v Norwich City (h) - 1/3/2025

[RoversTilliDie]

18 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Hang on, he’s taken on a team in the top 6 and it’s not unreasonable to hope and expect he’ll keep us there. “Finishing as high as possible” - really? 

Don't get me wrong, we still have a big chance of making the top 6, if we can put a few wins together. It's not over till the finishing line.

[RoversTilliDie]

19 hours ago, Ghost7 said:

 

It would be nice if SKY or ITV bothered to show it as a highlight....

They're quick to show Norwich missing a couple of chances but not a major talking point against them.

Well said, no replay of the foul that was inside the box, which should have been a penalty.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 minutes ago, RoversTilliDie said:

It was harsh on Dennis from the useless referee, his 2nd yellow, he hardly made contact.

I’d been watching Rovers for two seasons before I saw my first sending off. Now you see sendings off regularly. Two in the Newcastle v Brighton game today for instance. The game is fast becoming a non contact sport.

[RoversTilliDie]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I’d been watching Rovers for two seasons before I saw my first sending off. Now you see sendings off regularly. Two in the Newcastle v Brighton game today for instance. The game is fast becoming a non contact sport.

The modern games for fairies, if you touch me it's a foul. I remember football in the late 60s and 70s, Bremner, Stiles, and Smith to name a few, hard players who gave and took some ferocious tackles.

[RoversTilliDie]

Remember this photo of Rovers winning the play offs. It would be fitting, if we could get there again this Season, and win it, in our centenary Season.

[aletheia]

Perhaps ferocious tackles were a compensation thing for being fairies.

[jim mk2]

19 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I’d been watching Rovers for two seasons before I saw my first sending off. Now you see sendings off regularly. Two in the Newcastle v Brighton game today for instance. The game is fast becoming a non contact sport.

I can only remember seeing one in the 1960s  - the infamous Mike Ferguson elbow against Coventry in 1967 (?). I can’t recall any others. They were so rare across football as a whole it had to be something serious such as violent conduct 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

46 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

I can only remember seeing one in the 1960s  - the infamous Mike Ferguson elbow against Coventry in 1967 (?). I can’t recall any others. They were so rare across football as a whole it had to be something serious such as violent conduct 

I can remember a few besides that one Jim. Mike England at the dingle dome after a running battle with Andy Lochead. Harry Gregg planting Mike England at Old Trafford. I’m pretty sure Big Clubs Trevor Hockey once got sent off at Ewood in a pretty fiery match in the late 1960’s.

As you say it was very, very rare in spite of the game being much more physical. You may have seen one per season. No way would Dennis been sent off back then, he might have got a booking. Then again the lad being fouled wouldn’t be making a meal of it either.

Edited 19 hours ago by Tyrone Shoelaces

[chaddyrovers]

 

 

[Songman]

I think with VAR Dennis is dismissed for the first tackle. The second was a harsh yellow.

[47er]

44 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I can remember a few besides that one Jim. Mike England at the dingle dome after a running battle with Andy Lochead. Harry Gregg planting Mike England at Old Trafford. I’m pretty sure Big Clubs Trevor Hockey once got sent off at Ewood in a pretty fiery match in the late 1960’s.

As you say it was very, very rare in spite of the game being much more physical. You may have seen one per season. No way would Dennis been sent off back then, he might have got a booking. Then again the lad being fouled wouldn’t be making a meal of it either.

I can remember Matt Woods being sent off for nothing. At Ewood, but can't think who the opposition were.

[Herbie6590]

4 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

What were Travis' stats?

Tronstad and Forshaw were playing two different positions yesterday - Forshaw was clearly playing further forward and trying to play progressive passes.

Tackles are misleading, especially for CMs. How many tackles did Carrick make in his career? It's mostly about interceptions in that position.

Not that I'm trying to say Forshaw is a patch on Tronstad, he's clearly not, but I thought he was solid yesterday. Certainly not the horrific player many have painted him out to be. 

Travis…

[Torgeir]

12 hours ago, Lancaster Rover said:

To be fair to eustace it was a passive press with hedges and Dolan curing off full backs and shadowing the pivot until they crossed into the middle third and then it became a more engaged press. Yesterday was horrible, whether that was a poorly executed JE press or a badly advised VI I don’t know 

And I think that's why we have started with those two as often as we have as well, because our shape defensively is better. I thought we were a bit too passive in letting them enjoy so much uncontested possession from the start, but we grew into the game in both halves and had taken over by the time Dennis received his marching orders. I'm glad we manage to contain their two aces upfront in the way that we did and avoid defeat. Hopefully we can go on a run now, with key players returning as well.

[RoversTilliDie]

2 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I can remember a few besides that one Jim. Mike England at the dingle dome after a running battle with Andy Lochead. Harry Gregg planting Mike England at Old Trafford. I’m pretty sure Big Clubs Trevor Hockey once got sent off at Ewood in a pretty fiery match in the late 1960’s.

As you say it was very, very rare in spite of the game being much more physical. You may have seen one per season. No way would Dennis been sent off back then, he might have got a booking. Then again the lad being fouled wouldn’t be making a meal of it either.

The modern game, you just fall over, and a player is yellow carded or sent off. Bring back the old days.

[Groundhog]

59 minutes ago, Torgeir said:

And I think that's why we have started with those two as often as we have as well, because our shape defensively is better. I thought we were a bit too passive in letting them enjoy so much uncontested possession from the start, but we grew into the game in both halves and had taken over by the time Dennis received his marching orders. I'm glad we manage to contain their two aces upfront in the way that we did and avoid defeat. Hopefully we can go on a run now, with key players returning as well.

It looked very messy and indecisive at times - but to give them the benefit of the doubt, I don't think we wanted to engage with them at all and play into their hands and commit ourselves and leave gaps - when we did we got picked off. They were technically superior on the ball and a better passing team, and were also capable of doing the JDT ball thing of going from box to box in 3 touches. Luckily for us they were also like JDT's Rovers in that they had little end product, they couldn't really shoot or were shot shy.

My main worries from the game were Kargbo leaving Ribeiro isolated and Dennis's body language, as a number have already pointed out. Players like him and Cantwell are going to have to realise that if they are coming down to our level from a "higher standard" that they can't expect players like Hyam to ping a 70 yard diagonal onto a plate for them, talking mainly about Dennis here. Demand the ball and point all you want, but don't remonstrate every time.

Edited 17 hours ago by Groundhog

[Exiled_Rover]

2 hours ago, Songman said:

I think with VAR Dennis is dismissed for the first tackle. The second was a harsh yellow.

He is, but that's part of the reason many are calling for the removal of VAR.

It's not a malicious or dangerous tackle on Chrisene - it's a genuine attempt to get the ball.

Yellow card is the correct call, but when you put it in super slow-mo it's a red because sadly that's the modern game.

[Exiled_Rover]

2 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:

Travis…

Why is that one more comprehensive than the other two you shared? A different database?

[Exiled_Rover]

51 minutes ago, Groundhog said:

It looked very messy and indecisive at times - but to give them the benefit of the doubt, I don't think we wanted to engage with them at all and play into their hands and commit ourselves and leave gaps - when we did we got picked off. They were technically superior on the ball and a better passing team, and were also capable of doing the JDT ball thing of going from box to box in 3 touches. Luckily for us they were also like JDT's Rovers in that they had little end product, they couldn't really shoot or were shot shy.

My main worries from the game were Kargbo leaving Ribeiro isolated and Dennis's body language, as a number have already pointed out. Players like him and Cantwell are going to have to realise that if they are coming down to our level from a "higher standard" that they can't expect players like Hyam to ping a 70 yard diagonal onto a plate for them, talking mainly about Dennis here. Demand the ball and point all you want, but don't remonstrate every time.

Interesting you say that because a large part of their attacking plan was Duffy pinging balls over the top to their runners.

[Herbie6590]

6 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Why is that one more comprehensive than the other two you shared? A different database?

No…FotMob - a very useful site…

[Atko's Engine]

18 hours ago, Mercer said:

To me, the match just confirmed what a very god job Eustace did with what was available.

We will do well to get back into the top 6 let alone win promotion.  Our lack of quality is obvious.

Negatives - Hyam's madness which will probably get him a 3 match ban, Dolan yet again - get him out of the building asap, Cantwell who is not going to be the mercurial talent we all hoped for, Forshaw who I don't think should be playing professional football and Dennis who I think is proving to be one almighty expensive mistake (to me, he could have got a straight red for his first offence).

Positives - good news we have Carter and Tronstad back and Kargbo who might develop into a decent player over the next 12 months.

As many of us thought, Ismael has a right job on his hands and I think it will get even worse next Saturday with Eustace getting his first win as Derby boss with Nyambe possibly being their surprise matchwinner - you couldn't script it!

If it happens, you just have!!

[jim mk2]

17 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I can remember a few besides that one Jim. Mike England at the dingle dome after a running battle with Andy Lochead. Harry Gregg planting Mike England at Old Trafford. I’m pretty sure Big Clubs Trevor Hockey once got sent off at Ewood in a pretty fiery match in the late 1960’s.

As you say it was very, very rare in spite of the game being much more physical. You may have seen one per season. No way would Dennis been sent off back then, he might have got a booking. Then again the lad being fouled wouldn’t be making a meal of it either.

 

Forgot the Trevor Hockey sending off - I was there that day.  Welsh international IIRC. He was a dirty player even by 1960s standards.