Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[bigbrandjohn]

"The players need time to adjust to a new coach's methods."

Cruise control definitely hit for the rest of the season. 

Then he can rebuild the team until he is potted after 15 games next season. 

"Will it go around in circles 🎼🎶"

[Upside Down]

4 hours ago, bigbrandjohn said:

"The players need time to adjust to a new coach's methods."

Cruise control definitely hit for the rest of the season. 

Then he can rebuild the team until he is potted after 15 games next season. 

"Will it go around in circles 🎼🎶"

He won't get potted.

[bigbrandjohn]

13 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

He won't get potted.

Relegation place after 15 games, position untenable to fans or Venkys. Probably pot Gestede as well. 

[Mattyblue]

They’ve only sacked one manager, Coyle (and that was months too late), in ten years.

If he does by some miracle get potted when the owners see him nicely sitting on a contract till 2028, it will be far too late to salvage the season.
 

[chaddyrovers]

12 hours ago, Hasta said:

Not really.

Yes Really. I'm not going to that issue has you know the story. 

12 hours ago, Hasta said:

Ismael still had players from West Brom’s premier league campaign, they still, had parachute moneys and spent £8million on a striker. Therefore expectations were quite rightly high. Theyy were 2nd favourites to win the league that season. They had been in the top 3 most of the season until December and then started playing poorly and had dropped to 6th. So it wasn’t really as ‘shit’ a decision as you say.

They haven’t done any better since because for the last couple of years they’ve spent little and almost gone bust.

If all you are basing the decision to sack him as being ‘shit’ on is purely because they were 6th at the time, then the Kean point stands.

Yes Dike was signed and he is still there now. They were in the playoffs place when sacked and if they had stuck with him, they could have finish in the playoffs and won it, instead they didn't cos Bruce couldn't get them playoffs. 

WBA since he left have still signed quality players on free transfers like Wallace and Swift or low fees like Thomas-Asante and Molumby. 

Appointing Corberan was a very good decision

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The other argument is that managers havent finished higher than where Ismael was mid season since.

Ismael had those clubs at stronger points than those since. West Brom as you say had just gone down, they finished the season Ismael left with Steve Bruce. Once they wasted that season, it naturally gets harder and harder to compete at the top and they have had financial issues since. The squad Cleverley got at Watford was weaker too.

That WBA squad has quality players in the squad when Corberan left for Valencia that should be top 6. 

Edited Sunday at 08:33 by chaddyrovers

[roversfan99]

So Ismael has done an excellent job in all 3 Championship clubs that he has been in, and his 2 sackings were unjust.

Amazing that he hadnt been snapped up before he came here and that we even considered anyone else.

[Hasta]

The story of Valerien Ismael sacking and West Broms only choice

Practically to a man the West Brom fan base and journalists knew his time was up and the direction of travel was downwards. I’ve never seen that article but it matches pretty much what one of my West Brom’s supporting suppliers tells me of his time at The Hawthorne’s. 
 

Here’s a Watford one:-

Nine league games without a win at home since November 28 during which time they lost six can only really take you in one direction.

 

Edited Sunday at 10:57 by Hasta

[roversfan99]

Its incredible revisionism to now have people suggesting that West Brom and Watford were wrong to sack him. Delusion. 

[M_B]

Looks like Stokegate has been replaced by Baggiegate.

[lraC]

1 hour ago, Hasta said:

The story of Valerien Ismael sacking and West Broms only choice

Practically to a man the West Brom fan base and journalists knew his time was up and the direction of travel was downwards. I’ve never seen that article but it matches pretty much what one of my West Brom’s supporting suppliers tells me of his time at The Hawthorne’s. 
 

Here’s a Watford one:-

Nine league games without a win at home since November 28 during which time they lost six can only really take you in one direction.

 

Interesting comments by the Watford fans.

Lets hope he has improved since last March, as we have a few centenary season tickets, to offload.

An exciting appointment like this with a vow to play possession based entertaining football, should mean they fly off the shelves. 

[martonrover]

1 hour ago, Hasta said:

The story of Valerien Ismael sacking and West Broms only choice

Practically to a man the West Brom fan base and journalists knew his time was up and the direction of travel was downwards. I’ve never seen that article but it matches pretty much what one of my West Brom’s supporting suppliers tells me of his time at The Hawthorne’s. 
 

Here’s a Watford one:-

Nine league games without a win at home since November 28 during which time they lost six can only really take you in one direction.

 

A sensible, ambitious, well run club does it's homework and investigates the timings / circumstances of departures from previous clubs.

Luckily for Ismael, we're exactly the opposite and even bonkers enough to offer him a long contract.

"C'est magnifique".

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

So Ismael has done an excellent job in all 3 Championship clubs that he has been in, and his 2 sackings were unjust.

Amazing that he hadnt been snapped up before he came here and that we even considered anyone else.

Never said excellent job did I? those are your words not mine. 

You couldn't even one name and tied yourselves into knots, I named the final 2 candidates from what was reported at the start of the process. I also posted to yourself the candidates I would have liked to interview. You didn't do that did you? 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Its incredible revisionism to now have people suggesting that West Brom and Watford were wrong to sack him. Delusion. 

No its people have their own opinion and not based on a biased opinion from their fans. 

[ruggles1995]

If we dont win a game for the rest of the season (which easily can happen) I dont think he gets sacked. I know its only 4 games but the signs arent great. Its not like we've looked good. We actually look lost at times, almost like kids football, massive gaps between defence, midfield and attack, desperation football, brain dead football. Even under our bad spell under Eustace we at least had a plan and looked like we had some shape. Also its probably the most easiest things to implement as a coach, sit in be tight and be organised. Under Frenchy we half heartedly press, some players go, some players dont know if they should, then its all just all over the place like kids football. I think we might win 1 game between now and end of season. I dont reckon he will get sacked even if we dont win any. I reckon he will get the first 10 games of next season if it still carrys on bad. Its going to be a host of foreigners and cheapy unknowns in the summer, which is why they have bought in a manger who can speak other languages and is cheap. 

[BlackburnEnd75]

2 hours ago, ruggles1995 said:

If we dont win a game for the rest of the season (which easily can happen) I dont think he gets sacked. I know its only 4 games but the signs arent great. Its not like we've looked good. We actually look lost at times, almost like kids football, massive gaps between defence, midfield and attack, desperation football, brain dead football. Even under our bad spell under Eustace we at least had a plan and looked like we had some shape. Also its probably the most easiest things to implement as a coach, sit in be tight and be organised. Under Frenchy we half heartedly press, some players go, some players dont know if they should, then its all just all over the place like kids football. I think we might win 1 game between now and end of season. I dont reckon he will get sacked even if we dont win any. I reckon he will get the first 10 games of next season if it still carrys on bad. Its going to be a host of foreigners and cheapy unknowns in the summer, which is why they have bought in a manger who can speak other languages and is cheap. 

It's madness but the board have entirely created this situation:

They created the conditions that led to eustace jumping ship for a team in the bottom 3.

They then picked the wrong manager

They then gave him a 3 and half year deal when were likely to be heading backwards(to a manager not in a position to demand such a good contract). Rendering the manager unsackable.

Gestede, waggott, pasha all idiots, fools and chancers.

 

[rigger]

21 minutes ago, BlackburnEnd75 said:

It's madness but the board have entirely created this situation:

They created the conditions that led to eustace jumping ship for a team in the bottom 3.

They then picked the wrong manager

They then gave him a 3 and half year deal when were likely to be heading backwards(to a manager not in a position to demand such a good contract). Rendering the manager unsackable.

Gestede, waggott, pasha all idiots, fools and chancers.

 

I agree on chancers.

[davulsukur]

3 hours ago, ruggles1995 said:

If we dont win a game for the rest of the season (which easily can happen) I dont think he gets sacked. I know its only 4 games but the signs arent great. Its not like we've looked good. We actually look lost at times, almost like kids football, massive gaps between defence, midfield and attack, desperation football, brain dead football. Even under our bad spell under Eustace we at least had a plan and looked like we had some shape. Also its probably the most easiest things to implement as a coach, sit in be tight and be organised. Under Frenchy we half heartedly press, some players go, some players dont know if they should, then its all just all over the place like kids football. I think we might win 1 game between now and end of season. I dont reckon he will get sacked even if we dont win any. I reckon he will get the first 10 games of next season if it still carrys on bad. Its going to be a host of foreigners and cheapy unknowns in the summer, which is why they have bought in a manger who can speak other languages and is cheap. 

He's not getting sacked this season, irrespective of results.

I'd be inclined to believe he'd keep his job regardless of results next season. The aim, is back to being a championship club and developing young players for future profit.

If we are rock bottom and being cut adrift, he'd probably go but it'll be too late by that point anyway