New manager wishlist

[simongarnerisgod]

12 minutes ago, Tugayslongwalkoff said:

What is the theory that they don’t want us to be promoted? As in, what would be their motivation for not being promoted? 

who knows what goes on in venkyland and venky minds

maggot is content to sit on 300k a year for basically doing nothing,promotion would mess that up,the ground would need money spending on it,the playing staff would have a big turnover,every player would want more money,media interest would intensify etc etc etc,poor steve would have to actually do some work,which he is`nt used to

we`ve seen it with mowbray,jdt and eustace,as soon as we threaten the top six ,they either cut the budget,sell key players and don`t reinvest in the squad,i think they were quite happy with mowbray,who himself was content to sit in mid table forever,until he got us into the top two,then boom.no investment in the january window,they refuse to sell brereton for a big profit and 3  players worth a combined 10 million leave for nothing,it was obviously a big mistake for tony to reach the top two,they did`nt even speak to him after that and he left without any explanation

[roversfan99]

Promotion would likely lead to a massive bonus and/or pay rise for Waggott. And the financial benefits for the club would look great in terms of what is thought of him.

The budget has consistently been low for a while, summer and winter windows.

The owners just dont give a shit. Their sole focus is slashing costs. Often the most logical reason is the correct one.

[RevidgeBlue]

11 minutes ago, Ianrally said:

Wasn’t O’Neil sacked by Wolves? 
If so his contract was paid up and therefore he should be free to take a job where he likes. 

They often seem to get paid off over a period of years these days.

[RevidgeBlue]

34 minutes ago, Tugayslongwalkoff said:

What is the theory that they don’t want us to be promoted? As in, what would be their motivation for not being promoted? 

What is it in their conduct over the last few years that suggests to you either management or owners DO want promotion?

[JHRover]

19 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

who knows what goes on in venkyland and venky minds

maggot is content to sit on 300k a year for basically doing nothing,promotion would mess that up,the ground would need money spending on it,the playing staff would have a big turnover,every player would want more money,media interest would intensify etc etc etc,poor steve would have to actually do some work,which he is`nt used to

we`ve seen it with mowbray,jdt and eustace,as soon as we threaten the top six ,they either cut the budget,sell key players and don`t reinvest in the squad,i think they were quite happy with mowbray,who himself was content to sit in mid table forever,until he got us into the top two,then boom.no investment in the january window,they refuse to sell brereton for a big profit and 3  players worth a combined 10 million leave for nothing,it was obviously a big mistake for tony to reach the top two,they did`nt even speak to him after that and he left without any explanation

I also think that it was only heading into his final season that Mowbray took the handbrake off and 'went for it' knowing that his contract was running out and that it was all silent with regards to a renewal. He probably felt that a promotion push would make the Indians sit up and take notice and offer him a new long term deal. Then he realised that not even that was enough to re-engage the Indians or secure additional January backing and it petered out to nothing.

I think he was making a point to them to try and get them to offer him a new deal and when they didn't he felt insulted/betrayed. I think if he had been offered a new 2-3 year deal in summer 2021 ahead of that final season we'd have just plodded along again to a 12th placed finish.

[JHRover]

There's a difference of course between actively and deliberately taking steps to stop us getting promoted, and just being so utterly indifferent and disinterested that missing out on promotion becomes inevitable after repeatedly failing in January.

The outcome is the same either way, so it doesn't really matter, their actions (or lack of) holding the club back and will forever more. 

[Andy]

2 hours ago, JHRover said:

Wolves news: Gary O'Neil signs new four-year deal - BBC Sport

O'Neil signed a new improved 4 year Wolves deal in August that ran until 2028. 

Now unless something drastic is happening with that I suspect he will be due a sizeable chunk of money from Wolves and would forfeit some of it if he took a job at Venky Rovers.

I imagine his wage at Wolves will have also been way beyond what we are willing to pay here.

I wouldn't have thought that compensation works like that, surely?

Wolves broke the terms of the contract and made him redundant.

Gaining employment elsewhere shouldn't have any impact on this compensation.

Though I do agree with the final point; I can't imagine we'd be willing to pay anywhere near that level of salary he'd have likely been on.

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

What is wrong with interviewing potential candidates and find the right one? 

 

We need the right decision. 

The team has just win back to back wins. Its gives Gestede and Owen time to find the right head coach for us

A club in our position with a PL slot up for grabs within the next 3-4 months and having had a clearly unhappy / disgruntled manager since the start of the season should have a clear plan and idea of what to do next.

We're now 10 days on from Eustace speaking to Derby and still doing 'interviews' and if Nixon's list is remotely accurate it seems there is very little method to it other than a ragtag collection of desperate names and friendly faces of Waggott/Gestede.

A shambles. They're determined to fritter away the opportunity Eustace has left us with.

[Penwortham Blue]

5 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

I attended Gitex in Dubai in October last year as I work with a number of tech companies looking to raise capital and and grow their business.

I met an Indian company, who had an advisor with them. On introduction he said his name and that he was ‘independent’ as he worked for a High net worth Indian family called “The Venkys…you may know them from England as they own some football team…errrm…Blackburn”. Anyway, we spent and hour or so chatting about Rovers and Venkys as a well as investment.

Without going into details, he wasn’t disrespectful about us but the overriding feeling is that Rovers is no more important than 20 other businesses within their portfolio. Venkys have 10+ leaders who move around their portfolio and report directly into them. Suhail and this guy are two of that group. 

Strewth, surely you kept him as a contact? If it was me, I would have been harassing him ever since whilst trying to get to Pasha and the owners !

[Tugayslongwalkoff]

31 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

What is it in their conduct over the last few years that suggests to you either management or owners DO want promotion?

Nothing at all, which is why I haven’t mentioned that I think that. 
 

I do think there is credibility in the theory that they don’t want to tell so that nobody can see what skeletons are in the closet from the early years, I assume due diligence would throw up some surprises with any prospective new owner. 

[bigbrandjohn]

Our dilemma is a simple one. The shackles are off. Players are enjoying their game under a nice uncomplicated manager who has a good football brain and no pretensions. 

Anyone new will want to assert themselves. Thats how it works in business and sport. Nobody comes in and says, it is all fine as it is. Otherwise why would they be hired? 

I worry about a new manager's preconditioned style of play and their need to assert themselves. This could cause tension in the ranks and undo the good work of previous games. 

I hope the new manager listens to Professor Lowe and lets things flow.

We are in a solid play off position with the team playing for each other. 

I also hope the board takes its time choosing a new manager. That's our best chance of the feel good factor continuing and the points continuing to accrue.

 

 

 

[Ghost7]

I'd imagine the season objective in the summer and the budget provided would be the usual "enough to survive" in the Championship, would it not?

Currently the objective is to get in the playoffs.

I'd expect there to be a dramatic difference in the calibre of candidates now vs in the summer. It would be stupid not to capitalise on it and I don't trust the board to appoint a decent manager without having the playoff carrot to dangle. Why else would you choose to work with and for them now?

Or have I been on a different planet for the past 2 years?

[roversfan99]

Absolutely. Managers in the summer will be getting a squad where half of it has left and all of the key players are going into their last year. There will be a pitiful budget and a refusal to renew contracts.

But being 5th with a 4 point buffer on 7th, thats the incentive.

[waynerovers]

I still have no idea why they bought the club, or why they don't want to sell it. What are they getting out of this?

Considering Lowe has 2 victories under his belt out of 2 i'd be fine with him continuing till the end of the season. If we get promotion we'll have a better pool of managers to choose from in the summer.

Edited February 16 by waynerovers

[Herbie6590]

1 hour ago, Ianrally said:

Wasn’t O’Neil sacked by Wolves? 
If so his contract was paid up and therefore he should be free to take a job where he likes. 

That’s not how many contracts are structured these days. The fired manager often receives compensation until they find a new job. 

For example…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13646961/How-Chelsea-earn-windfall-Graham-Potter-succeeds-Gareth-Southgate-England-boss-Blues-obliged-pay-200-000-week-salary.html?ito=native_share_article-top

 

[Plastics]

2 minutes ago, waynerovers said:

I still have no idea why they bought the club, or why they don't want to sell it. What are they getting out of this?

Considering Lowe has 2 victories under his belt out of 2 i'd be fine with him continuing till the end of the season. If we get promotion we'll have a better pool of managers to choose from in the summer.

It's potentially just a status symbol and nothing else. Now, anyway. Perhaps they had bigger ideas for it (for themselves) before we got relegated.

[Herbie6590]

3 minutes ago, waynerovers said:

I still have no idea why they bought the club, or why they don't want to sell it. What are they getting out of this?

My theory: 

They bought us out of their global marketing budget…then didn’t launch Venky’s Xpress

We are so small in the great scheme of things that our numbers don’t move the dial at group level

They’re in now & can’t face admitting they failed…pride? 

They are delighted to hear from Suhail that we don’t need as much money these days 

[Herbie6590]

1 hour ago, Tugayslongwalkoff said:

What is the theory that they don’t want us to be promoted? As in, what would be their motivation for not being promoted? 

That it costs less to run a Championship club…which it does. But their only hope of getting any of their investment back is promotion. 
 

[simongarnerisgod]

15 minutes ago, waynerovers said:

I still have no idea why they bought the club, or why they don't want to sell it. What are they getting out of this?

riding on the massive popularity of the premier league,the two spoilt brats baloji and the other one,badgered mama to buy them a premier league football club.they then got bored of it and now we are were we are,i doubt venkys even bother to see how we are doing nowadays

[roversfan99]

27 minutes ago, waynerovers said:

I still have no idea why they bought the club, or why they don't want to sell it. What are they getting out of this?

Considering Lowe has 2 victories under his belt out of 2 i'd be fine with him continuing till the end of the season. If we get promotion we'll have a better pool of managers to choose from in the summer.

The chances of promotion are very slim, regardless of optimism/pessimism. The % chance of us getting in the play offs multiplied by the % chance of us being the best of those 4 teams is low.

So the likelihood is the mess of lots of players leaving, key players with a year left, a minimal budget etc are all there, without the incentive of being 5th with 13 games left. We are almost certainly a better proposition now than we will be in the summer.

Lowe deserves lots of credit but equally its an unusual situation where the players have a sense of injustice and an added motivation of the immediate departure of the manager.

[Upside Down]

29 minutes ago, Tugayslongwalkoff said:

Nothing at all, which is why I haven’t mentioned that I think that. 
 

I do think there is credibility in the theory that they don’t want to tell so that nobody can see what skeletons are in the closet from the early years, I assume due diligence would throw up some surprises with any prospective new owner. 

Obviously nobody but them knows for sure what their motivation is but there's a few too many coincidences for me that point to what you're saying being a possible truth.

Their involvement with Kentaro https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/swiss-authorities-say-seized-documents-from-sports-agency-in-fifa-probe/bb951slsq

Their current situation being under investigation https://m.economictimes.com/news/india/ed-seizes-over-rs-65-cr-of-venkateshwara-hatcheries-in-fema-probe/articleshow/103350355.cms by the Enforcement Directorate. https://dor.gov.in/ed-enforcement-directorate

There's always been something off about their ownership. From them deliberately relegating the club out of the premier league to the constant presence of agents, our current CEO being a prime example, and shadowy figures. It's highly rumoured that Suhail, the owner's representative, also had some involvement with Kentaro.

Usually when there's smoke, there's fire.

[LeftWinger]

25 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

That it costs less to run a Championship club…which it does. But their only hope of getting any of their investment back is promotion. 
 

That's like turning down a job with a 500% salary increase because it would cost you more in petrol.

[Roverthechimp]

3 hours ago, Tugayisgod said:

Over 150 applications would indicate that no one is being scared off by Venkys reputation. It's a pretty unique situation to have the chance to take over a club in the top six of the league at this stage of the season, and I would imagine plenty of top coaches/ managers would jump at the chance.

Personally not taking a bit of notice of the betting latest , as no one has a clue what the club is thinking.

 

I agree in theory - it is an exciting and somewhat unusual opportunity and SHOULD be very attractive for any half decent coach/manager who is currently out of work or looking to move upwards in the football world.

I just have zero faith in our management (and/or owners) not putting so many caveats and being too tight to offer a decent reward for promotion that "top" managers and coaches would say "forget it" after being messed about...

My hope is that if we recruit externally - we genuinely find another underrated coach that delivers beyond our expectations

[Roverthechimp]

17 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

That's like turning down a job with a 500% salary increase because it would cost you more in petrol.

Having known people spend 30 quid on petrol to save 10 quid on a product they would not be unique in this form of stupidity

[RevidgeBlue]

53 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

My theory: 

They bought us out of their global marketing budget…then didn’t launch Venky’s Xpress

We are so small in the great scheme of things that our numbers don’t move the dial at group level

They’re in now & can’t face admitting they failed…pride? 

They are delighted to hear from Suhail that we don’t need as much money these days 

Suspect you've nailed it there in as far as it's possible to do so Ian.

Excellent stuff on Talksport btw.