Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[Waggy76]

9 minutes ago, KentExile said:

 

But why do I get the feeling that he will be here until the season ends, and then a replacement will not be signed up until July.  Giving them a ready made (but still terrible) excuse as to why they didn't do any early transfer business

I think we will see on Tuesday night , I expect us to lose again to Sheffield Wednesday , then is job is untenable !

[DE.]

If they get rid now they'll look like absolute clowns (well, even more than usual) after literally just doing those sit downs talking about how Ismael ticked all the boxes, top bloke, etc. Rudy's position in particular would become instantly untenable (if not here then anywhere else - not that he'd be tenable in this position at many other places to begin with). 

If there's any hope of giving him the boot I feel it's more likely be further towards the end of the season when more time has passed. 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

10 hours ago, booth said:

Manufactured decline.

[Silas]

3 minutes ago, DE. said:

If they get rid now they'll look like absolute clowns (well, even more than usual) after literally just doing those sit downs talking about how Ismael ticked all the boxes, top bloke, etc. Rudy's position in particular would become instantly untenable (if not here then anywhere else - not that he'd be tenable in this position at many other places to begin with). 

If there's any hope of giving him the boot I feel it's more likely be further towards the end of the season when more time has passed. 

I was thinking the same.

Probably in a minority here, but I'd settle for it. 3 months stretches to 25th May, 3 weeks after season end.

Limp to the finish of another miserable campaign, (for so many reasons on and off the pitch), then send him on his way.

Opportunity for a massive overhaul in the summer of playing staff, hopefully under a new component manager. It's a slim glimmer of hope I can grasp onto. 

[Waggy76]

18 minutes ago, DE. said:

If they get rid now they'll look like absolute clowns (well, even more than usual) after literally just doing those sit downs talking about how Ismael ticked all the boxes, top bloke, etc. Rudy's position in particular would become instantly untenable (if not here then anywhere else - not that he'd be tenable in this position at many other places to begin with). 

If there's any hope of giving him the boot I feel it's more likely be further towards the end of the season when more time has passed. 

I understand , what you are saying .

Personally , I prefer both Ismael and Gestede to be sacked before noon today !

[DE.]

16 minutes ago, Silas said:

I was thinking the same.

Probably in a minority here, but I'd settle for it. 3 months stretches to 25th May, 3 weeks after season end.

Limp to the finish of another miserable campaign, (for so many reasons on and off the pitch), then send him on his way.

Opportunity for a massive overhaul in the summer of playing staff, hopefully under a new component manager. It's a slim glimmer of hope I can grasp onto. 

The season is over now. Ideas of planning for the summer with a new manager asap are nice in theory, but forget the reality of what our club is now and who is driving the ship. We'll be a circus whether Ismael is sacked now or in two months, and at this point we're only getting chancers and desperados in. We had a chance of attracting a top name this time around due to our league position - next season we'll rightly be favourites to go down unless the budget massively increases along with boardroom competency.

Nobody who cares about their reputation is going to want to touch us. There will still be tons of applicants as it's a championship club position, but it'll be another gamble at best, and the same people will still be running the show above the manager regardless. 

Until Venky's leave this is just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. They have to go before we have any hope of recovery.

Edited 11 hours ago by DE.

[DE.]

5 minutes ago, Waggy76 said:

I understand , what you are saying .

Personally , I prefer both Ismael and Gestede to be sacked before noon today !

Me too, I just doubt it will happen. 

[martonrover]

1 hour ago, Waggy76 said:

I think we will see on Tuesday night , I expect us to lose again to Sheffield Wednesday , then is job is untenable !

I can see us winning that, because they are as big of a basket case as we are.

If we do, the clowns will be claiming that we’ve turned the corner.

 

[Inferi]

Ismael comes across as clueless and arrogant and has the charisma of a potato. The performances and results have been pathetic and he doesn't seem to accept any responsibility for it. "The players lack confidence and it's out of my control". "Injuries blah blah blah". Shocking decision to hire him.

[martonrover]

5 minutes ago, Inferi said:

Ismael comes across as clueless and arrogant and has the charisma of a potato. The performances and results have been pathetic and he doesn't seem to accept any responsibility for it. "The players lack confidence and it's out of my control". "Injuries blah blah blah". Shocking decision to hire him.

It was absolutely obvious he wasn’t the right fit, especially to follow on from the Eustace approach.

That goes beyond looking at stats and performance at other clubs.

If it’s true about the three month break clause, I wouldn’t be amazed if they shook hands on his release within days.

 

[sharpysharps86]

If the 3 month break clause is true and Rovers don't have to pay compo to part ways before the end of that then surely you'd think it has to end soon with this guy.

Thoroughly unlikeable and clearly a bad coach.

[CambridgeRover]

Even if we sack him, the clowns in charge will get another 100 applicants and still get the cheapest, most desperate sod to come

[dallydally]

1 hour ago, DE. said:

Me too, I just doubt it will happen. 

Doubt? It won't - end of

 

[Neal]

I see Ismael as a necessary evil to bring the real issues of the club into the spotlight. 

 

He's done exactly that and simultaneously highlighted how shit the "board" are at their job because they're the ones who took forever to find a manager and this is what they came up with. 

 

Absolute clown shoes 🤣😂

[arbitro]

2 hours ago, KentExile said:

If that is the case, then we need to bin him off asap, every second he is here is a wasted one

Absolutely but if they did invoke that clause it would mean that the three stooges would be admitting they got it wrong.

And that is the main reason why I don't think it will happen.

[martonrover]

8 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Absolutely but if they did invoke that clause it would mean that the three stooges would be admitting they got it wrong.

And that is the main reason why I don't think it will happen.

I don’t know. They are now under enormous pressure, so it could well be a case of “kick the cat”. 

11 minutes ago, Neal said:

I see Ismael as a necessary evil to bring the real issues of the club into the spotlight. 

 

He's done exactly that and simultaneously highlighted how shit the "board" are at their job because they're the ones who took forever to find a manager and this is what they came up with. 

 

Absolute clown shoes 🤣😂

Agreed. 
Both Eustace walking out, and this clown being hired have exposed how bad things really are.

Eustace was polishing a turd.

[Norbert Rassragr]

3 hours ago, G Somerset Rover said:

Ismael out / Rooney in.

That would not surprise me. To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if Russell Brand, Willie Mullins (as in the racehorse trainer), Miriam Margoyles or the Chuckle Brother who's still alive replaces Ismael.

[chaddyrovers]

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Sorry, I thought you meant that Ismael deserves respect for doing good jobs at other clubs.

Means what it says. Fair play for saying that Ismael needs to go rather than potentially sticking to your guns as you have in the past.

No I was talking Berg and his achievements since leaving Ewood Park. Berg played a massive part in success we achieved in winning the PL under King Kenny, and promotion/winning the league cup under Graeme Souness 

I think Ismael would suit this squad in terms getting more crosses into the box, suited Gueye, etc. But the last 5 games have been car crash especially the Derby away game and last night start of the game annoyed me massively but that fact he was motionless on the touchline and not even shouting at the players like some previous head coaches/managers would have done. He has no passion on the touchline. 

3 hours ago, arbitro said:

I don't think he is going anytime soon though given that he seems to be best mates with Gestede.

is he best mates with Gestede? someone last night before the game, was saying that Ismael and Gestede have a heated argument in the first week after his appointment and I don't whether it true or not, but has anyone heard similar rumours? 

He also said that Gary O'Neil was Waggott and Gestede choice to replace Eustace but Ismael was Pasha's choice, whether this is true I don't know

I do agree that I don't expect him to be sack and I think he will still be our head coach come the first game next season

[chaddyrovers]

10 minutes ago, martonrover said:

They are now under enormous pressure, so it could well be a case of “kick the cat”. 

from who? 

[Hullrover]

3 hours ago, KentExile said:

 

We can but hope

The sad thing is, that he is probably not in the top 75% of things/people wrong with the club

But it would be a start

Keep it simple. Do it on the 8th May.

[arbitro]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

No I was talking Berg and his achievements since leaving Ewood Park. Berg played a massive part in success we achieved in winning the PL under King Kenny, and promotion/winning the league cup under Graeme Souness 

I think Ismael would suit this squad in terms getting more crosses into the box, suited Gueye, etc. But the last 5 games have been car crash especially the Derby away game and last night start of the game annoyed me massively but that fact he was motionless on the touchline and not even shouting at the players like some previous head coaches/managers would have done. He has no passion on the touchline. 

is he best mates with Gestede? someone last night before the game, was saying that Ismael and Gestede have a heated argument in the first week after his appointment and I don't whether it true or not, but has anyone heard similar rumours? 

He also said that Gary O'Neil was Waggott and Gestede choice to replace Eustace but Ismael was Pasha's choice, whether this is true I don't know

I do agree that I don't expect him to be sack and I think he will still be our head coach come the first game next season

It was said last week that they were friends from some time back.

Gestede was bigging him up in the interview they did last week.

The story I heard was that Eustace had been marginalised by Pasha and Gestede but Waggott wanted to support him.

[JHRover]

The name of the game for Waggott and Suhail is to keep their own gravy train rides going with minimal aggro/hassle/attention on them whilst meeting their 'targets' i.e. getting people buying tickets.

Much of what has gone on over the years is about deluding the fans into thinking there is a plan, strategy, future, ambition. There isn't, most are realising that now, but the art of the con is to keep people focused on whichever fall guys they have installed - Mowbray, Venus, Broughton, JDT, Eustace, Park, Owen, Gestede etc. These people are effectively used by the two stooges as human shields to handle the fans, players and media whilst the two stooges go about doing whatever it is they are tasked with doing by the owners.

They've got away with it since Mowbray went - they were lucky in the first place with him because he handled all the press etc. and his journey to nowhere kept people distracted. When he left the trouble started more because they needed someone to fill that void whilst putting up with the Venky nonsense - not easy. Broughton and JDT gave up on it quickly after realising the truth, as did Eustace and Park. 

They have got themselves into a real tight corner now with Ismael because results and performances are both consistently atrocious. They've tried diverting attention onto next season and the fabled 'rebuild' which we all know by now is just another opportunity to slash the wage bill and sell a few more assets, but the problem they have is that we are 6 games into Ismael with another 6 to come and results are unrelentingly bad, almost unheard of for a new manager walking into a top 6 side. 

Ordinarily I'd say zero chance of this guy getting sacked any time soon, but part of me thinks that with the way results are and the direction things are going with the fans, and most importantly the heat and focus on the boardroom, these two stooges will not be able to cope with it and would do anything to turn the attention away from them and India.

We saw it with JDT's departure - the minute he turned the media focus onto the shadow man and India he was out - they don't like it - and won't like what is happening right now and will know if results continue like this it will only get worse. They're deluded enough to think that a managerial change will provide a sideshow to divert attention away from the other stuff. In some cases they will be right. 

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49 minutes ago, CambridgeRover said:

Even if we sack him, the clowns in charge will get another 100 applicants and still get the cheapest, most desperate sod to come

Let Lowe see out the season

[martonrover]

21 minutes ago, ... said:

Let Lowe see out the season

They will probably end up giving him the job.

The zombies will like that.

[lraC]

29 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

No I was talking Berg and his achievements since leaving Ewood Park. Berg played a massive part in success we achieved in winning the PL under King Kenny, and promotion/winning the league cup under Graeme Souness 

I think Ismael would suit this squad in terms getting more crosses into the box, suited Gueye, etc. But the last 5 games have been car crash especially the Derby away game and last night start of the game annoyed me massively but that fact he was motionless on the touchline and not even shouting at the players like some previous head coaches/managers would have done. He has no passion on the touchline. 

is he best mates with Gestede? someone last night before the game, was saying that Ismael and Gestede have a heated argument in the first week after his appointment and I don't whether it true or not, but has anyone heard similar rumours? 

He also said that Gary O'Neil was Waggott and Gestede choice to replace Eustace but Ismael was Pasha's choice, whether this is true I don't know

I do agree that I don't expect him to be sack and I think he will still be our head coach come the first game next season

I can’t guarantee it is correct, but I heard from 2 different people who I know and trust and a 3rd person, who claims to be inside the club, who I don’t know personally. That’s about O’Neil. 

Edited 8 hours ago by lraC