New manager wishlist

[roversfan99]

Recruiting a football manager isnt really comparable to anything else.

[superniko]

26 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Eh? How many people have you hired?

Leadership / Execs standard = wishlist plus applicants sift, get down to a midsize list 10x, first iv’s (online), Get 10 down to 5 and then do second interviews (f2f) for the final group. Review and select successful candidate / finalise. 2-4 weeks Standard process.

This is a football club pal, not Apple.

One of the 'hiring managers' lets say, is an ex-player whose been in a 'business' role for barely a few days.

[Mercer]

40 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Eh? How many people have you hired?

Leadership / Execs standard = wishlist plus applicants sift, get down to a midsize list 10x, first iv’s (online), Get 10 down to 5 and then do second interviews (f2f) for the final group. Review and select successful candidate / finalise. 2-4 weeks Standard process.

Dozens across a 40+ years' professional career across industry, commerce and private practice.  Yep, I made a handful of mistakes but also appointed a lot of good guys and gals, 3 of whom made it 'big' and are presently directors (2 senior and 1 board) in FTSE 100 companies.

And you?

Edited 8 hours ago by Mercer

[ben_the_beast]

My initial feeling is that Ismael is one of the better candidates based on where we are as a club (the shitter). Keep things tight and a fairly direct style of play. Personally I loved JDT and thought he was the best manager we've had under Venkys. Even so, Eustice was a better fit for us with the style of play he implemented considering all the budget cuts. Ismael feels like a continuation.

For the life of me though, I can't see how it's taking so long. Football isn't like other businesses. For starters your work is on public display and a few quick phonecalls and you can find out 50% of what you need to know behind the scenes. We're lucky we pulled a couple of wins out the bag to keep us in the playoff race. Even then, it's Tuesday now. After the surrender at Swansea he should have been announced on Sunday to give a full week with the players. If reports are right Ismael genuinely is our top pick, the only delay I can think of is us haggling over minor details. Doesn't set a great impression of what's to come for the new manager and every day delayed is sabotaging an opportunity for 3 points at the weekend. It's gross incompetence that it's taken this long and is still ongoing. 

[Miller11]

20 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

And you know that, how?

Waggot hired JE. But the search and due dilligence was done whilst JDT was in post, after they decided to begin the process.

This is the crux of it. Waggott had complete autonomy to appoint Eustace. This time he is part of a committee including Suhail and Gestede.

[TheRevAshton]

Aware that i'm in the minority here, but i'll be happy with Valerian Ismael.

Wouldn't have been my first choice... but then again, Eustace wouldn't have been at the time we hired him either.

Ismael will no doubt be eager to prove himself. I can see him having a brilliant impact on the mentality of the group, and expect the more physical players to thrive under him - he's a good fit for the Club at this stage.

At this level - it's incredibly common for both managers and players to have some negatives on their CV, if they didn't then they'd quite simply be operating at a higher level.

Edited 8 hours ago by TheRevAshton

[chaddyrovers]

19 minutes ago, lraC said:

Well it didn't work like that, when Eustace was appointed.

Firstly, we were facing relegation under JDT, Maybe Rovers talk to other people, just didn't leak out. Plus other factors in my opinion 

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Recruiting a football manager isnt really comparable to anything else.

A football club is at the end of the dag a business and it needs to be run like that. 

[lraC]

31 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

And you know that, how?

Waggot hired JE. But the search and due dilligence was done whilst JDT was in post, after they decided to begin the process.

Really.

I will ask them same question of you then

And you know that, how?

So after deciding that JDT was going all of this happened.

Leadership / Execs standard = wishlist plus applicants sift, get down to a midsize list 10x, first iv’s (online), Get 10 down to 5 and then do second interviews (f2f) for the final group. Review and select successful candidate / finalise. 2-4 weeks.

WOW

 

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[CottonTownBoy]

I wouldn't worry about the getting sacked from Watford thing. Watford's 18 managers in the last 10 years, revolving door (honest, we know what we're doing) policy over the last 10 years doesn't have a bad roll call.

Slavisa Jokanovic.          Oct14 - Jun15.    Played 36     Win % 58.33 (Promoted to Premier League)

Quique Sanchez Flores. Jun15 - May16.   Played 44     Win % 36.36

Walter Mozzari.               Jul16 - May17.    Played 41      Win % 29.27

Marco Silva.                     May17 - Jan18.   Played 26     Win % 30.77

Javi Gracia.                     Jan18 - Sep19.    Played 66     Win % 37.88

Quique Sanchez Flores. Sep19 - Dec19.   Played 12      Win % 16.67

Hayden Mullins.              Dec19 - Dec19.   Played 2       Win % 0 (Caretaker)

Nigel Pearson.                Dec19 - Jul20.    Played 22      Win % 31.82

Hayden Mullins.             Jul20 - Jul20.      Played 2        Win % 0 (Caretaker)(Relegated)

Vladimir Ivic.                  Aug20 - Dec20.   Played 22      Win % 40.91

Xisco Munoz.                 Decl20 - Oct21.   Played 36      Win % 58.33 (Promoted to Premier League)

Clauidio Ranieri.            Oct21 - Jan22.     Played 14      Win % 14.29

Roy Hodgson.                Jan22 - May22.   Played 18      Win % 11.10 (Relegated)

Rob Edwards.                 May22 - Sep22.  Played 11       Win % 27.27

Slaven Bilic.                    Sep22 -Mar23.    Played 25     Win % 40.01

Chris Wilder.                   Mar23 - May23.  Played 11      Win % 27.27

Valerien Ismael.              May23 - Mar24.  Played 48     Win % 27.08

Tom Cleverley.                Mar24 - Present. Played 28     Win % 42.86

I wonder what their fans forum, "New manager wishlist" is like or whether they have simply given up to it.

[Gordon Ottershaw]

2 minutes ago, TheRevAshton said:

Aware that i'm in the minority here, but i'll be happy with Valerian Ismael.

Wouldn't have been my first choice... but then again, Eustace wouldn't have been at the time we hired him either.

Ismael will no doubt be eager to prove himself. I can see him having a brilliant impact on the mentality of the group, and expect the more physical players to thrive under him - he's a good fit for the Club at this stage.

At this level - it's incredibly common for both managers and players to have some negatives on their CV, if they didn't then they'd quite simply be operating at a higher level.

Loads of experience. A fairly uninspiring but safe 'ish'' appointment. Pretty much becoming a standard Venky managerial appointment in the mould of Mowbray and, to a lesser extent, Eustace. Nothing to get particularly excited about, Nothing to get particularly despondent about.

[Crimpshrine]

46 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Eh? How many people have you hired?

Leadership / Execs standard = wishlist plus applicants sift, get down to a midsize list 10x, first iv’s (online), Get 10 down to 5 and then do second interviews (f2f) for the final group. Review and select successful candidate / finalise. 2-4 weeks Standard process.

Not sure where this theory comes from.

Last time it took one phone call to Eustace and the deal was sealed before JDT was out of the building.  Nobody else was even considered. 

[lraC]

13 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

This is the crux of it. Waggott had complete autonomy to appoint Eustace. This time he is part of a committee including Suhail and Gestede.

But according to Paul Mani, it was a process that is followed by leadership Execs standards and was carried out, which JDT was still the manager.

Something must be amiss then?

[lraC]

Just now, Crimpshrine said:

Not sure where this theory comes from.

Last time it took one phone call to Eustace and the deal was sealed before JDT was out of the building.  Nobody else was even considered. 

It sees that Paul Mani knows more than you, me and Duncan Miller though. 

[Tricky]

Might be a hot favorite now, but any chance and hope it might not be Valérien Ismaël after all?

[lraC]

27 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Meanwhile Rovers knew Eustace wasn't happy and looking to leave.

Why didn't they do "the search and due diligence was done whilst" Eustace was in post?

Exactly this.

Something isn't quite adding up.

[davulsukur]

8 minutes ago, CottonTownBoy said:

I wouldn't worry about the getting sacked from Watford thing. Watford's 18 managers in the last 10 years, revolving door (honest, we know what we're doing) policy over the last 10 years doesn't have a bad roll call.

Slavisa Jokanovic.          Oct14 - Jun15.    Played 36     Win % 58.33 (Promoted to Premier League)

Quique Sanchez Flores. Jun15 - May16.   Played 44     Win % 36.36

Walter Mozzari.               Jul16 - May17.    Played 41      Win % 29.27

Marco Silva.                     May17 - Jan18.   Played 26     Win % 30.77

Javi Gracia.                     Jan18 - Sep19.    Played 66     Win % 37.88

Quique Sanchez Flores. Sep19 - Dec19.   Played 12      Win % 16.67

Hayden Mullins.              Dec19 - Dec19.   Played 2       Win % 0 (Caretaker)

Nigel Pearson.                Dec19 - Jul20.    Played 22      Win % 31.82

Hayden Mullins.             Jul20 - Jul20.      Played 2        Win % 0 (Caretaker)(Relegated)

Vladimir Ivic.                  Aug20 - Dec20.   Played 22      Win % 40.91

Xisco Munoz.                 Decl20 - Oct21.   Played 36      Win % 58.33 (Promoted to Premier League)

Clauidio Ranieri.            Oct21 - Jan22.     Played 14      Win % 14.29

Roy Hodgson.                Jan22 - May22.   Played 18      Win % 11.10 (Relegated)

Rob Edwards.                 May22 - Sep22.  Played 11       Win % 27.27

Slaven Bilic.                    Sep22 -Mar23.    Played 25     Win % 40.01

Chris Wilder.                   Mar23 - May23.  Played 11      Win % 27.27

Valerien Ismael.              May23 - Mar24.  Played 48     Win % 27.08

Tom Cleverley.                Mar24 - Present. Played 28     Win % 42.86

I wonder what their fans forum, "New manager wishlist" is like or whether they have simply given up to it.

Watford is always a special case, so I don't think that worries people too much. It's the 1 win in 10, which had 6 defeats, that cost him his job that is the concern. Wheels fell off and he obviously struggled to turn it around.

After he was sacked they lost only 2 in 9, albeit with 5 draws and only 2 wins but that's nearly double the points with a game less.

[davulsukur]

33 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Meanwhile Rovers knew Eustace wasn't happy and looking to leave.

Why didn't they do "the search and due diligence was done whilst" Eustace was in post?

Way too sensible and with some actual forward thinking/contingency planning.

Everything this lot have done for the last 12 months is incredibly short term.

[jim mk2]

36 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Meanwhile Rovers knew Eustace wasn't happy and looking to leave.

Why didn't they do "the search and due diligence was done whilst" Eustace was in post?

Crux of it and has been said many times before. They knew Eustace was leaving months ago and should have had the new manager sorted and announced within 7 days of him going. “Due diligence” is management speak for weakness and indecision

Edited 7 hours ago by jim mk2

[lraC]

21 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Firstly, we were facing relegation under JDT, Maybe Rovers talk to other people, just didn't leak out. Plus other factors in my opinion 

A football club is at the end of the dag a business and it needs to be run like that. 

You are spot on, we were facing relegation under JDT. This time, with Eustace, we are in with a chance of promotion to the premier league and the riches that will bring.

If it was done when bringing in Eustace, simply due to the threat of relegation, then why not this time, with the prize of a place, in the premier league on offer that the rewards that will bring.

Does something not seem a touch strange to you with this?

[Waggy76]

9 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Crux of it and has been said many times before. They knew Eustace was leaving months ago and should have had the new manager sorted and announced within 7 days of him going. “Due diligence” is management speak for weakness and indecision

Plus they are saving a wage !

[lraC]

9 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Crux of it and has been said many times before. They knew Eustace was leaving months ago and should have had the new manager sorted and announced within 7 days of him going

Exactly and given the practice they had 12 months ago, you would have thought they would have perfected it by now.

[JCRovers]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

A football club is at the end of the dag a business and it needs to be run like that. 

Problem is that the club is being run more like a clown show rather than a proper business. A manager / head coach role isn't exactly an entry position into a company in which 150 people happily can apply for and genuinely believe that they are qualified.

A proper way of handling a departing head coach would be to have a contingency plan in place, i.e. a list of say ten managers, contact their representatives to find out about their demands, narrow it down to 3-4 that matches with what the club is willing to pay, call them for interviews and then make a final decision a few days later. This process should have already started once rumours about Eustace going to WBA, Coventry, Wolves etc. started appearing in the press at the end of last year given how fragile the contract was (500K release-clause). But the club is always in a reactive state, never proactive.

Whether it regards player transfers or a new head coach, the club never behaves in a state of urgency with respect to the current situation, but will rather wait until the very last minute to make a cost-saving decision. 

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, lraC said:

You are spot on, we were facing relegation under JDT. This time, with Eustace, we are in with a chance of promotion to the premier league and the riches that will bring.

If it was done when bringing in Eustace, simply due to the threat of relegation, then why not this time, with the prize of a place, in the premier league on offer that the rewards that will bring.

Does something not seem a touch strange to you with this?

No. In my opinion, Waggott took control of the manager situation before that QPR game and in my opinion Eustace was interviewed and got the job. GB wasn't involved in that process. Sidelined in my opinion. 

I dont think anyone expected him to leave for Derby. Plus also Gestede and Owen also have a big say in this current head coach appointment in my opinion. Also Lowe winning back to back gave Rovers time to speak to a number of candidates before finalise their choice. 

[TonyM]

Reading the latest posts on the likely new manager and realised, that despite supporting Rovers for 50+ years, I really don't care anymore.

Very sad to feel like that, but true.

[lraC]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

No. In my opinion, Waggott took control of the manager situation before that QPR game and in my opinion Eustace was interviewed and got the job. GB wasn't involved in that process. Sidelined in my opinion. 

I dont think anyone expected him to leave for Derby. Plus also Gestede and Owen also have a big say in this current head coach appointment in my opinion. Also Lowe winning back to back gave Rovers time to speak to a number of candidates before finalise their choice. 

You may well be right about no one expecting him to leave for Derby, but by all accounts he was touting himself for almost every job that came up.

It also seems that he had offered his resignation over the summer and given his public displeasure at the January transfer business, do you not think someone at the club, should now be held responsible, for how long this is now taking

After all, in your words, we had Eustace lined up, when it was known that JDT was unhappy, so why not have someone lined up with time too, especially with the prize on offer.