New manager wishlist

[chaddyrovers]

19 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

 You look at West Brom, they had just come down and he was sacked within the play offs but they expected a top 2 place.

They were in the top 6 and sacked another one like they did with Darren Moore, did that sacking achieve promotion then?

19 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You seem defiant and adamant that Ismael if appointed WILL 100% do a good job. Is that fair? You dont seem to have considered that he may not or raised any concerns.

I am happy with this appointment for these reasons, experience of championship as head coach, played 4-2-3-1 formation at Watford plus more of head coach than manager which suits our structure. 

Concerns not at this stage until you see what impact he has here, what formation he plays and whether the players response to his man management skills plus what his backroom staff is. 

19 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I am underwhelmed but obviously its not a hopeless, disastrous appointment and it could have been worse.

so who was you really expect us to appoint? Even your own choice of Rob Edwards has had failures on his CV including a short stint at Watford who have 9 permanent head coach in 4 and half seasons, but you consider him a downgraded on Eustace even tho he has promotion from this league to PL which Eustace doesn't have yet on his CV

19 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Do you acknowledge any of the above concerns, or have any of your own? Or are you 100% sure he is the perfect man for the job?

no one can be 100% sure that X is the perfect man for the job, you have an opinion, like I was confident Hughes would be the right fit for us after he took over from Souness or when Ince was appointed, I just didn't think that was right appointment. I had doubts when we appointed Souness but he proved me wrong. Sometimes you have a feel whether it feel right or wrong, Just like when you hiring staff in a normal job. You see the CV and you have a feel and then you interview then and see whether it backed up your initial opinion or not

[whalleyrover]

1 hour ago, Gamst said:

The reality is that most managers (Eustace included) would not tolerate a situation where there are no assurances re future spending or player contracts. I suspect that rules out all the managers you listed. Given the above constraints I reckon Ismael is about as good as we can hope for.  I think with proper support a team in the Playoffs with only a handful of matches left could attract the people you mentioned. 

The issue is that previous managers includin Eustace were given assurances only for the club to go back on their promises.

VENKYS OUT MAGGOTT OUT

[Gamst]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Not for me. these people consider them PL manager/coaches or want to take time out of the game, or in Gerrard case, tax reasons

 

he needs to sort out his work permit first

Put it this way, I’m not concerned about boro poaching Ismael from under our noses if Carrick gets sacked. I’m sure if we offered cooper,  Edwards or O’Neil a bumper salary with assurances about funding and contracts we would be an attractive job given our league position. Remember we do have Billionaire owners and an excellent FFP position. If only we had ambition. 

[danger19_80]

Presumably Brittain and Woodrow will have good things to say about Ismail so at least it's an appointment that should go down well with the team

[roversfan99]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

They were in the top 6 and sacked another one like they did with Darren Moore, did that sacking achieve promotion then?

I am happy with this appointment for these reasons, experience of championship as head coach, played 4-2-3-1 formation at Watford plus more of head coach than manager which suits our structure. 

Concerns not at this stage until you see what impact he has here, what formation he plays and whether the players response to his man management skills plus what his backroom staff is. 

so who was you really expect us to appoint? Even your own choice of Rob Edwards has had failures on his CV including a short stint at Watford who have 9 permanent head coach in 4 and half seasons, but you consider him a downgraded on Eustace even tho he has promotion from this league to PL which Eustace doesn't have yet on his CV

no one can be 100% sure that X is the perfect man for the job, you have an opinion, like I was confident Hughes would be the right fit for us after he took over from Souness or when Ince was appointed, I just didn't think that was right appointment. I had doubts when we appointed Souness but he proved me wrong. Sometimes you have a feel whether it feel right or wrong, Just like when you hiring staff in a normal job. You see the CV and you have a feel and then you interview then and see whether it backed up your initial opinion or not

Like I said, I am personally underwhelmed but not totally against it to the point that I can acknowledge reasons why he COULD be a good appointment. I personally see more points against than for overall but its a mixed bag. Are there any points against his appointment in your book? Even allowing for the fact that your overall opinion is that you are for Ismael being appointed, and acknowleding potential concerns would not change that overall feeling.

For example, you said the other day that we need a manager for the "short, medium and long term." Ismael has NEVER stayed anywhere for very long. Any concern there?

[CottonTownBoy]

47 minutes ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

Yes, we need some Valerien steel.

and a decent dragon in goal,  “Dracarys” would be the cry from the Blackburn End.

[simongarnerisgod]

i`ll support ismael  because i feel sorry for anyone who takes the managers job at ewood

[Ricky]

41 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Supporters views will change like the wind direction

The irony!! 

[Exiled_Rover]

6 minutes ago, 47er said:

Although he's right in a sense, all replies to Chaddy are utterly pointless.

The lad would be waxing lyrical about Kean if he was appointed as our new manager tomorrow.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

I like that VI looks tough, like a manager should.  I always felt that JE looked like he could be picked on at school.

Yeah, got to admit he doesnt look like someone you'd want to get the wrong side of. If he can scare the living bejesus out of them for 15 games it might work.

Im a bit worried about the work permit situation. How long will that take?

[Exiled_Rover]

20 minutes ago, CottonTownBoy said:

and a decent dragon in goal,  “Dracarys” would be the cry from the Blackburn End.

We've already got an Unsullied in goal. 

[Tom]

33 minutes ago, Ricky said:

The irony!! 

Summon the chaddometer!

[chaddyrovers]

43 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Like I said, I am personally underwhelmed but not totally against it to the point that I can acknowledge reasons why he COULD be a good appointment. I personally see more points against than for overall but its a mixed bag. Are there any points against his appointment in your book? Even allowing for the fact that your overall opinion is that you are for Ismael being appointed, and acknowleding potential concerns would not change that overall feeling.

You asked my if I had any concerns about Ismael and now you are asking me similar way but just a different way. 

My original answer "Concerns not at this stage until you see what impact he has here, what formation he plays and whether the players response to his man management skills plus what his backroom staff is. " 

"no one can be 100% sure that X is the perfect man for the job, you have an opinion, like I was confident Hughes would be the right fit for us after he took over from Souness or when Ince was appointed, I just didn't think that was right appointment. I had doubts when we appointed Souness but he proved me wrong. Sometimes you have a feel whether it feel right or wrong, Just like when you hiring staff in a normal job. You see the CV and you have a feel and then you interview then and see whether it backed up your initial opinion or not"

43 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

For example, you said the other day that we need a manager for the "short, medium and long term." Ismael has NEVER stayed anywhere for very long. Any concern there?

maybe if West Brom and Watford had shown some patience then he might have deliver for them. Sacking him when in the top 6 is laughable for me but they did the same with Darren Moore, did WBA ever get the promote? 🙄

[Hasta]

22 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

maybe if West Brom and Watford had shown some patience then he might have deliver for them. Sacking him when in the top 6 is laughable for me but they did the same with Darren Moore, did WBA ever get the promote? 

Yes. They sacked Darren Moore, brought Bilic in and got promoted the following season. 

[DaveyB]

One of my best mates is a West Brom fan. Asked his views on Ismael - “makes Tony Pulis look like Pep” was his reply!

[Torgeir]

Eustace's style isn't too exciting so if it's more of the same with Ismael then most fans should be happy with the appointment.

[RoversClitheroe]

5 minutes ago, DaveyB said:

One of my best mates is a West Brom fan. Asked his views on Ismael - “makes Tony Pulis look like Pep” was his reply!

Mates a Barnsley fan - said similar, also said that we shouldn't forget that Barnsley season was during COVID.

[JHRover]

So Nixon reckons we are giving him a 3 year deal. 

I don't see the point of this. Why are we giving a manager with a patchy record a long contract when our entire squad is out within the next 15 months?

I would much prefer a deal until 2026 and an option beyond that if things have gone well. 

[M_B]

There aren't many managers, especially in our bracket, that you couldn't have a negative view on if indeed you wanted to.

[simongarnerisgod]

2 minutes ago, JHRover said:

So Nixon reckons we are giving him a 3 year deal. 

I don't see the point of this. Why are we giving a manager with a patchy record a long contract when our entire squad is out within the next 15 months?

I would much prefer a deal until 2026 and an option beyond that if things have gone well. 

i somehow don`t think he`ll last 3 years,when he finds out that most of his squad are out of contract at the end of next season and the board ar`nt bothered about it,he`ll be off quicker than usain bolt

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, simongarnerisgod said:

i somehow don`t think he`ll last 3 years,when he finds out that most of his squad are out of contract at the end of next season and the board ar`nt bothered about it,he`ll be off quicker than usain bolt

If he does get a 3 year contract I’ll give you any odds you like he won’t last 3 years.

[roversfan99]

15 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Mates a Barnsley fan - said similar, also said that we shouldn't forget that Barnsley season was during COVID.

Am I right i thinking that you was (and may very well still be) very much for the appointment the other day?

[Tricky]

19 minutes ago, JHRover said:

So Nixon reckons we are giving him a 3 year deal. 

I don't see the point of this. Why are we giving a manager with a patchy record a long contract when our entire squad is out within the next 15 months?

I would much prefer a deal until 2026 and an option beyond that if things have gone well. 

Probably a few clauses to suit either party when it inevitably goes tits up 

[den]

Its results that matter, not the style. You can’t play shit football and get promoted. If you’re winning you’re playing well.

[chaddyrovers]

28 minutes ago, JHRover said:

So Nixon reckons we are giving him a 3 year deal. 

I don't see the point of this. Why are we giving a manager with a patchy record a long contract when our entire squad is out within the next 15 months?

I would much prefer a deal until 2026 and an option beyond that if things have gone well. 

Also his work permit from Watford time in charge is still valid. Also says Ismael will only bring a couple of backroom staff with him and all of them are available.

Also our entire squad isn't out within the next 15 months

Edited February 24 by chaddyrovers