New manager wishlist

[martonrover]

1 minute ago, KentExile said:

Whoever it is making the decisions on which players to recruit, both this summer and in January, they look to have done a good job

I'm not convinced about January, but I agree they are working within tight restraints.

[Rogerb]

3 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

I think these figures come from the report you’re referring to:

Waggotts getting more than the average then. 

[KentExile]

3 minutes ago, Rogerb said:

Waggotts getting more than the average then. 

Those figures are from close to 5 years ago, so the averages will have increased

Waggott is of course still stealing a living, and this would still be the case if he was on minimum wage

Edited 4 hours ago by KentExile

[Old Codger]

To put it into perspective, £600K is 17 x the local average salary (£35,043) or two weeks wages for a decent Premier League player. The economics are baffling, as of course after all, Head Coach of a small Championship side is still 'just a job' and that kind of money is beyond comprehension for most of us ordinary mortals. It has to be said, however, that it is still 'big money' and with that comes an expectation of performance, results and capability that the majority of us 'ordinary mortals' would just not be able to lay claim to. Whoever is appointed will ultimately carry those expectations. As long as it isn't another 'outstanding candidate' debacle, we will just have to wait and see what the capability is, once it is in place.

FWIW I don't think anyone with any serious credentials is likely to take a punt at Rovers, for the reasons we are all too familiar with. It is more likely to be someone either a little bit desperate, someone who has no direct knowledge of the English leagues, or someone slightly unhinged who talks the talk and has all the badges, but who is Marmite (which means it is 50-50 whether it works).

Sad days when the once coveted role as Blackburn Rovers 'manager' is a lottery / game of pin the tail on the donkey.

[JCRovers]

The story of Rovers for the past six years (not in chronological order):

- Never spent more than 1 million pound in any of the last six winter transfer windows.

- Club makes a statement, saying that there has been a "significant" investment in January when commenting on Derby's approach for Eustace.

- Club receives an official bid in the region of 10 million euros from French side Nice for Brereton Diaz during his final year of the contract. Bid was rejected and the player subsequently leaves on a free the following summer. 

- Club has raked in around 35 million pounds with the sales of Wharton and Szmodics yet less than ten percent of that money has been reinvested in the squad. 

- Eustace has already been in charge for two matches at Derby yet we are entering our third (or even fourth?) week of finding a replacement among the supposedly 150 applicants.

- Club responds angrily when they're getting "deceived" by a head coach's intentions (Eustace) yet doesn't have a contingency plan in place for someone whose release-clause is set to merely 500K. 

- Messed up (on purpose?) the transfers of Brierley, O'Brien and McGuire for two successive January windows, with the latter player leading to JDT resigning. 

- John Park leaves his position for the second time, with rumours circulating around power struggles within the club as reason behind it.

- Club has failed on numerous occasions to capitalize on a promising league position by not investing or strengthen the squad around mid-season. 

I don't want to hear anyone say that they "trust the process" of the club when it's blatantly clear for everyone else that the decision-makers are clueless, running around like headless chickens with no committment or strategy and whose sole mission is to please the owners by cost-cutting, downsizing, bring in a bunch of players on short term deals or loans, sell training facility internally to a subsidiary for some "shrewd" accounting purposes, and let Ewood Park rot by not implementing necessary maintenance of it.

 

[simongarnerisgod]

fans will be voting with non attendance next season,we`ll be lucky to clear 4000 season tickets when the final installment of annual sabotage  the season is complete (the appoinment of a manager they can manipulate)

[Old Codger]

26 minutes ago, JCRovers said:

The story of Rovers for the past six years (not in chronological order):

- Never spent more than 1 million pound in any of the last six winter transfer windows.

- Club makes a statement, saying that there has been a "significant" investment in January when commenting on Derby's approach for Eustace.

- Club receives an official bid in the region of 10 million euros from French side Nice for Brereton Diaz during his final year of the contract. Bid was rejected and the player subsequently leaves on a free the following summer. 

- Club has raked in around 35 million pounds with the sales of Wharton and Szmodics yet less than ten percent of that money has been reinvested in the squad. 

- Eustace has already been in charge for two matches at Derby yet we are entering our third (or even fourth?) week of finding a replacement among the supposedly 150 applicants.

- Club responds angrily when they're getting "deceived" by a head coach's intentions (Eustace) yet doesn't have a contingency plan in place for someone whose release-clause is set to merely 500K. 

- Messed up (on purpose?) the transfers of Brierley, O'Brien and McGuire for two successive January windows, with the latter player leading to JDT resigning. 

- John Park leaves his position for the second time, with rumours circulating around power struggles within the club as reason behind it.

- Club has failed on numerous occasions to capitalize on a promising league position by not investing or strengthen the squad around mid-season. 

I don't want to hear anyone say that they "trust the process" of the club when it's blatantly clear for everyone else that the decision-makers are clueless, running around like headless chickens with no committment or strategy and whose sole mission is to please the owners by cost-cutting, downsizing, bring in a bunch of players on short term deals or loans, sell training facility internally to a subsidiary for some "shrewd" accounting purposes, and let Ewood Park rot by not implementing necessary maintenance of it.

 

Oh my word! Give this man a literary prize for perfect prose! This is as succinct and accurate an assessment of the 'context' into which our next appointee will sink their faith, and let's be honest, whatever faith they start with will very quickly be baggered out of them by the relentlessly fuckwitted dumb and dumber charade that passes for 'management' in our sorry club.

JC Rover for next coach, I say!!

[alcd]

1 hour ago, martonrover said:

I'm not convinced about January, but I agree they are working within tight restraints.

Dennis already looks like a waste of £20000 a week. Sanderson showed at Swansea why he couldn't get a game at Birmingham in L1. Woodrow done nothing yet. Forshaw barely adequate. 

[den]

Successful managers basically achieve success by bringing good players in. There’s not much point paying top money to attract a better manager if there’s no budget available to allow him to bring the better players in. That’s manager wouldn’t come here anyway under those circumstances.
 

That’s the truth of where we are. We’re hoping on getting lucky. Lucky with the manager and lucky with the freebies and loans.
 

 

[Exiled_Rover]

5 hours ago, unleaded said:

Adam Owen helping with the coaching side isn’t a big deal to me … after all he’s the clubs technical coaching director… Eustace took 2 coaches along with him we are short..Benson is with the goalkeepers mostly …. 

Hes got a vast knowledge & experience in this field and It’s wise to use it for now until a new boss is found … 2 wins out last 3 isn’t bad ….. 

Broughton would have been able to dust off his boots and his Pro License if we'd have kept him. 

[BigHoz]

42 minutes ago, JCRovers said:

The story of Rovers for the past six years (not in chronological order):

- Never spent more than 1 million pound in any of the last six winter transfer windows.

- Club makes a statement, saying that there has been a "significant" investment in January when commenting on Derby's approach for Eustace.

- Club receives an official bid in the region of 10 million euros from French side Nice for Brereton Diaz during his final year of the contract. Bid was rejected and the player subsequently leaves on a free the following summer. 

- Club has raked in around 35 million pounds with the sales of Wharton and Szmodics yet less than ten percent of that money has been reinvested in the squad. 

- Eustace has already been in charge for two matches at Derby yet we are entering our third (or even fourth?) week of finding a replacement among the supposedly 150 applicants.

- Club responds angrily when they're getting "deceived" by a head coach's intentions (Eustace) yet doesn't have a contingency plan in place for someone whose release-clause is set to merely 500K. 

- Messed up (on purpose?) the transfers of Brierley, O'Brien and McGuire for two successive January windows, with the latter player leading to JDT resigning. 

- John Park leaves his position for the second time, with rumours circulating around power struggles within the club as reason behind it.

- Club has failed on numerous occasions to capitalize on a promising league position by not investing or strengthen the squad around mid-season. 

I don't want to hear anyone say that they "trust the process" of the club when it's blatantly clear for everyone else that the decision-makers are clueless, running around like headless chickens with no committment or strategy and whose sole mission is to please the owners by cost-cutting, downsizing, bring in a bunch of players on short term deals or loans, sell training facility internally to a subsidiary for some "shrewd" accounting purposes, and let Ewood Park rot by not implementing necessary maintenance of it.

 

Chaddy not downvoted it yet?

[simongarnerisgod]

8 minutes ago, alcd said:

Dennis already looks like a waste of £20000 a week. Sanderson showed at Swansea why he couldn't get a game at Birmingham in L1. Woodrow done nothing yet. Forshaw barely adequate. 

dennis has`nt played since april,unless he gets a regular run of games then he`s going to stay rusty,he`s a fine player but do you drop makhtar for him??? definately not ,yuki coming back as well

i have absolutely no idea what the purpose of signing woodrow was

don`t mind sanderson,he looks a decent defender,unlucky yesterday with that incompetent *****  ward refereeing,it was a bloody rugby tackle on him

forshaw should`nt be starting in place of buckley and im`e no fan of buckley at all

[Mercer]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Totally deluded again Mercer. 

Just more BS and insults from yourself.

The same salary Eustace, JDT and Mowbray was on. 

if any head coach candidate is just coming for the money then I don't want them here. 

Your stats come from this report done during Covid and on 28th April 2020 by Daily Mail sports reporter Mike Keegan

Physios on £191,000 and kit men on £56,000! Crazy wages don't add up in EFL with clubs on the brink | Daily Mail Online

I deal in realism and not an agenda where I agree with everything that comes out of Rovers.

You don't know what salary Mowbray, JDT and Eustace were on.  How can you come out with such nonsense?

I told you where I got my figures from and it's not from where you say.  You think you can take liberties with people and just trash the facts in order to back up your fallacious arguments.  You really Iive a weird life 

Edited 2 hours ago by Mercer

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

How do you know that all of those managers were on the same wage? Thats one hell of an assumption.

Just my opinion as I said in an earlier post to Sharpysharps86. 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Im just responding to an article suggesting that our continued penny pinching has caused issues in attracting a decent manager.

so you think we weren't paying previous head coaches a similar amount then? 

do you think we should pay a bigger wage to attract a Steve Cooper? 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont think that all of those 4 will end the summer with extended deals, no. If we are lucky, one or two might. May aswell throw in Dolan too. We havent extended a contract in over a year.

Yes I am fully aware that the last time we extended

Dolan will be leaving in my opinion. 

[chaddyrovers]

7 minutes ago, Mercer said:

I deal in realism and not an agenda where I agree with everything that comes out of Rovers.

You don't know what salary Mowbray, JDT and Eustace were on.  How can you come out with such nonsense?

I told you where I got my figures from and it's not from where you say.  You think you can take liberties with people and just trash the facts in order to back up your fallacious arguments.  You really Iive a weird life 

I almost spat my drink out at reading your post Totally deluded. 

Yours figures are roughly the same from research done during covid in April 2020. Nothing to see. 

I have already said its my opinions, that's all 3 were similar money around 500k-600k salary. 

I live a weird life? is that the best you got Mercer, You don't have a clue about my life, you know nothing about me apart from me being a big Blackburn Rovers supporter and season ticket, so please don't acting like you anything but what I have already said in this post.  

[Penwortham Blue]

7 hours ago, Mercer said:

I read a report a few months ago which stated the average salary for a Championship manager/head coach 3 years ago was £800,000!

Your manager/head coach makes or breaks a club and when you have underperforming players, or players simply not up to scratch, earning significantly more than the manager/head coach therein lies an issue.

In an earlier post, I advocated making a relatively 'stellar' appointment on a 3 month contract for £300k with a £1million promotion bonus in order to try and reach the promised land because let's face it, I think the club is fecked if we don't get up this season.

IMO, all the evidence just doubly underlines how useless and incompetent Waggott, Suhail and Gestede are. 

It is shit or bust for our football club. There is absolutely no point considering any coach / managerial appointment beyond the end of the season. We need to offer remuneration at £1m per annum, pro rata and a £1m promotion bonus. This provides attractive opportunity and financial incentive and then everything else is up for renegotiation in the summer. This way everything is focussed on the short term and both club and coach have options thereafter. There is no other sensible option, how will ST’s sell if we appoint a HC / Manager now who goes on to lose the majority of our remaining games ? Player trading and renewals will be dependent on the outcome of this season, the future of the club is dependent on the outcome of this season ! There can be no long term decisions made at this juncture, 12 games, shit or bust !

[Mercer]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

I have already said its my opinions, that's all 3 were similar money around 500k-600k salary. 

So you have changed your stance from first positioning your statement about the salaries as FACT to one where you are positioning your statement as "MY OPINIONS".

Totally laughable - you have been called out and found wanting.

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Mercer said:

So you have changed your stance from first positioning your statement about the salaries as FACT to one where you are positioning your statement as "MY OPINIONS".

Totally laughable - you have been called out and found wanting.

I was asked my Sharpysharps86 about that and he asked it was my opinion, or something I knew. I answered it was my opinion. 

Maybe you missed it. 

Called out and found wanting by you😂. One of your funny post again 🙄

[roversfan99]

28 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Just my opinion as I said in an earlier post to Sharpysharps86. 

so you think we weren't paying previous head coaches a similar amount then? 

do you think we should pay a bigger wage to attract a Steve Cooper? 

Yes I am fully aware that the last time we extended

Dolan will be leaving in my opinion. 

So its a total guess. I have no idea what they were on, just like you. Yet you are using it as a key component in your argument.

Considering our position, the importance of the role and the incoming money recently including from Eustace, we shouldnt be doing it on the cheap. That article (which may not be totally true, who knows) suggests that again, we are. As a result if we are doing it on the cheap, if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. Expect someone underwhelming.

I would be very happy if we went and pushed the boat out and got Cooper.

 

[BigHoz]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

So its a total guess. I have no idea what they were on, just like you. Yet you are using it as a key component in your argument.

Considering our position, the importance of the role and the incoming money recently including from Eustace, we shouldnt be doing it on the cheap. That article (which may not be totally true, who knows) suggests that again, we are. As a result if we are doing it on the cheap, if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. Expect someone underwhelming.

I would be very happy if we went and pushed the boat out and got Cooper.

 

More money you spend on players, you tend to get better.

more money you spend on a manager , you’ll probs get better. 
 

who doesn’t want better? Everyone bar chaddy, suhail, Steve, raos 😂

[RoversClitheroe]

37 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

so you think we weren't paying previous head coaches a similar amount then? 

do you think we should pay a bigger wage to attract a Steve Cooper? 

How the fuck would any of us know there salaries unless we had an insider?

Is that question rhetorical? Of course we should pay a bigger salary to a manager who is more likely to get us playoffs 😂. Not saying Cooper can do that, but obviously we need to pay the market going rate, or we get a chancer.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

We're a basket case of a Club,unable to operate like a normal one.Been the same for some fifteen years.

Edited 1 hour ago by SIMON GARNERS 194

[chaddyrovers]

22 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

So its a total guess. I have no idea what they were on, just like you. Yet you are using it as a key component in your argument.

Considering our position, the importance of the role and the incoming money recently including from Eustace, we shouldnt be doing it on the cheap. That article (which may not be totally true, who knows) suggests that again, we are. As a result if we are doing it on the cheap, if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. Expect someone underwhelming.

I would be very happy if we went and pushed the boat out and got Cooper.

 

I said it was my opinion was asked. 

Who says 600k salary plus bonuses is doing it on the cheap? what is your point based on? 

 

[roversfan99]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

I said it was my opinion was asked. 

Who says 600k salary plus bonuses is doing it on the cheap? what is your point based on? 

 

The article specifically said that people have rejected us because of the low salary on offer.

As it says, might be true, might not. But we do everything else with the pure focus on not spending money.

[JHRover]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

 

Who says 600k salary plus bonuses is doing it on the cheap? what is your point based on? 

 

Wasn't that kind of what Nixon's story this morning was about?

That we are struggling to attract any of the quality names because our wage and bonus package is insufficient to tempt them to take the job?