Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[Mattyblue]

He’ll be ‘given a chance’ because he’s on a deal till 2028 and we don’t sack managers here (and the fans don’t particularly give them a hard time either).

He’ll never be ‘given a chance’ better than this…

[RoversClitheroe]

7 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

He’ll be ‘given a chance’ because he’s on a deal till 2028 and we don’t sack managers here (and the fans don’t particularly give them a hard time either).

He’ll never be ‘given a chance’ better than this…

I think we lose tonight he'll be booed.

[martonrover]

8 minutes ago, JHRover said:

You make out like these were achievements. WBA were fresh out of the PL and armed with cash and a strong squad. Being in the top 6 for such a side is not particularly impressive, and they were on the slide having been top after the first few months.

Watford is more difficult to judge given their turnover in managers and it is correct to point out that others like Wilder and Bilic have struggled there in recent seasons but again, I don't consider 9th for their squad to be anything to congratulate.

He’s dining out on one decent season at Barnsley.

His star as clearly fallen since then, and I’d be interested to know the calibre of the clubs he said had made him offers.

I don’t think we’d be talking about the top end of the Championship.

Maybe we’ll get lucky and he’ll be like Holloway at Blackpool.

Maybe we won’t.

[Mattyblue]

‘Ismael, sort it out’ is as hostile as it gets here.

Edited 4 hours ago by Mattyblue

[roversfan99]

41 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I haven't said anywhere he does everything right have I RF99??? 

The changed to the back 3 on Saturday helps the team and we were better structural and created chances. I made this point on Saturday night also backed by both people on the Arte Et Labore podcast which you mentioned when they agree with your point. They are also with my point that the Players got bullied within that first 5 mins and show no desire. So are we all wrong and you right? you tell me?

Looks look at his sackings, sacked at WBA when in the playoffs, is that now a sackable offence? and Watford were 9th, is that now a sackable offence? Have either club done better since he was sacked? 

 

For someone so keen to shoot down anyone coming to premature conclusions about Ismael.

You seem to very much have made up your mind on him already.

I dont think it was purely down to "desire" on Saturday although it would reflect badly on Ismael if it was. And I also dont think his change to a back 3 helped, it certainly didnt lead to us creating chances. We barely created anything all game.

20 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

I think we lose tonight he'll be booed.

He as an individual wont be. 

[davulsukur]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Neither were coming here when they are being paid PL salaries. 

So Allardyce, Mowbray, JDT and Eustace were all cheap out work managers that we've rescued off the scrap heap using your words you have 

How is Ismael cheap? cos he was out of work. so what? He got playoffs with Barnsley, sacked when in the playoffs places at WBA and 9th with Watford. Is that such a bad record. 

Look at Edwards who couldn't turned around the back spell and had Luton in bottom 3, but you seem very happy to appoint him and you see very against Ismael despite his record being decent enough 

Never mentioned any of those managers, so no idea why you brought them up. Of those you've named, only Mowbray was rescued off the scrap heap. JDT had success at his previous job, Allardyce had built a PL managerial career off saving clubs from relegation and JE was ludicrously sacked by Birmingham. I highly doubt Allardyce and JDT were "cheap" either, they will have commanded good salaries.

Ismael has failed at WBA, Watford and Besiktas. His only success is getting a play off spot with Barnsley years ago. 

He's cheap because even you've said that managers that command a decent salary won't come here, and it was backed up by your go to Journo in Nixon.

I actually didn't want Edwards tbf.

Edited 4 hours ago by davulsukur

[chaddyrovers]

38 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

For someone so keen to shoot down anyone coming to premature conclusions about Ismael.

You seem to very much have made up your mind on him already.

I was very open minded and this is the type of appointment I expected when Eustace left, People like Cooper and Edwards were never coming here when they are still being paid by previous clubs. 

Its been 2 games and I found some of the comments made by some people on Ismael is way over the top and to be honest some of it laughable comments. 

38 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont think it was purely down to "desire" on Saturday although it would reflect badly on Ismael if it was. And I also dont think his change to a back 3 helped, it certainly didnt lead to us creating chances. We barely created anything all game.

I posted my view which is what I said after the match on the way back and since. Plus backed up by others. 

No its on the players for that loss at Derby for disaster started but of course you and others wanted to dissolved the players of any responsibility and put it Ismael, which it was the case. 

The 3 at back clearly helped. Plenty of others have said it just not yourself for some reason 🙄. We created 2 brilliant chances and we scored for one. Second half, we didn't put enough good balls into the boxes and our wing backs were too deep and not taking their wing back on and putting a ball into the box.  

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

You make out like these were achievements. WBA were fresh out of the PL and armed with cash and a strong squad. Being in the top 6 for such a side is not particularly impressive, and they were on the slide having been top after the first few months.

Watford is more difficult to judge given their turnover in managers and it is correct to point out that others like Wilder and Bilic have struggled there in recent seasons but again, I don't consider 9th for their squad to be anything to congratulate.

No I haven't make anything out at all, but that's the way you are looking at my opinion. I have posted the league positions was when WBA and Watford sacked him and posted that neither club have improve since sacking him. 

 

[chaddyrovers]

39 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Never mentioned any of those managers, so no idea why you brought them up. Of those you've named, only Mowbray was rescued off the scrap heap. JDT had success at his previous job, Allardyce had built a PL managerial career off saving clubs from relegation and JE was ludicrously sacked by Birmingham. I highly doubt Allardyce and JDT were "cheap" either, they will have commanded good salaries.

Ismael has failed at WBA, Watford and Besiktas. His only success is getting a play off spot with Barnsley years ago. 

He's cheap because even you've said that managers that command a decent salary won't come here, and it was backed up by your go to Journo in Nixon.

I actually didn't want Edwards tbf.

cos they were all on the unemployed as was your point. 

How did he failed at WBA when they were in playoffs place? if that's a failure, I give up with you 

Watford were 9th and done no better since sacking him, so how is that a failure? 

Cooper was never coming here, he can relax and pick up his salary without the stress and be very careful who his next club is he manages. 

I don;t think JDT was paid anymore than Eustace was either. 

I think 600k is more than decent enough salary for our head coach but nowhere will it be for a PL manager who is probably on double that amount.  

[Mattyblue]

It’s ’more than decent’ if it’s the going rate for a top 6 Championship manager, is it?

[RoversClitheroe]

24 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Its been 2 games and I found some of the comments made by some people on Ismael is way over the top and to be honest some of it laughable comments. 

Sounds like you're happy about Saturday then.

The players wanted it too much so that's why we lost right Chaddy?

[martonrover]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

‘Ismael, sort it out’ is as hostile as it gets here.

Don’t forget, “I don’t care about Venkys, they don’t care about me. 
Now let’s go home for our tea”.

[London blue]

51 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

How did he failed at WBA when they were in playoffs place? if that's a failure, I give up with you 

Watford were 9th and done no better since sacking him, so how is that a failure? 

He. Was. Fired. From. Both. Jobs.

[davulsukur]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

cos they were all on the unemployed as was your point. 

How did he failed at WBA when they were in playoffs place? if that's a failure, I give up with you 

Watford were 9th and done no better since sacking him, so how is that a failure? 

Cooper was never coming here, he can relax and pick up his salary without the stress and be very careful who his next club is he manages. 

I don;t think JDT was paid anymore than Eustace was either. 

I think 600k is more than decent enough salary for our head coach but nowhere will it be for a PL manager who is probably on double that amount.  

No, that wasn't my point at all, it was just one of the criteria that was used to select the next manager. There are good managers out of work all the time. It doesn't mean that they are on the scrapheap.

Cooper would have come here, if we offered him an attractive enough package i'm sure.

If he didn't fail at WBA, why did they sack him?

[roversfan99]

Hes beyond reasoning it seems. So to clarify:

- he wasnt an appointment dictated in any way by a low budget as what we offer is very competitive

- he did a good job everywhere hes been and everytime hes been sacked, it was the wrong decision

- his tactics are in no way responsible for 1 points in 2 games

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

I was very open minded and this is the type of appointment I expected when Eustace left, People like Cooper and Edwards were never coming here when they are still being paid by previous clubs. 

Its been 2 games and I found some of the comments made by some people on Ismael is way over the top and to be honest some of it laughable comments. 

I posted my view which is what I said after the match on the way back and since. Plus backed up by others. 

No its on the players for that loss at Derby for disaster started but of course you and others wanted to dissolved the players of any responsibility and put it Ismael, which it was the case. 

The 3 at back clearly helped. Plenty of others have said it just not yourself for some reason 🙄. We created 2 brilliant chances and we scored for one. Second half, we didn't put enough good balls into the boxes and our wing backs were too deep and not taking their wing back on and putting a ball into the box.  

So our wing backs were too deep and we didnt put enough (lets be honest, any) good balls in. Isnt that at least partly down to the managers tactics?

We created 2 chances in 75 minutes with the back 3. Most of the time we spent passing across the backline lacking urgency and with a lack of balance in the team. And Sanderson came on and should have killed the game with a bit of dreadful defending.

Obviously the players take a share of the blame. I dont put it down to a lack of passion but if it was, its the responsibility of Ismael to motivate them. It was just dreadful defending and goalkeeping. Its the players AND the manager who take the overall blame. For you, 100% players.

[London blue]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Hes beyond reasoning it seems. So to clarify:

- he wasnt an appointment dictated in any way by a low budget as what we offer is very competitive

- he did a good job everywhere hes been and everytime hes been sacked, it was the wrong decision

- his tactics are in no way responsible for 1 points in 2 games

The reverse of which will be true in 6 months when we're looking for a new manager.

[roversfan99]

Just now, London blue said:

The reverse of which will be true in 6 months when we're looking for a new manager.

As we saw with Eustace and his nasty comments, Tomasson who "in hindsight" got all of his tactics wrong after he left and Mowbray who again messed up the tactics.

[chaddyrovers]

36 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Cooper would have come here, if we offered him an attractive enough package i'm sure.

we have to agree to disagree here, 

36 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

If he didn't fail at WBA, why did they sack him?

Why would you sack a head coach when in the playoffs place is beyond me but WBA haven't done any better so maybe they should have stuck with him

[chaddyrovers]

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Hes beyond reasoning it seems. So to clarify:

- he wasnt an appointment dictated in any way by a low budget as what we offer is very competitive

- he did a good job everywhere hes been and everytime hes been sacked, it was the wrong decision

- his tactics are in no way responsible for 1 points in 2 games

I haven't said he has done a good job have I but his record is much better than you give him credit for but how you can complained about anyone is beyond me to be quite honest. playoffs place with Barnsley, sacked in the playoffs at WBA and 9th at Watford, whilst you r own choice Rob Edwards took his side towards the bottom of the league and couldn't get a tune out of his team despite most of them being in the PL but yet you thought he was the right fit for this job is beyond me. Maybe you could tell us why you wanted Rob Edwards here? 

His appointment was dictated because he will be head coach and accept that role and fits within what Rovers want whilst Gestede and Owen run the recruitment side of the club. 

12 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

So our wing backs were too deep and we didnt put enough (lets be honest, any) good balls in. Isnt that at least partly down to the managers tactics?

We created 2 chances in 75 minutes with the back 3. Most of the time we spent passing across the backline lacking urgency and with a lack of balance in the team. And Sanderson came on and should have killed the game with a bit of dreadful defending.

Obviously the players take a share of the blame. I dont put it down to a lack of passion but if it was, its the responsibility of Ismael to motivate them. It was just dreadful defending and goalkeeping. Its the players AND the manager who take the overall blame. For you, 100% players.

I posted my thoughts of the Derby game post match and on Saturday. Yes Ismael will take some of the blame for Saturday but when your keeper flaps like he did and yours defenders can't do basic and simple defending and let Derby bullied them. 

The team was better balance when we played 3 the backs than 4 at the backs cos the Derby front 2 Hyam and Carter couldn't deal with it. 3 at the back gave us better balance. The team didn't lack balance after going 3 at the back so please explained and how wasn't it. 

Saturday defeat was mainly down to the players not defending properly in the first 7 minutes so How don't know how you can't see that but you are entlted your opinion even tho I disagree. Its wasn't Ismael who flapped at the ball for the first or not defending properly for the second goal. It was basic defending for Jesus Christ. 

16 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

As we saw with Eustace and his nasty comments, Tomasson who "in hindsight" got all of his tactics wrong after he left and Mowbray who again messed up the tactics.

 no-one said nasty comments RF99 so if you are going to accuse me of something please be accurate, but some fans had problems with how Eustace left and his comments over the Derby approach, You clearly didn't but why am I not surprised with you. 

On JDT, I can hold my hands up and say I was wrong. 

On Mowbray, I have been over this issue time after time but sadly you loved going back in time so try to show up were right don't you over you loved for Mowbray. 

[onlyonejackwalker]

15 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Yeah I haven't taken to him at all either.

Partly it was the ridiculous media campaign when he arrived (allez le bleu can get right in the bin!), partly because his track record is woeful apart from one season with Barnsley and partly cos he just seems like a prick. 

Whenever you have a problem you have an opportunity. Our problem was the manager had sodded off. The opportunity was to galvanise the club and take advantage of our unexpected lofty league position.

We needed immediate impact from someone with gravitas, standing, credence and credibility. A proven track record in the UK at this level, or above. Or a left field inspired appointment to catch a moment in time. We did neither.

No one would have criticised a short term appointment targeted solely at promotion. We would have welcomed it.

And now, if my feelings are anything to go by, we are all tired, frustrated and a tad exhausted having invested a lot into the season. So imagine how the players feel.

[islander200]

3 hours ago, JHRover said:

You make out like these were achievements. WBA were fresh out of the PL and armed with cash and a strong squad. Being in the top 6 for such a side is not particularly impressive, and they were on the slide having been top after the first few months.

Watford is more difficult to judge given their turnover in managers and it is correct to point out that others like Wilder and Bilic have struggled there in recent seasons but again, I don't consider 9th for their squad to be anything to congratulate.

They ain't achievements. 

But people are saying things like "Ismaels awful record " and "did shit in his other jobs"

 

.Results in all his jobs over here and at Besiktas were not awful.Im not assed about style of play.Judging him on results alone at his last 4 jobs, it isn't an awful record

[Mercer]

Think we've picked a total wrong one - IMO, a devisive figure full of bullsh1t; can you imagine the outcry if Coyley or Keano had put the loss down to us 'wanting it too much'.  

 

[Mattyblue]

34 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

His appointment was dictated because he will be head coach and accept that role and fits within what Rovers want whilst Gestede and Owen run the recruitment side of the club. 

 

What is it that Rovers (whoever that is, Suhail, presumably) want?

[RoversClitheroe]

15 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Think we've picked a total wrong one - IMO, a devisive figure full of bullsh1t; can you imagine the outcry if Coyley or Keano had put the loss down to us 'wanting it too much'.  

 

One of the worst quotes I've ever seen, professional sport and losing a game because of wanting it too much.

Absolutely mental, terrible appointment unfortunately.

Have to say I'm extremely nervous at the drop off in Brittain in the last game. One of our best performers. I am of the view he doesn't rate playing under Valerian.

Edited 1 hour ago by RoversClitheroe