New manager wishlist

[Torgeir]

Just now, Ricky said:

12 months? Wasn’t he only sacked by West Brom this season?

Watford less than a year ago.

[RevidgeBlue]

4 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

I’m no Ismael fanboy. I don’t genuinely know how his teams play…

But, I really liked that Barnsley team that he had that season including Brittain, Callum Styles and Woodrow. I mentioned last season that I thought there were similarities to that Barnsley team and what McKenna was doing at Ipswich. A fast, ‘killer’ type of game plan. There’s no doubt he did a brilliant job at Barnsley in motivating a group of underdogs, on a small budget, to to perform. Sound familiar.

Also, you can look at his perceived ‘failures’ at Watford and West Brom. Firstly, you can be fired for nothing at Watford, literally nothing. They’re arguably a worse run club than ours. Secondly, West Brom sacked Ismael when he had them 6th and are currently out of the top 6 and managed by Mowbray!? Who none of us would want back.

fwiw - I think there’s potentially a very good manager in Ismael. We would’ve been delighted with him at the end of that season he had with Barnsley. The question is, is Rovers the right environment now? I would say Waggott and Suhail are banking on him being a bit more Barnsley, than Watford or West Brom.

Lets see!

Everyone will give him a chance if appointed Im sure.

I've enjoyed a lotvof your posts recently but it seems you (along with a certain red top journalist) are back in full PR mode for the Club.

Has Waggott been on a recruitment drive?

[Waggy76]

8 hours ago, Ghost7 said:

cheap cheap cheap and convenient.

No ambition, no plan, a plodder of a CEO and absent owners.

We would be better off going into administration , automatic relegation but no more Venkys !!!

[Mercer]

59 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Absolutely right.

This is a guy who has been out of work for almost 12 months.

A 3 year contract is not necessary - 'this is the deal, take it or leave it' should have been our stance.

Sadly, IMO, Ewood is a nous free zone where the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

 

54 minutes ago, Ricky said:

12 months? Wasn’t he only sacked by West Brom this season?

aah, Corberan was sacked this season, my bad. 

 

53 minutes ago, Torgeir said:

Watford less than a year ago.

Sacked by Watford 354 days ago on 9 March 2024 - if that is not "almost 12 months" then I don't know what is!

[martonrover]

4 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

I’m no Ismael fanboy. I don’t genuinely know how his teams play…

But, I really liked that Barnsley team that he had that season including Brittain, Callum Styles and Woodrow. I mentioned last season that I thought there were similarities to that Barnsley team and what McKenna was doing at Ipswich. A fast, ‘killer’ type of game plan. There’s no doubt he did a brilliant job at Barnsley in motivating a group of underdogs, on a small budget, to to perform. Sound familiar.

Also, you can look at his perceived ‘failures’ at Watford and West Brom. Firstly, you can be fired for nothing at Watford, literally nothing. They’re arguably a worse run club than ours. Secondly, West Brom sacked Ismael when he had them 6th and are currently out of the top 6 and managed by Mowbray!? Who none of us would want back.

fwiw - I think there’s potentially a very good manager in Ismael. We would’ve been delighted with him at the end of that season he had with Barnsley. The question is, is Rovers the right environment now? I would say Waggott and Suhail are banking on him being a bit more Barnsley, than Watford or West Brom.

Lets see!

All fair points.

It's still very frustrating that we could've done better, and are choosing not to pay for someone of higher calibre,, rather than not being able to afford them.

If Mr Nixon is right about it being a three year deal, that is surely madness.

Ismael simply can't lose, even if he's a disaster, and we will be stuck with him.

 

[Paul Mani]

56 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Everyone will give him a chance if appointed Im sure.

I've enjoyed a lotvof your posts recently but it seems you (along with a certain red top journalist) are back in full PR mode for the Club.

Has Waggott been on a recruitment drive?

likewise…I enjoy your posts..

I’ve met Steve a couple of times. He’s actually good company and very open (A little too open, imo). But I have no love for, or loyalty to him or Venkys.

I’m a Rovers fan, 1st and foremost. From what I see and hear, my full belief is that we have been in managed decline for a number of years. I believe Suhails brief was to make us less costly to his employers and to stem the bleed of cash. I’m praying this is for a sale.

In relation to the manager search, of course I would have liked Gerrard or Cooper. But honestly, I don’t buy into some of the negativity around Ismael. It’s easy, and lazy to  say “He’s been sacked from X, Y and Z” or “My mate Dave who lives with his cat in Solihull reckons he was shit at West Brom”. It’s a matter of opinion, and honestly, the season he had with Barnsley, I LOVED that team! They were all action. His stock was high, and I’m sure he was linked with several jobs, including a couple in the PL. The fact he was sacked at West Brom in 6th, and that anyone is sacked by Watford doesn’t worry me. Every manager has been sacked, right?

My only concern is if Ismael can motivate this group of players to somehow stay in the playoffs and, maybe just get us up. Promotion, imo is the only way we can stop the ‘downgrading’ of our beloved club. It’s also our biggest hope of ‘them lot’ selling us.

Over to you, Valerian…

Edited 9 hours ago by Paul Mani

[Paul Mani]

4 minutes ago, martonrover said:

All fair points.

It's still very frustrating that we could've done better, and are choosing not to pay for someone of higher calibre,, rather than not being able to afford them.

If Mr Nixon is right about it being a three year deal, that is surely madness.

Ismael simply can't lose, even if he's a disaster, and we will be stuck with him.

 

I’m not sure we can attract anyone of a higher calibre mate. It costs money that we’re not willing to spend and high profile managers want high profile budgets.

Let’s see what the contract ends up being. I reckon it might be 18 months with a 1yr extension trigger. With NO release clause! - That’s what I’d give him.

[RoversClitheroe]

2 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

I’ve met Steve a couple of times. He’s actually good company and very open (A little too open, imo). But I have no love for, or loyalty to him or Venkys.

Is that Steve the man who's caught lying a lot?

[MarkBRFC]

12 hours ago, Gav said:

Valérien Ismaëls season at Barnsley was phenomenal, he jumped ship too soon for me and bombed at West Brom.

Not sure he "bombed" there having them in the top 6.

5 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

West Brom sacked Ismael when he had them 6th and are currently out of the top 6 and managed by Mowbray!? Who none of us would want back.

West Brom are 5th, higher than us.

Edited 9 hours ago by MarkBRFC

[Torgeir]

7 minutes ago, Mercer said:

 

 

Sacked by Watford 354 days ago on 9 March 2024 - if that is not "almost 12 months" then I don't know what is!

Sure is.

I was mostly trying to clear up that Ricky had written WBA, when Ismael's previous employer was Watford.

[martonrover]

10 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

I’m not sure we can attract anyone of a higher calibre mate. It costs money that we’re not willing to spend and high profile managers want high profile budgets.

Let’s see what the contract ends up being. I reckon it might be 18 months with a 1yr extension trigger. With NO release clause! - That’s what I’d give him.

I'm sure we could if we paid the going rate.

We're not talking about established Premier League managers, just someone with a proven track record at this level or a bigger name seeking to re-establish themselves.

We certainly could've attracted a senior, high calibre manager until the end of the season to give us the best possible chance of promotion.

Giving someone with a mixed reputation and a history of short stays such a long deal is madness, and illustrates what numpties we have running the place.

Edited 9 hours ago by martonrover

[TurkishDelight]

Most managers can be adaptive and play the style of football the way their team is set up. 

[superniko]

I find it strange, if it's Ismael, why the hell has it not been announced yet?

No club, no payoff needed, obvious interest for 3 weeks from both parties. 

[MarkBRFC]

4 minutes ago, superniko said:

I find it strange, if it's Ismael, why the hell has it not been announced yet?

Nobody is bothered, that's why.

[Mercer]

It's quite clear there is much frustration amongst the fan base on the length of time this process is taking.  Eustace has been gone for over 2 weeks now (maybe 6 weeks or more in the heads of our exec. management).

Astounded by this bit from Jackson's article yesterday:

"Rovers interviewed candidates last week before narrowing down their options to a shortlist of around six".

So the week opens with a shortlist of 6 - God strewth!  Never in my career have I first interviewed in order to get to a shortlist of 6.  Just where the feck is the planning both medium and short term (there has to be some sort of contingency planning should you lose your manager/head coach - this is football and it happens regularly).  It all smacks, IMO, of a highly incompetent and dysfunctional excecutive management even frightened of their own shadows hence the inability to make a decision.

It is a total shambles.

Whoever is appointed, I wish them well but sadly, I think it is all going to end in disaster and tears.

[andyroversmad]

6 minutes ago, superniko said:

I find it strange, if it's Ismael, why the hell has it not been announced yet?

No club, no payoff needed, obvious interest for 3 weeks from both parties. 

I guess they was hoping we would beat Swansea so they can go for the cheapest option and give it to Lowe

[Paul Mani]

22 minutes ago, martonrover said:

I'm sure we could if we paid the going rate.

We're not talking about established Premier League managers, just someone with a proven track record at this level or a bigger name seeking to re-establish themselves.

We certainly could've attracted a senior, high calibre manager until the end of the season to give us the best possible chance of promotion.

Giving someone with a mixed reputation and a history of short stays such a long deal is madness, and illustrates what numpties we have running the place.

Probably best to see how this turns out, before we get too worked up? Surely…

[davulsukur]

So, Ismael it is then? 

Feels like a downgrade on Eustace, so Maggott and Co. have failed in that regard, the idea had to be to replace with a better manager. 

Could lightning strike twice for JE?

❌️ Sacked by Birmingham, Rooney takes them down ⬇️

🍂 Leaves Rovers, Ismael takes us down ⬇️ (next season) 

Feels like this could very well happen.

[superniko]

6 minutes ago, andyroversmad said:

I guess they was hoping we would beat Swansea so they can go for the cheapest option and give it to Lowe

Yeah, I did think that at the time, an obvious Swag move that.

[Paul Mani]

5 minutes ago, Mercer said:

It's quite clear there is much frustration amongst the fan base on the length of time this process is taking.  Eustace has been gone for over 2 weeks now (maybe 6 weeks or more in the heads of our exec. management).

Astounded by this bit from Jackson's article yesterday:

"Rovers interviewed candidates last week before narrowing down their options to a shortlist of around six".

So the week opens with a shortlist of 6 - God strewth!  Never in my career have I first interviewed in order to get to a shortlist of 6.  Just where the feck is the planning both medium and short term (there has to be some sort of contingency planning should you lose your manager/head coach - this is football and it happens regularly).  It all smacks, IMO, of a highly incompetent and dysfunctional excecutive management even frightened of their own shadows hence the inability to make a decision.

It is a total shambles.

Whoever is appointed, I wish them well but sadly, I think it is all going to end in disaster and tears.

Eh? How many people have you hired?

Leadership / Execs standard = wishlist plus applicants sift, get down to a midsize list 10x, first iv’s (online), Get 10 down to 5 and then do second interviews (f2f) for the final group. Review and select successful candidate / finalise. 2-4 weeks Standard process.

[chaddyrovers]

5 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Eh? How many people have you hired?

Leadership / Execs standard = wishlist plus applicants sift, get down to a midsize list 10x, first iv’s (online), Get 10 down to 5 and then do second interviews (f2f) for the final group. Review and select successful candidate / finalise. 2-4 weeks Standard process.

Exactly Paul, thats how it is works 

[lraC]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Exactly Paul, thats how it is works 

Well it didn't work like that, when Eustace was appointed.

[Paul Mani]

4 minutes ago, lraC said:

Well it didn't work like that, when Eustace was appointed.

And you know that, how?

Waggot hired JE. But the search and due dilligence was done whilst JDT was in post, after they decided to begin the process.

Edited 8 hours ago by Paul Mani

[Eddie]

2 hours ago, Mercer said:

Absolutely right.

This is a guy who has been out of work for almost 12 months.

A 3 year contract is not necessary - 'this is the deal, take it or leave it' should have been our stance.

Sadly, IMO, Ewood is a nous free zone where the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Can't really win on that front.

If we gave him an 18 month contract you'd have a ton on here saying that it showed a lack of commitment and that you need a manager who knows that he is part of the long-term plans of the club.

Then you give him a 3 year deal and you've got some saying that it is too much of a risk. 

[RoversClitheroe]

11 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

And you know that, how?

Waggot hired JE. But the search and due dilligence was done whilst JDT was in post, after they decided to begin the process.

Meanwhile Rovers knew Eustace wasn't happy and looking to leave.

Why didn't they do "the search and due diligence was done whilst" Eustace was in post?