Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[davulsukur]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

we have to agree to disagree here, 

Why would you sack a head coach when in the playoffs place is beyond me but WBA haven't done any better so maybe they should have stuck with him

Clearly the expectation from WBA was to be pushing for automatic promotion, which he was failing to deliver. They wouldn't sack him unless he was failing in the job.

[islander200]

1 minute ago, davulsukur said:

Clearly the expectation from WBA was to be pushing for automatic promotion, which he was failing to deliver. They wouldn't sack him unless he was failing in the job.

They sacked him when they were 5th ,8 points off 2nd in February. 

They finished the season 10th and many more points than 8 behind 2nd.

Coberan who they loved didn't get them promoted either after Bruce.

[roverblue]

Rovers need a win tonight but this guy especially does.

We have looked really poor since he has come in, the intensity of play has become very passive and our basic defending gone to pot.

He fluffed it on Saturday against bottom of the league and Stoke aren't much further up.

[RoversClitheroe]

19 minutes ago, roverblue said:

Rovers need a win tonight but this guy especially does.

We have looked really poor since he has come in, the intensity of play has become very passive and our basic defending gone to pot.

He fluffed it on Saturday against bottom of the league and Stoke aren't much further up.

Yep spot on.

Devoid of any idea since he's come in

[chaddyrovers]

41 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

What is it that Rovers (whoever that is, Suhail, presumably) want?

a head coach that will recruitment mainly mainly to Gestede, Owen and the recruitment team to find the players and trust their judgement

[chaddyrovers]

31 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Clearly the expectation from WBA was to be pushing for automatic promotion, which he was failing to deliver. They wouldn't sack him unless he was failing in the job.

failing? top 6 and you are sacking him. Did sacking him improve result or league position? no it didn't, League position and results went worst

have they achieve that promotion? No

Islanders200 has added the league positions and league position. 

So I will say is sacking him whilst in playoff place failure? not for me, WBA panicked again

[Mattyblue]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

a head coach that will recruitment mainly mainly to Gestede, Owen and the recruitment team to find the players and trust their judgement

Do you think that’s the right set up and people for Blackburn Rovers?

[simongarnerisgod]

1 minute ago, Mattyblue said:

Do you think that’s the right set up and people for Blackburn Rovers?

no,it`s not right for any club,it should be the manager who has the final say on recruiting players

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, RoversClitheroe said:

One of the worst quotes I've ever seen, professional sport and losing a game because of wanting it too much.

Absolutely mental, terrible appointment unfortunately.

Have to say I'm extremely nervous at the drop off in Brittain in the last game. One of our best performers. I am of the view he doesn't rate playing under Valerian.

I wasnt convinced by the appointment and obviously his first 2 results have been poor.

"Mental" and "terrible" though, you aren't half going over the top. Already concluding that a player who has done really well under him in the past is against him now based on one poor performance. And picking apart his press conferences and reacting to throw away comments as if hes said something really offence. 

Is this weird and sudden u turn from hyping up his record when he was linked to seemingly thinking he is a dreadful, sackworthy appointment after 2 games, all based on your mate saying he was dreadful in a season where he got Barnsley into 5th, with any of your own critical thinking left to one side because this guy "played at a decent level?"

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

a head coach that will recruitment mainly mainly to Gestede, Owen and the recruitment team to find the players and trust their judgement

How do you know he is willing to essentially be submissive in terms of recruitment and just take whatever players hes given? And why is that a good thing?

[islander200]

1 hour ago, RoversClitheroe said:

One of the worst quotes I've ever seen, professional sport and losing a game because of wanting it too much.

Absolutely mental, terrible appointment unfortunately.

Have to say I'm extremely nervous at the drop off in Brittain in the last game. One of our best performers. I am of the view he doesn't rate playing under Valerian.

I suggest you watch this 

Quite clear Brittain wasn't dissapointed with Ismaels appointment. No doubt il get a reply saying "what's he supposed to say". Brittain is speaking truthfully in this interview 

 

[Mattyblue]

Be quite the turn up if a player slagged off the manager on the club’s official video feed.

[islander200]

4 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Be quite the turn up if a player slagged off the manager on the club’s official video feed.

No but his body language is saying the same.

Plus his best season at Championship level came under Ismael.

Player has a bad game...it must mean he doesn't like the new manager 

 

[Mattyblue]

Fair enough if the body language says it too.

I’m sure Brittain has a lot of time for him… but we’ll hear nothing but positives from the players about him, regardless of results, until the day he leaves.

[roversfan99]

Interviews like that mean nothing in that regard, even if you are a body language expert.

But how anyone could come to the conclusion that he ISNT happy with him based on one bad performance, considering he has had a very good season under him before is utter rubbish.

 

[rigger]

57 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Interviews like that mean nothing in that regard, even if you are a body language expert.

But how anyone could come to the conclusion that he ISNT happy with him based on one bad performance, considering he has had a very good season under him before is utter rubbish.

 

If having a bad game means you dislike someone. Pears must hate everyone in Blackburn.

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Do you think that’s the right set up and people for Blackburn Rovers?

Yes I do think the set up is right for Rovers or for any football club. The head coach build a team, coaching them and in charge of results, and also gets involve in transfer at the final stage when choosing the player we go for off the shortlist. The head coach needs to trust the recruitment staff and lets them finding the players we need. For example, if the head coach says I need a pacey left winger then let the scouts find players and then present you a shortlist. The head coach watches the clips of each players plus read the scouting reports from our scouts with the director of football and head of scouting then decide on who he(head coach) wants from that shortlist. 

People? you mean Gestede, Owen and Ismael plus the recruitment staff? 

2 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

no,it`s not right for any club,it should be the manager who has the final say on recruiting players

a head coach which most are, don't have time to scout players and take trips overseas scouting players, that why you need a Director of football running the recruitment side with the scouts finding and scouting players before allowing the head coach to pick the player off the shortlist present to them. 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

How do you know he is willing to essentially be submissive in terms of recruitment and just take whatever players hes given? And why is that a good thing?

I don't know, but looking at the situation and in my opinion, he took the job and if you look at Unleaded comments about the problems behind the scenes about recruitment and everything. Did you not read them? did John Park and his team do that bad in finding players in the summer? Also when does the head coach have time to scout players and find players? 

 

[Mattyblue]

Should Gestede be in a senior position at Blackburn Rovers? And if so, why?

[simongarnerisgod]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

a head coach which most are, don't have time to scout players and take trips overseas scouting players, that why you need a Director of football running the recruitment side with the scouts finding and scouting players before allowing the head coach to pick the player off the shortlist present to them

not suggesting he flies round scouting players,just the final yes or no having been presented with the scouting report

[chaddyrovers]

17 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

not suggesting he flies round scouting players,just the final yes or no having been presented with the scouting report

agreed there. Are you suggesting that Eustace didn't have final say on transfers? cos I don't that was the case, but in my opinion it was unhappy at not signing his own players targets and didn't have a lot of faith in our scouting team. Eustace wants a full control and that was one of the main reasons he want to Derby. 

[chaddyrovers]

28 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Should Gestede be in a senior position at Blackburn Rovers? And if so, why?

great question. 

I think personally we need someone with greater experience in that role and experience in the Rovers's head of football operations who has dealt with agents, scouting, recruitment, etc. which nothing against Gestede and his role. 

I do think Gestede has done well in the head of football operations role this season in terms of recruitment, I don't think we have done badly in terms of signings quality players but I do think Rovers did badly in not recruiting a number 1 keeper in the summer. I do think Gestede should have done an interview post the January window with Rovers TV, Radio Lancs and and Lancs Lancs. I also think that he or the CEO should have done an interview with Rovers TV post Eustace leaving to explained what the situation was, why Eustace left and the process of the next head coach would be plus the quality they were looking for. Rovers should be alot more transparent about what the head of football operations role and what Gestede has done since coming in. 

[simongarnerisgod]

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

agreed there. Are you suggesting that Eustace didn't have final say on transfers? cos I don't that was the case, but in my opinion it was unhappy at not signing his own players targets and didn't have a lot of faith in our scouting team. Eustace wants a full control and that was one of the main reasons he want to Derby. 

i think parke was the one who was clued up on players,when he left it was clear no one in the scouting dept had a clue,hence our january window and the "significant investment" of agents phoning the club offering their clients,you can`t tell me that eustace would want to sign

dennis,who has`nt played since april

woodrow,who is past his best

forshaw,an arthritic old duffer

kargbo,who is promising but will take a while to get used to english football

[Leonard Venkhater]

1 hour ago, rigger said:

If having a bad game means you dislike someone. Pears must hate everyone in Blackburn.

Hahahahahaha

[RoversClitheroe]

 I just can't believe he wants playoffs.

I also can't believe he selected that team.

[Wheelton Blue]

51 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

great question. 

I think personally we need someone with greater experience in that role and experience in the Rovers's head of football operations who has dealt with agents, scouting, recruitment, etc. which nothing against Gestede and his role. 

I do think Gestede has done well in the head of football operations role this season in terms of recruitment, I don't think we have done badly in terms of signings quality players but I do think Rovers did badly in not recruiting a number 1 keeper in the summer. I do think Gestede should have done an interview post the January window with Rovers TV, Radio Lancs and and Lancs Lancs. I also think that he or the CEO should have done an interview with Rovers TV post Eustace leaving to explained what the situation was, why Eustace left and the process of the next head coach would be plus the quality they were looking for. Rovers should be alot more transparent about what the head of football operations role and what Gestede has done since coming in. 

So you think 'Gestede has done well', but that the club should have been 'alot more transparent....about what Gestede has done'.

So which is it?

[chaddyrovers]

41 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

i think parke was the one who was clued up on players,when he left it was clear no one in the scouting dept had a clue,hence our january window and the "significant investment" of agents phoning the club offering their clients,

I think it was team effort with Park, Gestede and Owen being responseible for the signings and Eustace getting players like Baker and Weimann. 

41 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

you can`t tell me that eustace would want to sign

dennis,who has`nt played since april

woodrow,who is past his best

forshaw,an arthritic old duffer

kargbo,who is promising but will take a while to get used to english football

we wanted Karbgo in the summer according to reports, think he has shown plenty of potential. 

Was Eustace ever going to get players in like Bamford or McBurnie or Wallace really? realistic not or in the case of Wallace, no way was Mowbray letting him go when he was appointed there