and planning for things to get worse.

[CambridgeRover]

If it is Ismael he will gone in a year, never lasts longer than 50 games at a club

[Bethnal]

Whoever it is, I’ll back til the end of the season, as we all will. By “back” I mean, support the team they’re managing by watching, giving a shit, heading to the games I’m able to, taking an interest in.

But to be clear - whatever happens this season, either of the two “leading candidates” for the job will see us slide down the table.

My impression has always been that Wagner needs a budget and not much of a tactician. Kind of a middle manager, really. Ismaël is a charmer who can brute force a response/surge with a combative and direct approach, but isn’t a man manager and doesn’t have a plan B. Throws his toys out with everyone when it starts to fall apart.

I hope this is Nixon taking a stab in the dark, but I think he’s going to look extremely stupid after his recent tweets if it is just that and he didn’t need to over-egg the story or the tweets with no source/lead on the story, so he’s probably got the story here.

Ironically, his story about the rigidity on salary for the new manager laid the groundwork for this appointment. We’re picking from the people who will accept the salary on offer.

 

[roversinmyblood]

Is it just me or is everyone depressed about what appears to be our choices - Ismael or Wagner?!!

If we fail to get in the playoffs because of our cheapskate incompetent senior management, then I can sadly see me stopping supporting Rovers after 62 years.

[StHelensRover]

2 minutes ago, roversinmyblood said:

Is it just me or is everyone depressed about what appears to be our choices - Ismael or Wagner?!!

If we fail to get in the playoffs because of our cheapskate incompetent senior management, then I can sadly see me stopping supporting Rovers after 62 years.

I feel very flat about all of it. I was planning to go to five of our remaining six away games to try and back us into the playoffs but I now think that will be a massive waste of time and money, not sure I should bother. Already got my Derby ticket but we know how that's going to go

[Torgeir]

7 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

The problem is these two are the calibre of candidate we can attract (for whatever reason) after 3 games of being managerless.

It's a terrifying prospect. 

We've had our last two managers walk out of the club, and the one before they let his contract just run out without proper communications (seemingly) after five years. We have continually underinvested in the squad and are this season's over-achievers, so I am not all too sure that the jobs is _THAT_ attractive.

 

Ending up with Ismael or Wagner I would say is a lot better than I feared. Remember when we hired Eustace that there were reports that Duncan Ferguson was closed to signing? Good grief...

[Torgeir]

13 minutes ago, CambridgeRover said:

If it is Ismael he will gone in a year, never lasts longer than 50 games at a club

That's pretty good then 😉

He can join Arsenal after he has kept us up in the Premier League next season.

[broadsword]

Sounds like if it's Ismael , it would be a minor miracle if he lasts until the end of the season.

 

I would call it a managed decline, but I don't think the executive at the club have the wherewithal too manage anything other than picking their wages up

[RoversClitheroe]

2 minutes ago, broadsword said:

Sounds like if it's Ismael , it would be a minor miracle if he lasts until the end of the season.

 

I would call it a managed decline, but I don't think the executive at the club have the wherewithal too manage anything other than picking their wages up

We dont sack underperforming managers.

[Uddersfelt Blue]

All comes down to money. . We can’t afford the top managers so we’re just going for a manager with Championship experience (as we did with Eustace). 
 

Would have preferred a quicker appointment but two wins by Lowe sort of delayed things. 
 

Anyhow, lets see how things play out 

[broadsword]

2 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

We dont sack underperforming managers.

I know what you're getting at, and you may be correct, but to me, it's Occam's razor time and the simplest explanation is just that they're hopeless, and the decision making is paralyzed by the absent landlords.

I don't think we sack managers full stop, who's the last one who has his contract terminated, coyle? What's that, eight years ago?

 

They don't like doing anything other than picking their wages up, that's my impression. 

 

I could be wrong, it's been known to happen

[Upside Down]

2 hours ago, Mercer said:

You are lying in a hospital bed and the surgeon who can save your life is a 'Dingle' whose idiosyncrasy is to wear claret and blue scrub caps.

Would you allow this Dingle to save your life or would you choose to die?

Given it's a Dingle you'd probably have better odds choosing death. Not sure the magic spells and witchcraft will do much good.

[cesus]

We quite simply needed to get a high quality (expensive) short term manager in. Trying his best to get the club into the play offs. We couldn't afford to let this chance slip, we have.

Next season we will be back to being a relegation favourite and needing to completely rebuild the team, that is 2 different managers.

[BRFC4EVA]

Utterly pathetic but completely on brand. Waste the best part of 3 weeks doing fuck all, only to then appoint the cheapest, out of work, most obvious manager anyway. Sums up the whole club perfectly. 

Our xfers are done like this, so why not managers. Shite 

[Wegerleswiggle]

Don't mind the Ismael appointment at all (if true) Worked wonders with Barnsley and I think his style of play would suit our current crop. Walked into a mess at West Brom and well let's be honest Watford is a nutcase of a Club too. 

Let's just get a manager in and give the next 15 games everything we've got

[Mattyblue]

A Championship merry go round manager, is what it is, could have stumbled upon worse… I.e if we’d have picked up a result on Saturday, Lowey on a three year deal.

[davulsukur]

The club have really messed this up.

For the first time in a decade the club is finally in a position to make a real attempt at getting promoted out of this division.

Eustace leaving for Derby was a comical blow to the clubs hierarchy. January was the their first opportunity and they failed spectacularly signing cast offs from relegation threatened teams, unfit "marquee" signings and loans for players that don't get a look in at League One level. 

Despite this, somehow we still sit in a play off place. 2 wins on the bounce probably had these clowns drooling at the prospect of saving huge money by appointing Lowe but a spectacularly poor showing away at Swansea put an end to that. 

Instead of going all out and getting the best manager available (or unavailable, further lack of ambition highlighted that they won't move for a manager in work), they're bringing in a cheap, incredibly underwhelming appointment which could very well end our play off hopes but also, is highly unlikely to bring about a serious swing in season ticket sales in the summer.

They had a chance to really go for it, get Cooper in on a short term deal and see where we go.