Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[CaptainBeanfart]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont see why Luton would care if he plays or not to be fair. Just happy someone was desperate enough to contribute to his wages.

Will more than likely be the case for a player of his age. I imagine the case might be different for Beck and ACD. 

Also, "penalties" isn't really the right way to look at it. It's usually the case that the parent club will pay a greater % of the wages if the player is playing, because they get something out of that situation. If the player doesn't play then the borrower covers more of the wages. 

Edited Monday at 10:00 by CaptainBeanfart

[joey_big_nose]

39 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

His position wont become untenable because theres absolutely no chance that he gets sacked either way. We arent going to pay up 3 years of his contract.

Just like the club wont cease to exist with a year as you again implied the other day. 

Agreed, the madness here was offering him such a long deal.

What would make sense is when offering a contract to a manager is to have points  clause where if a certain low number of points accrued activates a mutual termination if not hit (say an average of under a point a game over 30 games).

I know a decent manager wouldn't go for it, but if we can't afford to sack managers then we have to be going for a model like that and take a risk on someone who accepts it.

Tieing ourselves to long contracts with no exit is not something we can accept.

All I can hope is we have something like that in place, and that offering such a long deal is the result of having a safeguard like that as part of the arrangement...

[lraC]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Good for you. 

Ismael had a pathetic record in his last 2 jobs? Don't agree. WBA were in the playoffs when he was sacked and Watford were 9th when sacked. Pathetic record? Not for me. More than decent enough. 

Ismael and Wagner were the final 2 candidates from reports, and I both of the would be the sort of options Rovers would look at instead of British head coach. 

Who says any team selected by Ismael has been interfere with?.who the source? 

Watford sacked him when he had won one in his last 12 matches. That’s 4 wins if that was the form over a season, that’s pathetic in my book, but clearly not yours.

WBA sacked him for 12 wins in 32 when they were favorites for promotion. Not as pathetic as his Watford Gig but pathetic non the less, in my opinion. 

League position is irrelevant, as if we sack Ismael at the end of the season, if he wins no more games, it would be one win in 12 like Watford, but he had us higher than last season.

My source was a former player, who I afraid I can’t name, but he is still close to the club and has told me, it is not unusual. 

[Tugayisgod]

Have to give him the rest of the season to see if things improve (I'm not hopeful)

If not, the club has to cut it's losses and get shut, it obviously hasn't worked. We can't afford to go into the transfer window looking at VI's targets if he only gets a few games into the New season before he's gone.

Admit your mistake, and look for a new manager in the Summer

Edited Monday at 11:40 by Tugayisgod

[martonrover]

1 hour ago, Tugayisgod said:

Have to give him the rest of the season to see if things improve (I'm not hopeful)

If not, the club has to cut it's losses and get shut, it obviously hasn't worked. We can't afford to go into the transfer window looking at VI's targets if he only gets a few games into the New season before he's gone.

Admit your mistake, and look for a new manager in the Summer

I'll be pleasantly amazed if he's not here in August.

As for the transfer targets, they will be chosen by 'tools down' Gestede.

 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, lraC said:

Watford sacked him when he had won one in his last 12 matches. That’s 4 wins if that was the form over a season, that’s pathetic in my book, but clearly not yours.

WBA sacked him for 12 wins in 32 when they were favorites for promotion. Not as pathetic as his Watford Gig but pathetic non the less, in my opinion. 

League position is irrelevant, as if we sack Ismael at the end of the season, if he wins no more games, it would be one win in 12 like Watford, but he had us higher than last season.

I know all the stats about that. I researched into that and I don't agree league position is irrelevant 

1 hour ago, lraC said:

My source was a former player, who I afraid I can’t name, but he is still close to the club and has told me, it is not unusual. 

oki doki then

 

[JHRover]

His average tenure at a club is about 26 games. That goes back 10 years at Nurnberg, Wolfsburg, Apollon, LASK, Barnsley, WBA, Besiktas and Watford. He has only made it to 1 year in charge at one of those 8 clubs, LASK, where he made it to 14 months. 

So fortunately for those of us that have very serious doubts and concerns about his capabilities we've only got a few more weeks/months and then based on the above he is likely to be off.

(I am being sarcastic because rather than proceed with caution based on the above we simply handed him a 3.5 year deal and are a  club that do not sack people based on performance). 

[lraC]

12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I know all the stats about that. I researched into that and I don't agree league position is irrelevant 

oki doki then

 

By the way Watford were in 13th after the one win in 12 not 9th when he was sacked. 

 

[lraC]

[lraC]

I wonder if we will get a happy Easter in a few weeks?

[K-Hod]

26 minutes ago, lraC said:

I wonder if we will get a happy Easter in a few weeks?

We usually do, to be fair.

[martonrover]

1 hour ago, lraC said:

By the way Watford were in 13th after the one win in 12 not 9th when he was sacked. 

 

and the bare stats don’t tell the full story.

The amount of time in post (ie not much) and circumstances / situation preceding Ismael’s sackings at WBA and Watford should also have been scrutinised by our clown show.

Add to that, he never looked to be the right fit for us, anyway, especially to follow on from Eustace.

Chalk and cheese.

We really needed a well respected, senior figure until the end of the season , to give us the best chance of success, and then re-assess.

The only other logical alternative would’ve been to go for someone whose star is rising.

Ismael ticked none of the right boxes, and the long contract was the cherry on top of the shit cake.

The only positive is that his utter uselessness has brutally exposed how  bad things really are, and has brought things to a head again.

 

Edited Monday at 14:54 by martonrover

[waynerovers]

If he's still here at the beginning of next season I'll be checking out of the championship until he's gone.

[lraC]

3 hours ago, martonrover said:

and the bare stats don’t tell the full story.

The amount of time in post (ie not much) and circumstances / situation preceding Ismael’s sackings at WBA and Watford should also have been scrutinised by our clown show.

Add to that, he never looked to be the right fit for us, anyway, especially to follow on from Eustace.

Chalk and cheese.

We really needed a well respected, senior figure until the end of the season , to give us the best chance of success, and then re-assess.

The only other logical alternative would’ve been to go for someone whose star is rising.

Ismael ticked none of the right boxes, and the long contract was the cherry on top of the shit cake.

The only positive is that his utter uselessness has brutally exposed how  bad things really are, and has brought things to a head again.

 

Yet, we have a poster, who thinks my comments that his record in his last two jobs was pathetic, is unfair. 

[lraC]

4 hours ago, K-Hod said:

We usually do, to be fair.

Fair enough. 

[sharpysharps86]

53 minutes ago, waynerovers said:

If he's still here at the beginning of next season I'll be checking out of the championship until he's gone.

Rovers will be checking out of the Championship too!

[simongarnerisgod]

1 hour ago, waynerovers said:

If he's still here at the beginning of next season I'll be checking out of the championship until he's gone.

he`ll be gone by next december when we are adrift and the summer rebuild has backfired in a monstrously bad way

[Mattyblue]

December 2026 when adrift in League 1? Sounds about right.

[neophox]

Ismael has been terrible...he's got five games got one point in the last minute against poor opposition....he should be sacked that's enough. He's lacking the passion and knowledge needed. Terrible appointment. A manager I his downfall...sure this will be his last big club and he will go away with a three year salary.

Edited Monday at 19:25 by neophox

[speeeeeeedie]

Per Wikipedia, here are his overall managerial stats. His Watford tenure is a very Mowbray-like 1 win, 1 draw,1 loss average. His total win record in England is 34%. Overseas it's close to 60%. Why did he get a 3+ year deal? 

[neophox]

Think Kyle McFadzean would had been a better shot for the coach role.

[lraC]

15 minutes ago, speeeeeeedie said:

Per Wikipedia, here are his overall managerial stats. His Watford tenure is a very Mowbray-like 1 win, 1 draw,1 loss average. His total win record in England is 34%. Overseas it's close to 60%. Why did he get a 3+ year deal? 

He was cheaper than the original choice, who Waggott had signed off. Pasha overruled him.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, lraC said:

Yet, we have a poster, who thinks my comments that his record in his last two jobs was pathetic, is unfair. 

I think some of your comments have been unfair and nothing to back it up like Forshaw has to play which hasn't bare out there. 

6 minutes ago, lraC said:

He was cheaper than the original choice, who Waggott had signed off. Pasha overruled him.

who was the original choice given both Alan Nixon and Elliott Jackson have reported, so can you name him? 

[Tomphil2]

O'Neil

[chaddyrovers]

5 hours ago, martonrover said:

and the bare stats don’t tell the full story.

The amount of time in post (ie not much) and circumstances / situation preceding Ismael’s sackings at WBA and Watford should also have been scrutinised by our clown show.

Add to that, he never looked to be the right fit for us, anyway, especially to follow on from Eustace.

Or Maybe Rovers were looking for a different head coach and a head coach who will listen and accept the recruitment team who suggested signings and not come up with their own sgnings

5 hours ago, martonrover said:

Chalk and cheese.

We really needed a well respected, senior figure until the end of the season , to give us the best chance of success, and then re-assess.

did we? what happens if that gone the same way, your opinion would be the other way. 

5 hours ago, martonrover said:

The only other logical alternative would’ve been to go for someone whose star is rising.

rising star? very few fit this type of appointment and we seen Stoke try this and went nowhere or Joe Edwards at Millwall 

or do we take risk on a head coach in league 1 or 2 and what would happens if all went pear shape, you would here criticising them for that, so tbh the club could do nothing right unless they appoint a Warnock or Allardyce who you wanted despite Warnock being 76 years old and Allardyce being 70 years old.