New manager wishlist

[Ghost7]

13 minutes ago, TommyRovers said:

A former play off manager? For a team chasing playoffs? Yeah, it’s decent.

 

With the self inflicted restrictions, it’s a solid appointment. 

 

"Watford have sacked boss Valerien Ismael following a run of only one win in 10 league games".

Get used to it. Minus the sacking part of course.

I'd like to know why we took two weeks and still ended up here.... Clearly not a preferred choice but we got there in the end..... after being told to piss off by enough people.

 

[roversfan99]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Different opinion to mine on the summer signings. 

Plus how many of those signings really did Eustace given unleaded comments about it and why Park left. 

 

Who says Eustace didnt have the final say? 

How can head coach scout players from overseas or even in the UK when he is coaching the team and managing games? That's why you got to trust your recruitment staff and Gestede/Owen on it. 

Eustace wanted Championship experience signings. Many of whom he wanted you didn't want like Wallace who you said was has been. Looks still a good player to me given how he played against us 

You said that our structure is where Owen and Gestede choose a shortlist and the head coach gets the final pick. You seen to think our club efficiently runs using that blueprint. 

Dembele is one example that you have criticised the club for not signing considering that Eustace wanted him but was overruled. There were a number of players in January that Eustace wanted and didnt get. And he left soon after with that seemingly as one of the reasons.

My opinion on any players is irrelevant to the point I am making. The structure you suggest is in place here does not run effectively and efficiently as you suggest.

More like, any new head coach needs to fit into a structure of owners not reinvesting sales proceeds, disagreements above his head on signings, very little say in signings and staff in recruitment (or an extension of eg director of football) constantly choosing to leave the club.

[NeilInBristol]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Gerrard can't take the Rangers job until April for UK tax reasons

Nixon has the story, 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/2007352/steven-gerrard-saudi-pro-league-al-ettifaq

[Herbie6590]

Time for me to post this again…from a Baggies supporting mate…👀

[Andy]

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

More like, any new head coach needs to fit into a structure of owners not reinvesting sales proceeds, disagreements above his head on signings, very little say in signings and staff in recruitment (or an extension of eg director of football) constantly choosing to leave the club.

One of the biggest indicators of a toxic workplace is high turnover of staff.
As far as football clubs go, I doubt we'd be beaten in that respect.

[JHRover]

150+ applicants and over 2 weeks of searching to come up with two names that were both employed and sacked by rival Championship clubs last season for failing to deliver what they wanted/expected.

There were people on here surmising that Ismael would be in contention that first weekend based on his availability and status. Why has it taken the 'powers' another 2 weeks to progress with it?

[roversfan99]

I wonder which players will benefit and be put out by Ismael if he joins.

You'd think it might suit Gueye. Tactics of lumping the ball in the air. Woodrow was a favourite of Ismael at Barnsley, obviously Brittain was but is a good player anyway.

Anyone with flair will struggle. Cantwell, Kargbo, I don't think he was keen on Dennis either last season at Watford.

[JHRover]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

I wonder which players will benefit and be put out by Ismael if he joins.

You'd think it might suit Gueye. Tactics of lumping the ball in the air. Woodrow was a favourite of Ismael at Barnsley, obviously Brittain was but is a good player anyway.

Anyone with flair will struggle. Cantwell, Kargbo, I don't think he was keen on Dennis either last season at Watford.

They'll be keen to offload Cantwell this summer as I think he was only a late 'splurge' to keep Eustace quiet and the intention was always to get him back into the English shop window and sell again. Introducing a manager totally the opposite of his style will see to that.

[Kjell]

There is something that seems a bit off about Ismael. 

His WBA stint was reportedly quite bad.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/3107878/2022/02/03/inside-valerien-ismaels-sacking-player-fallouts-an-unwillingness-to-adapt-and-entire-organisation-under-new-management/?redirected=1

 

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

5 minutes ago, JHRover said:

They'll be keen to offload Cantwell this summer as I think he was only a late 'splurge' to keep Eustace quiet and the intention was always to get him back into the English shop window and sell again. Introducing a manager totally the opposite of his style will see to that.

I can’t see there being a stampede for Cantwell on his current form.

[G Somerset Rover]

11 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

Time for me to post this again…from a Baggies supporting mate…👀

 

4 minutes ago, Kjell said:

There is something that seems a bit off about Ismael. 

His WBA stint was reportedly quite bad.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/3107878/2022/02/03/inside-valerien-ismaels-sacking-player-fallouts-an-unwillingness-to-adapt-and-entire-organisation-under-new-management/?redirected=1

 

 

Think it’s time to turn in for the night!

[martonrover]

13 minutes ago, JHRover said:

150+ applicants and over 2 weeks of searching to come up with two names that were both employed and sacked by rival Championship clubs last season for failing to deliver what they wanted/expected.

There were people on here surmising that Ismael would be in contention that first weekend based on his availability and status. Why has it taken the 'powers' another 2 weeks to progress with it?

A decent jolly to London, perhaps?

[martonrover]

[TommyRovers]

42 minutes ago, Ghost7 said:

 

"Watford have sacked boss Valerien Ismael following a run of only one win in 10 league games".

Get used to it. Minus the sacking part of course.

I'd like to know why we took two weeks and still ended up here.... Clearly not a preferred choice but we got there in the end..... after being told to piss off by enough people.

 

Google Watford manager history 

[chaddyrovers]

41 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You said that our structure is where Owen and Gestede choose a shortlist and the head coach gets the final pick. You seen to think our club efficiently runs using that blueprint. 

No that's Gestede said that in last fans forum meeting. 

 

41 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Dembele is one example that you have criticised the club for not signing considering that Eustace wanted him but was overruled.

Yes I wanted Dembele cos I'm rated just like I wanted De Lange or Mcloughlin. 

41 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

There were a number of players in January that Eustace wanted and didnt get. And he left soon after with that seemingly as one of the reasons.

Yes we can believe that but he isnt the manager but the head coach. Wages for the he wanted wasn't in our budget probably only BTA was  

41 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

My opinion on any players is irrelevant to the point I am making.

Swerving it again. 

41 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The structure you suggest is in place here does not run effectively and efficiently as you suggest.

The head coach needs to buy into his role and let the recruitment team do their jobs. 

Does the head coach have time to go and scout players in league 1 or overseas? 

41 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

More like, any new head coach needs to fit into a structure of owners not reinvesting sales proceeds, disagreements above his head on signings, very little say in signings and staff in recruitment (or an extension of eg director of football) constantly choosing to leave the club.

The head coach should have a say in the final targets but not the shortlist. We have scouts to do the scouting the club allowing the head coach to coach the team and managed match days. 

Now we been over all this several times, do we really need to do it every week. Going over the same old points cos you don't want this structure in place as you make clear several times. 

Edited 2 hours ago by chaddyrovers

[islander200]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

No that's Gestede said that in last fans forum meeting. 

 

Yes I wanted Dembele cos I'm rated j

 

I honestly don't get the love for Dembele at every club he ends up out of the team 

In 2 of the last 3 games he has been on the bench for Oxford,  I think both those games where away Rowett like all the other managers that have had him(apart from Eustace, who only worked with him for 6 months) end up losing trust in him

[Torgeir]

Ismael or Wagner I don't mind either at this point. Think Wagner will represent a bigger change in style at this moment, whereas Ismael seems to be more pragmatic in his approach. We need someone in fast, who can start preparing for the next game asap.

[Polky]

 

[Ricky]

I’d take Wagner over Ismael but fuck me there must have been some dross in those 150 applications!!

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

They'll be keen to offload Cantwell this summer as I think he was only a late 'splurge' to keep Eustace quiet and the intention was always to get him back into the English shop window and sell again. Introducing a manager totally the opposite of his style will see to that.

I mean it depends, doesn't it?

Okocha, Nolan and co thrived off the second ball (with Kevin Davies invariably winning the knock down / flick on). Cantwell, Weimann, Dolan and Hedges are always just too far away from Gueye when the ball is played up to him. Maybe a new manager will drill into someone like Cantwell that if he drops deep to take the ball off the CBs toes again he'll be training with the reserves. 

[Exiled_Rover]

42 minutes ago, Torgeir said:

Ismael or Wagner I don't mind either at this point. Think Wagner will represent a bigger change in style at this moment, whereas Ismael seems to be more pragmatic in his approach. We need someone in fast, who can start preparing for the next game asap.

The problem is these two are the calibre of candidate we can attract (for whatever reason) after 3 games of being managerless.

It's a terrifying prospect. 

[roversfan99]

So the common pattern is that a mixture of falling out with players and his one dimensional hoofball soon being figured out by opposition managers leads to him always leaving the club shortly after joining.

Lovely.

[martonrover]

3 hours ago, TommyRovers said:

A former play off manager? For a team chasing playoffs? Yeah, it’s decent.

 

With the self inflicted restrictions, it’s a solid appointment. 

Before Coyle became a similarly busted flush, he actually managed to win the Play Offs.

Did that make him a good appointment?
 

No.

Unemployed for almost a year having failed miserably at WBA and Watford.

A rigorous selection process for this !