New manager wishlist

[KentExile]

5 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

According to the day before article Karanka was on the list

Blackburn Rovers' manager search with latest on interviews | Lancashire Telegraph

Aitor Karanka is thought to be amongst those who will be holding further discussions with Blackburn. The Spaniard has Championship experience, including a promotion on his CV, and manager Head of Football, Rude Gestede, at Middlesbrough.

ok, so if we take Jackson at face value

He thought that Karanka was being interviewed

Then the day after, he found out that information was incorrect

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

So would people be happy with either Ismael or Wagner taking over? 

No.

Of course either COULD come in and do really well but right now the 

[RevidgeBlue]

thought of either being appointed leaves me feeling flat as a pancake.

[RevidgeBlue]

We had a real chance to make a statement with this appointment, i.e. that we were going to give the play offs "a right good go".

If it's Ismael or Wagner we're making a statement all right, and it's "We're happy to bumble around in the lower reaches of the Championship for the forseeable future".

[andyroversmad]

Underwhelming if after a couple of weeks of searching the 2 names they can come up with are Wagner and Ismael

[martonrover]

So after a rigorous, drawn out process, the net result is one of two desperados plucked from the scrap heap.

[martonrover]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

So would people be happy with either Ismael or Wagner taking over? 

No.

A couple of busted flushes languishing on the scrap heap.

[Tricky]

Just now, martonrover said:

So after a rigorous, drawn out process, the net result is one of two desperados plucked from the scrap heap.

The depressing thing about it is we've approached them too, rather than the other way round.

Begs the question who even applied for it...

[roverandout]

Give to Gerrard ffs

[chaddyrovers]

54 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

At least one person is happy with either. 

I always thought it would be foreign head coach that we appoint as Eustace's replacement. Its fits with our club structure. 

19 minutes ago, TugaysMarlboro said:

Not a penny on either.

Wagner was 28/1 before Nixon's story, now 3/1 and Ismael was 5/1 yesterday now 3/1

55 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Two miserably underwhelming appointments. What you get being under such self imposed financial restrictons.

Ismael had one good season at Barnsley and then has 3 failures on his CV since. Long ball merchant, tends to make the same subs after an hour (or at least did) in each game.

Wagner is in a similar boat. One good season at Huddersfield and has stunk the place out since.

Desperate choices and both massive downgrades on the manager we forced out due to the terrible ownership and running of the club.

How can Wagner been a downgraded on Eustace when he has promotion from this league, kept Huddersfield up in the PL in the first season and with Norwich got a top 6 playoff place? 

Also when he was sacked at Young Boys, they were second in the league, they finished 3rd at the end of the season

[martonrover]

Just now, Tricky said:

The depressing thing about it is we've approached them too, rather than the other way round.

Begs the question who even applied for it...

I heard that guy who is manager of Huncoat was first choice, but turned us down because  Huncoat is a better long term project.

[joey_big_nose]

What I find a bit weird is everyone is of the view Warnock will be great but hes got promoted once in the last 13 years and been bounced out of QPR, Rotherham, Boro, Huddersfield and Aberdeen.

Compared to that Wagners cv looks pretty good...

I am not over the moon about Wagner but I am struggling to think of who realistically we could get with a recentish promotion on their CV.

[TugaysMarlboro]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

I always thought it would be foreign head coach that we appoint as Eustace's replacement. Its fits with our club structure. 

Wagner was 28/1 before Nixon's story, now 3/1 and Ismael was 5/1 yesterday now 3/1

How can Wagner been a downgraded on Eustace when he has promotion from this league, kept Huddersfield up in the PL in the first season and with Norwich got a top 6 playoff place? 

Also when he was sacked at Young Boys, they were second in the league, they finished 3rd at the end of the season

Ok?

[martonrover]

2 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Give to Gerrard ffs

I reckon he’ll end up back at Rangers.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, roverandout said:

Give to Gerrard ffs

Gerrard has probably got his eye on Rangers.

Talksport just said on the news that Clement is about to be sacked and they said Gerrard wouldnt be available to go there until April because of tax implications.

[chaddyrovers]

11 minutes ago, KentExile said:

ok, so if we take Jackson at face value

He thought that Karanka was being interviewed

Then the day after, he found out that information was incorrect

Or we could looked at it that Karanka was interview and maybe into the final interview stage before Rovers saw the fans backlash against his appointment and back tracked, releasing a story to Elliott to dismiss it, or we interview him and he didn't make into the final interview stage. 

Just for the record, I wouldn't had interviewed him

[BankEnd Rover]

3 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

What I find a bit weird is everyone is of the view Warnock will be great but hes got promoted once in the last 13 years and been bounced out of QPR, Rotherham, Boro, Huddersfield and Aberdeen.

Compared to that Wagners cv looks pretty good...

I am not over the moon about Wagner but I am struggling to think of who realistically we could get with a recentish promotion on their CV.

Can't quite get my head around people wanting Warnock...10 years ago yes but the man is a complete dinosaur now. 
 

[JHRover]

13 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

What I find a bit weird is everyone is of the view Warnock will be great but hes got promoted once in the last 13 years and been bounced out of QPR, Rotherham, Boro, Huddersfield and Aberdeen.

Compared to that Wagners cv looks pretty good...

I am not over the moon about Wagner but I am struggling to think of who realistically we could get with a recentish promotion on their CV.

Because it is totally false that he has been 'bounced out' of those clubs you mention.

At QPR he was only the caretaker manager, had a good return of points and then they appointed a permanent boss and he left.

Rotherham he transformed them from being bottom of the league to survival in the space of 2 months. They wanted to keep him but he wanted to be somewhere with a chance of promotion, so ended up at Cardiff instead who he kept up then got promoted the following season.

Middlesbrough he kept them up from being in a relegation battle and was replaced by Chris Wilder when they were mid-table.

Huddersfield he kept up from a disastrous position and had them mid-table the following season before their American owner wanted his 'own man' in and they went on to get relegated after he left.

The other issue here of course is that a Warnock would be an interim appointment, just for the rest of the season to deal with these last 12 games and then revisit the manager situation with more time. A Wagner or Ismael would inevitably want, expect and get at least a couple of seasons of a contract and we all know that Rovers won't get rid of them during that time.

Wagner was very unpopular with large parts of the Norwich support. I'd suggest their 'achievement' in getting into the top 6 was not that impressive when you look at their resources and squad, and they spent most of the season in mid-table. 

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2024-05-17/where-did-all-go-wrong-four-reasons-why-city-axed-david-wagner

 

Edited 2 hours ago by JHRover

[sharpysharps86]

Not surprised if its between Wagner and Ismail. Both pretty uninspiring but can't say I expected anything else. They are both at least better than Karanka in my mind.

Trying to see the positives in either of these appointments:

• I'm not fussed about style of play. If it's Ismail and he likes playing hoof ball...so be it. Had Venkys stuck with that there Big Sam fella who played a similar style then Rovers might be in a very different place than the one they find today.
   
• If its Wagner....well I remember his Norwich side comfortably taking Rovers apart at Ewood in JDT's first season. His successor at Norwich isn't doing any better, and he's done something that Rovers haven't managed since 2012 which is reach the playoffs on multiple occasions, winning it once. He also managed to beat Ipswich so he's at least won a local derby too, something none of our recent managers / head coaches seem to be capable of when it comes to Burnley.

Probably as good as its gonna get for us at this stage and with the money on offer for any potential head coach. Meh.

[martonrover]

5 minutes ago, BankEnd Rover said:

Can't quite get my head around people wanting Warnock...10 years ago yes but the man is a complete dinosaur now. 
 

Okay, I understand that point of view, but this a particular set of circumstances, and there is no need to look beyond the end of this season.

Warnock has lots of experience of promotion run - ins, and of English football clubs, and would be well suited to the situation, in my view.

On the short - term basis we are looking at, I believe he would fit in and adapt far more quickly than the likes of Ismael and Wagner.

I can see either of those two attempting to reinvent our playing style immediately, and that could prove highly problematic.

Get a suitable, oven ready manager for the here and now, and then reassess in the Summer, depending on the circumstances.

[roversfan99]

18 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I always thought it would be foreign head coach that we appoint as Eustace's replacement. Its fits with our club structure. 

Wagner was 28/1 before Nixon's story, now 3/1 and Ismael was 5/1 yesterday now 3/1

How can Wagner been a downgraded on Eustace when he has promotion from this league, kept Huddersfield up in the PL in the first season and with Norwich got a top 6 playoff place? 

Also when he was sacked at Young Boys, they were second in the league, they finished 3rd at the end of the season

"Our club structure." Got to fit within that because it works so well.

Seems strange to respond to a post about happiness by saying hes foreign as you expected. Did you specifically want a foreign appointment? Or are you happy because you predicted it?

You must rate Wagner considering how much you rated Eustace if you think he is better. The king is dead, long live the king.

Do you prefer Wagner or Ismael?

[Craigman]

Looks like Ismael to be appointed imminently 

[BankEnd Rover]

1 minute ago, Craigman said:

Looks like Ismael to be appointed imminently 

??

[superniko]

Both uninspiring - but I’d prefer Wagner out of the two for sure. 

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

"Our club structure." Got to fit within that because it works so well.

Well we are 6th and we have made a number of successful signings who have all had an impact on us being 6th, so I don't know what your issue is. the head coach isn't in charge of recruitment for the reasons I posted to RevidgeBlue on the structure question he asked

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Seems strange to respond to a post about happiness by saying hes foreign as you expected. Did you specifically want a foreign appointment? Or are you happy because you predicted it?

I was open minded on the appointment as I said at the time. I expected a foreign head coach to be appointment cos they are used to coaching the team and allowing the Director of football and the recruitment team to scout and find the players for the head coach to pick from the shortlist 

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You must rate Wagner considering how much you rated Eustace if you think he is better. The king is dead, long live the king.

Wagner's CV has promotion on it, playoffs pace on it and he keep his promoted Huddersfield in the PL. 

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Do you prefer Wagner or Ismael?

happy with either but its looking like Ismael will be appointed