Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[chaddyrovers]

30 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You mentioned about 400 managers that you would have been happy with. Basically anyone you could think of that didnt have any connection to Burnley.

 

I give my opinions on different links and whether I would be happy or not. Instead you were no, no and no without even given one single name. So I suggested you calmed down. You cant answer the most question of whether you have a ST or not. You got yourself tight in knots over it. 

Edited 15 hours ago by chaddyrovers

[martonrover]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I know one thing about Ismael. Its a better appointment than having Travis and/or Tronstad as player manager!

Agreed, but other than that, @onlyonejackwalkerhas nailed it.

Maybe we’ll get lucky but, for many reasons, this looks a poor appointment.

[sharpysharps86]

It is far too early to judge Ismael....but that being said, I don't know whether its the timing of him coming in, the players seemingly choking in the first 7 minutes against bottom of the league, or whatever...but I've not taken a liking towards him at all so far.

I hope he ends up being brilliant, but I'm extremely doubtful. No real reason for it other than feeling cynical about where the club is and where it's heading. Only other thing I'd say is that I've not been overly convinced by him when speaking to the press. Seems quite an unlikeable type.

I am aware of the irony of this post where I've said its too early to judge the guy before then clearly judging him. C'est la vie.

Edited 14 hours ago by sharpysharps86

[Wheelton Blue]

IMO it doesn't matter who the manager is; the place is set up to fail and we'll at best tread water.

We can only hope that whoever is in the manager's seat has enough about them to keep us afloat. We're one bad manager away from oblivion.

[chaddyrovers]

It's way to early to judge Ismael after 2 games in my opinion. 

When have played 2 games and in the First game, he brought on subs who the game like Weimann, Tronstad and Ohashi that help us a point with an equaliser. He didn't tried to change to much but Norwich had a alot of ball. 

Second game, the players got bullied in the first 10 minute and it cost the game. He did moved to a back 3 when Kargbo came off. Which helps us and got us back into the game. Had Yuki scored with his chance, I dont think we lose that game, Second half after Gueye scored towards the end of the first half, we didn't put enough crosses into the box or get Brittain/Ribeiro higher up on the wings. 

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by chaddyrovers

[simongarnerisgod]

2 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

IMO it doesn't matter who the manager is; the place is set up to fail and we'll at best tread water.

We can only hope that whoever is in the manager's seat has enough about them to keep us afloat. We're one bad manager away from oblivion.

if it all goes completely messed up he`ll no doubt take the fans ire and not the two venkies stooges,maggot and pasha,i feel sorry for ismael tbh,he`s on a bad wicket at ewood,not even viv richards could bat on it😕

[Blow-in]

25 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

if it all goes completely messed up he`ll no doubt take the fans ire and not the two venkies stooges,maggot and pasha,i feel sorry for ismael tbh,he`s on a bad wicket at ewood,not even viv richards could bat on it😕

Don't worry, when it come to this club I have plenty of ire to go around.

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

It's way to early to judge Ismael after 2 games in my opinion. 

Out of interest when is it early enough to judge him?

10 games? End of the season? Next season? Xmas?

I think it is unlikely that he will be here by March 2026. Why? Well our record on managers outside of Mowbray and Bowyer (who got an audience in India) is very short. Berg/Appleton/Lambert/Coyle/JDT/Eustace - averaged what, well under a year each? Berg and Appleton about a month each, Lambert 6-7 months, Coyle 7 months, JDT 19 months but he was offering to leave after 12 and Eustace 12 months and he was offering to leave after earlier than that if reports of him applying for other jobs is true.

So that's 6 managers going back now 13 years under Venky ownership none of whom last very long.

The only exceptions those who got to go to India.

Add into that mix that Ismael himself has an extremely short lifespan at clubs. 8 different teams managed in 10 years, never lasting more than 1 season at a club and an average of 26 games in charge. That would cause me concern if he was coming into a normal club, which we are certainly not.

Combine all the above and I'd say it would be a miracle if he sees out a year or the 2025/26 season. 

When do you judge him during that time?

Is he allowed to lose the next 10 because it isn't his squad or at some point in that time do you criticise?

[roversfan99]

Its too early to judge Ismael.

Goes on to judge him and specifically highlight everything he has done right.

[Blow-in]

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

Out of interest when is it early enough to judge him?

10 games? End of the season? Next season? Xmas?

I think it is unlikely that he will be here by March 2026. Why? Well our record on managers outside of Mowbray and Bowyer (who got an audience in India) is very short. Berg/Appleton/Lambert/Coyle/JDT/Eustace - averaged what, well under a year each? Berg and Appleton about a month each, Lambert 6-7 months, Coyle 7 months, JDT 19 months but he was offering to leave after 12 and Eustace 12 months and he was offering to leave after earlier than that if reports of him applying for other jobs is true.

So that's 6 managers going back now 13 years under Venky ownership none of whom last very long.

The only exceptions those who got to go to India.

Add into that mix that Ismael himself has an extremely short lifespan at clubs. 8 different teams managed in 10 years, never lasting more than 1 season at a club and an average of 26 games in charge. That would cause me concern if he was coming into a normal club, which we are certainly not.

Combine all the above and I'd say it would be a miracle if he sees out a year or the 2025/26 season. 

When do you judge him during that time?

Is he allowed to lose the next 10 because it isn't his squad or at some point in that time do you criticise?

Based on the last 4 managers he is here till the end of his contract regardless of if he is in the Playoffs or working his way through the divisions like the cast of the move The Core.

I mean who cares, the wage budget decreases at the same ratio as the CEO Salary increases, we lose 20million regardless of what we do. I am convinced if BBR won the lottery we would somehow manage to acquire a loss of the equivilent value.

Who gives a fuck at this stage.

Edited 8 hours ago by Blow-in

[Exiled_Rover]

6 hours ago, sharpysharps86 said:

It is far too early to judge Ismael....but that being said, I don't know whether its the timing of him coming in, the players seemingly choking in the first 7 minutes against bottom of the league, or whatever...but I've not taken a liking towards him at all so far.

I hope he ends up being brilliant, but I'm extremely doubtful. No real reason for it other than feeling cynical about where the club is and where it's heading. Only other thing I'd say is that I've not been overly convinced by him when speaking to the press. Seems quite an unlikeable type.

I am aware of the irony of this post where I've said its too early to judge the guy before then clearly judging him. C'est la vie.

Yeah I haven't taken to him at all either.

Partly it was the ridiculous media campaign when he arrived (allez le bleu can get right in the bin!), partly because his track record is woeful apart from one season with Barnsley and partly cos he just seems like a prick. 

[lraC]

4 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Yeah I haven't taken to him at all either.

Partly it was the ridiculous media campaign when he arrived (allez le bleu can get right in the bin!), partly because his track record is woeful apart from one season with Barnsley and partly cos he just seems like a prick. 

I got criticized a fair bit on here, for my comments on his letter. To me, it was fine to rally the troops to a degree, but that letter seemed patronizing in the extreme and after the crazy goings on with the last 2 managers, he would have been better waiting, until he had some decent results under his belt, before coming out with any bullshit like that.

Given the last 2 years, he will only be given a very short period of time, to win the fans over, so not only for the club and the fans, the next 3 games are crucial. Win all 3 and he will have a firm base. Fail to win any of them and I think he will have a monster job on his hands.