New manager wishlist

[Forever Blue]

15 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

would Elliott Jackson and Andy Bayes have the contacts that Alan Nixon? 

Nixon charges for info. He can chuck any name out there. Jackson has to double check sources before he confirms anything. 

[Inferi]

19 minutes ago, G Somerset Rover said:

Are we appointing a regional sales manager or a manager of a championship football club? How this is all being played out only reaffirms the belief that we really are a circus off the pitch.

Obviously there was no plan in place to find a replacement for Eustace even though he wanted to leave for quite some time and had a ridiculously low release clause in his contract. 

[chaddyrovers]

4 hours ago, Mercer said:

You are lying in a hospital bed and the surgeon who can save your life is a 'Dingle' whose idiosyncrasy is to wear claret and blue scrub caps.

Would you allow this Dingle to save your life or would you choose to die?

Utter pointless point to me, 

I don't want any dingles near our football club. 

1 hour ago, Uddersfelt Blue said:

All comes down to money. . We can’t afford the top managers so we’re just going for a manager with Championship experience (as we did with Eustace). 

We never going to appoint a Cooper, lets be realistic, his wages are well above any championship club without PL parachute money. 

 

1 hour ago, Tugayisgod said:

An awful lot of mystic megs on the forum atm.

Not saying he would have been my choice but at least I'm prepared to see how it goes, unlike some others.

He has an almost 50% win ratio over 350 games, better than Eustace, JDT, Mowbray.

If it's him give him a chance ffs

Totally agree here. 

Ismael has got a playoff place on his CV. He has shown that he is willing to play different formations depending on the squad of players they have. At Barnsley, he played 3-4-3. At Watford he played 4-2-3-1 formation. 

50 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Has anyone said they wont give him a chance?

Being underwhelmed/disappointed by a potential appointment doesnt mean people wont give him a chance.

Win ratio isnt a fool proof way of looking at a managers record because it depends on each individual situation.

Both Ismael and Wagner have playoff place on their CV plus Wagner has a promotion from this league on his CV, and kept them up in the PL on their first season. 

So please can you explained how you underwhelmed/disappointed by either candidate, given your choice of Rob Edwards has promotion on his CV, but didn't kept Luton up and this season in championship, they nosedived towards the bottom of the league before being sacked last month? 

[jim mk2]

6 minutes ago, superniko said:

Wait, I was around at the time but can't remember that, did Andrews post under an alias on here?

There was someone who posted in defence of Andrews every time he was criticised (which was alot - he wasn't a popular player).They didn't appear to  post on any other subject and stopped posting when Andrews eventually left the club. 

[chaddyrovers]

20 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Nixon was saying Karanka last week 

He was saying he possible made it through to the final interview stages, just like Jackson did last week also. 

here is Nicko's article bit about Karanka

"Aitor Karanka is strongly tipped to be in the final frame while experienced Valerien Ismael and former Liverpool number two Pep Lijnders have been mentioned in the last few days." 

He also mentioned Ismael last week

[Plastics]

6 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

There was someone who posted in defence of Andrews every time he was criticised (which was alot - he wasn't a popular player).They didn't appear to  post on any other subject and stopped posting when Andrews eventually left the club. 

That might have been me as Braddock so that looks like a conspiracy theory on your part. I'm defending Forshaw a lot now so if I stop posting after this season you'll no doubt be making claims about that. I remember defending Andrews a lot as despite not being very good the attacks were ridiculous, like the ridicule for his pointing. Also, people booing him when he had the ball. 

[Browjd]

LET is very quiet....

[RoversClitheroe]

50 minutes ago, USABlue said:

I don't think Cantwell wants to be here anymore 

I don't want him at Rovers either, doesn't work hard enough, has created or scored very little. Not sure what the hype around him is about personally.

[superniko]

23 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

There was someone who posted in defence of Andrews every time he was criticised (which was alot - he wasn't a popular player).They didn't appear to  post on any other subject and stopped posting when Andrews eventually left the club. 

It does sort of ring a bell, feels like forever ago with this club though!

This fella certainly looks suspect. Joined in September which would be the only thing putting me off assuming it's Ismael or a close friend.

[yeti-dog]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Has anyone said they wont give him a chance?

Being underwhelmed/disappointed by a potential appointment doesnt mean people wont give him a chance.

Win ratio isnt a fool proof way of looking at a managers record because it depends on each individual situation.

You mean like stating Wagner had one good season and then 'stank the place out' wasn't fool proof (given it was BS).

Someone said that recently. Oh yes, it was you....

What seems unarguable is that if he gets anywhere near his current win % record he'll take us up so I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

 

 

[jim mk2]

14 minutes ago, Plastics said:

That might have been me as Braddock so that looks like a conspiracy theory on your part. I'm defending Forshaw a lot now so if I stop posting after this season you'll no doubt be making claims about that. I remember defending Andrews a lot as despite not being very good the attacks were ridiculous, like the ridicule for his pointing. Also, people booing him when he had the ball. 

I remember Braddock - he/she hadn't a clue. There's always someone who will defend the indefensible. Keep up the good work

[martonrover]

1 hour ago, Ossydave said:

Nope as it stands they're still keeping it incredibly close to their chests, OR doing fuck all about it 🤣 I've still only heard 1 concrete name which is Duff but don't think anything is happening there either. Its quite hard to believe Nixon is getting this exclusive information as nobody else I know is....

 

I’m wondering if Ismael is the recommendation of the member of the hierarchy who is feeding Mr Nixon with information, (which someone clearly is).

Maybe (🤞) he has not yet been accepted by the other power brokers in our bonkers committee.

[LeftWinger]

34 minutes ago, Inferi said:

Obviously there was no plan in place to find a replacement for Eustace even though he wanted to leave for quite some time and had a ridiculously low release clause in his contract. 

The clause will most likely just have been 12 months salary...

 

[roversfan99]

25 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Utter pointless point to me, 

I don't want any dingles near our football club. 

We never going to appoint a Cooper, lets be realistic, his wages are well above any championship club without PL parachute money. 

 

Totally agree here. 

Ismael has got a playoff place on his CV. He has shown that he is willing to play different formations depending on the squad of players they have. At Barnsley, he played 3-4-3. At Watford he played 4-2-3-1 formation. 

Both Ismael and Wagner have playoff place on their CV plus Wagner has a promotion from this league on his CV, and kept them up in the PL on their first season. 

So please can you explained how you underwhelmed/disappointed by either candidate, given your choice of Rob Edwards has promotion on his CV, but didn't kept Luton up and this season in championship, they nosedived towards the bottom of the league before being sacked last month? 

I said with Edwards that even he wouldnt be the best choice and a downgrade on Eustace. He took Luton on in his last job in a not too dissimilar position to what we are in.

Ismael did well at Barnsley but you are happy to dismiss the fact that he failed at both West Brom and Watford since then. His most recent track record is poor. His long ball and inflexible football can work initially but once the opposition cottons on and coupled with suggestions of poor man management, he doesnt stay at clubs very long. Does that not concern you? 

Wagner's football was not popular at Norwich who all think he relied on the sort of individual quality we simply dont have here. They did get into the play offs and surrendered in the semi finals. He did a great job at Huddersfield but it was a long time ago and he has a couple of failures on his CV since.

You would probably have to say that Wagner would make more sense out of the 2. Ismael has a very specific, long ball focused style and I think when we dont have much time that it would be very difficult transition. His recent record is also worse than Wagner's considering that even though questions arise over how much credit he warrants for it, Norwich did make the top 6 last season. Ultimately, both are still somewhat living from glories a long time ago in their managerial career. Not comparing them like for like but Coyle did get Burnley promoted once upon a time.

https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/24174605.watford-call-time-ismael-amid-bad-run/

Here is an article on Ismael at Watford, there was one similar posted about his time at West Brom.

 

[Plastics]

2 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

I remember Braddock - he/she hadn't a clue. There's always someone who will defend the indefensible. Keep up the good work

What's indefensible about saying Forshaw isn't as bad as many on here say (worst to wear a Rovers shirt) or that the booing of Andrews when he touched the ball was detrimental to the cause? Neither players are all time greats but both do/did a specific job

[roversfan99]

3 minutes ago, yeti-dog said:

You mean like stating Wagner had one good season and then 'stank the place out' wasn't fool proof (given it was BS).

Someone said that recently. Oh yes, it was you....

What seems unarguable is that if he gets anywhere near his current win % record he'll take us up so I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

 

 

Everyone will give him the benefit of the doubt and judge him here. We dont need people going round suggesting that whoever is appointed will not have support because its untrue.

Wagner's best job was a long time ago at Huddersfield. The 2 jobs he had abroad afterwards, he failed. Norwich he didnt "stink out" so I retract that somewhat but he wasnt seen as a big success there either and they got shut not long after full time of the play off battering.

[RoversClitheroe]

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I said with Edwards that even he wouldnt be the best choice and a downgrade on Eustace. He took Luton on in his last job in a not too dissimilar position to what we are in.

Ismael did well at Barnsley but you are happy to dismiss the fact that he failed at both West Brom and Watford since then. His most recent track record is poor. His long ball and inflexible football can work initially but once the opposition cottons on and coupled with suggestions of poor man management, he doesnt stay at clubs very long. Does that not concern you? 

Wagner's football was not popular at Norwich who all think he relied on the sort of individual quality we simply dont have here. They did get into the play offs and surrendered in the semi finals. He did a great job at Huddersfield but it was a long time ago and he has a couple of failures on his CV since.

You would probably have to say that Wagner would make more sense out of the 2. Ismael has a very specific, long ball focused style and I think when we dont have much time that it would be very difficult transition. His recent record is also worse than Wagner's considering that even though questions arise over how much credit he warrants for it, Norwich did make the top 6 last season. Ultimately, both are still somewhat living from glories a long time ago in their managerial career. Not comparing them like for like but Coyle did get Burnley promoted once upon a time.

https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/24174605.watford-call-time-ismael-amid-bad-run/

Here is an article on Ismael at Watford, there was one similar posted about his time at West Brom.

 

Have you and Chaddy ever gone for a beer?

If not can you both stream it for us?

[islander200]

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I said with Edwards that even he wouldnt be the best choice and a downgrade on Eustace. He took Luton on in his last job in a not too dissimilar position to what we are in.

Ismael did well at Barnsley but you are happy to dismiss the fact that he failed at both West Brom and Watford since then. His most recent track record is poor. His long ball and inflexible football can work initially but once the opposition cottons on and coupled with suggestions of poor man management, he doesnt stay at clubs very long. Does that not concern you? 

Wagner's football was not popular at Norwich who all think he relied on the sort of individual quality we simply dont have here. They did get into the play offs and surrendered in the semi finals. He did a great job at Huddersfield but it was a long time ago and he has a couple of failures on his CV since.

You would probably have to say that Wagner would make more sense out of the 2. Ismael has a very specific, long ball focused style and I think when we dont have much time that it would be very difficult transition. His recent record is also worse than Wagner's considering that even though questions arise over how much credit he warrants for it, Norwich did make the top 6 last season. Ultimately, both are still somewhat living from glories a long time ago in their managerial career. Not comparing them like for like but Coyle did get Burnley promoted once upon a time.

https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/24174605.watford-call-time-ismael-amid-bad-run/

Here is an article on Ismael at Watford, there was one similar posted about his time at West Brom.

 

Watford was a failure but in terms of results was West Brom that much of a failure?

They were 5th in the league and only 8 points off automatics in the February he was sacked. 

[jim mk2]

12 minutes ago, superniko said:

It does sort of ring a bell, feels like forever ago with this club though!

This fella certainly looks suspect. Joined in September which would be the only thing putting me off assuming it's Ismael or a close friend.

There was a real weirdo fanboy - turned out to be "plastics" - who jumped on any criticism of Keith Andrews. The joke was it the player's mum, or even Andrews himself.  

Wouldn't  be a surprise if Ismael or one of his close associates is doing the same

[martonrover]

14 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I said with Edwards that even he wouldnt be the best choice and a downgrade on Eustace. He took Luton on in his last job in a not too dissimilar position to what we are in.

Ismael did well at Barnsley but you are happy to dismiss the fact that he failed at both West Brom and Watford since then. His most recent track record is poor. His long ball and inflexible football can work initially but once the opposition cottons on and coupled with suggestions of poor man management, he doesnt stay at clubs very long. Does that not concern you? 

Wagner's football was not popular at Norwich who all think he relied on the sort of individual quality we simply dont have here. They did get into the play offs and surrendered in the semi finals. He did a great job at Huddersfield but it was a long time ago and he has a couple of failures on his CV since.

You would probably have to say that Wagner would make more sense out of the 2. Ismael has a very specific, long ball focused style and I think when we dont have much time that it would be very difficult transition. His recent record is also worse than Wagner's considering that even though questions arise over how much credit he warrants for it, Norwich did make the top 6 last season. Ultimately, both are still somewhat living from glories a long time ago in their managerial career. Not comparing them like for like but Coyle did get Burnley promoted once upon a time.

https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/24174605.watford-call-time-ismael-amid-bad-run/

Here is an article on Ismael at Watford, there was one similar posted about his time at West Brom.

 

For me, it’s the fact that both Ismael and Wagner’s managerial careers are on a downward spiral, (which was the same with Coyle).

Both have been out of work for some time, and I think that says it all.

[booth]

15 minutes ago, Plastics said:

What's indefensible about saying Forshaw isn't as bad as many on here say (worst to wear a Rovers shirt) or that the booing of Andrews when he touched the ball was detrimental to the cause? Neither players are all time greats but both do/did a specific job

Both are/were awful. Andrews is the worst player I've seen in a Rovers shirt.

And in all the matches I went to I haven't heard anyone boo either of them.

[Torgeir]

55 minutes ago, Inferi said:

Obviously there was no plan in place to find a replacement for Eustace even though he wanted to leave for quite some time and had a ridiculously low release clause in his contract. 

The release clause should be a reflection of his (relatively low) salary.

[JHRover]

5 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Watford was a failure but in terms of results was West Brom that much of a failure?

They were 5th in the league and only 8 points off automatics in the February he was sacked. 

West Brom results in the league under Ismael:

12 wins, 9 draws and 8 defeats.

Concerningly though 4 of those defeats came in his last 6 games.

Their first defeat was not until 1st October when they lost 1-0 at Stoke, so they lost 8 times in 19 games. 

This is what worries me, his initial impact usually seems to be quite positive - at WBA they went unbeaten in 10 winning 6 - but then things started to unravel quite quickly and when you consider they were fresh out of the Premier League with a pretty strong squad for this level the form they were displaying in the last 2-3 months under him was pretty terrible.

Having read that report in the Watford Observer it seems other than a purple patch in the middle it was pretty poor throughout. 

[philipl]

If no appointment in the next 48 hours, the process will be overrunning.

Person needs to be in place to oversee training ahead of the Norwich game.

Pretty neutral on Ishmael and Wagner. Neither good nor bad.

Still suspect an unexpected name is in the frame.

[chaddyrovers]

29 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I said with Edwards that even he wouldnt be the best choice and a downgrade on Eustace. He took Luton on in his last job in a not too dissimilar position to what we are in.

Ismael did well at Barnsley but you are happy to dismiss the fact that he failed at both West Brom and Watford since then. His most recent track record is poor. His long ball and inflexible football can work initially but once the opposition cottons on and coupled with suggestions of poor man management, he doesnt stay at clubs very long. Does that not concern you? 

How are either a downgraded on Eustace when both have at playoff place on their CV in recent years(last 4 full seasons). 

Most head coaches/managers don't last long at this level? How many head coaches have Watford have in the 4 and half years, they had 9 head coaches. no one stays long at Watford. 

How was WBA a failure when he was sacked with them 6th in the league? FFS Championship - Table & Results | Transfermarkt

29 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Wagner's football was not popular at Norwich who all think he relied on the sort of individual quality we simply dont have here. They did get into the play offs and surrendered in the semi finals. He did a great job at Huddersfield but it was a long time ago and he has a couple of failures on his CV since.

just more excuses to prove your point. He got a Norwich a playoff place last season, yes or no? That's all that matters. 

You over obsess over a head coach failures, so has your choice Rob Edwards twice, once at Watford and this season at Luton, yet you still wanted him here

29 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You would probably have to say that Wagner would make more sense out of the 2. Ismael has a very specific, long ball focused style and I think when we dont have much time that it would be very difficult transition. His recent record is also worse than Wagner's considering that even though questions arise over how much credit he warrants for it, Norwich did make the top 6 last season. Ultimately, both are still somewhat living from glories a long time ago in their managerial career. Not comparing them like for like but Coyle did get Burnley promoted once upon a time.

Ismael had a big target man at Watford in Rajovic.. So why wouldn't go a bit more direct and get crosses into the box. That would be fairly obvious to play that way. 

We have Gueye here who is target man type and wants crosses into the box, so he might play that way, or he might play a mixed style of the players we have. 

I couldn't give a flying shit about coyle and the dingles to be quite honest. 

Edited 3 hours ago by chaddyrovers