Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[chaddyrovers]

9 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

You keep repeating that football now has ‘a head coach structure’. We all know, it’s a fact.

Whereas everybody else is debating if this world we have moved on to has actually benefited the game as modern football is a load of boring shite from where I’m standing.

of course it benefitted football as a whole. 

[Wheelton Blue]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

of course it benefitted football as a whole. 

In what way?

[roversfan99]

45 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I know what I said thanks RF99 but the overall point was footballing structure to prevent the Gallagher type situation and have more structure and scouting system to finding and recruiting potential players to sign. 

 

piss off? care to explain it more? 

Leave. Surely that was pretty obvious. Do you want Gestede to go or do you think he should stay.

Im glad we improved the club by adding structure which aside from disagreements, added incompetence, poor players signed against the head coaches desires, interference and a lack of synergy between head coach and director of football to the point where a head coaches job is untenable, it has benefitted the club as a whole and football in general as a whole.

[Upside Down]

1 hour ago, Wheelton Blue said:

In what way?

I can't wait to see how he responds to this.

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[chaddyrovers]

12 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Leave. Surely that was pretty obvious. Do you want Gestede to go or do you think he should stay.

Matty asked me a couple of weeks a similar question and I said last summer I wouldn't appointed into that role in the first place as I thought we needed someone with experience in that role given our budget we had. That not against Gestede cos I don't see at the job but I would have appoint an experience DoF. 

12 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Im glad we improved the club by adding structure which aside from disagreements, added incompetence, poor players signed against the head coaches desires, interference and a lack of synergy between head coach and director of football to the point where a head coaches job is untenable, it has benefitted the club as a whole and football in general as a whole.

my point was about Football as a Whole. 

What players were signed against Eustace desire? 

What was Eustace's role and did he caused the disagreements in recruitment cos he wanted Championship experience signings? 

Did Eustace wanted Gueye, Ohashi, Beck, Batth who proved to be good signings? 

12 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

In what way?

Given that head coaches didn't last long within the game, you need a director of football to have plan for short, medium and long term, employ scouts and data analysis, bring him new players. Employ the right head coach to fit in with players but also the short and medium plan of the club

if it such a bad structure to have in place why did clubs all over have the 

[Upside Down]

Deary me.

[martonrover]

It matters not what the structure is.

Until Venkys sell up, we will continue to fail on the pitch, and lose supporters off it.

Not a penny more.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

On 25/02/2025 at 18:45, DuffsLeftPeg said:

Welcome Ismael!

King of The North (West)

Slaying all before him with Valerian Steel!

COYB 🌹

Fooking Jesus Christ almighty just seen this!!!

🤣

[Wheelton Blue]

5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Given that head coaches didn't last long within the game, you need a director of football to have plan for short, medium and long term, employ scouts and data analysis, bring him new players. Employ the right head coach to fit in with players but also the short and medium plan of the club

if it such a bad structure to have in place why did clubs all over have the 

And what happens when you don't employ the right DOF? Or they themselves decide to walk?

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

And what happens when you don't employ the right DOF? Or they themselves decide to walk?

Or you employ a head coach who wants more control in recruitment of players then leaves for a club that will give him that 

 

[TugaysMarlboro]

9 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Or you employ a head coach who wants more control in recruitment of players then leaves for a club that will give him that 

 

He also wanted a new contract with some spending guarantees (rightly earned I think) and contracts for the players who had got him 6th, both denied.

[roversfan99]

Why would any respectable head coach want players thrust upon him that he doesnt want and/or are crap?

[chaddyrovers]

12 hours ago, TugaysMarlboro said:

He also wanted a new contract with some spending guarantees (rightly earned I think) and contracts for the players who had got him 6th, both denied.

So it has been reported but none of us know this for sure. 

11 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Why would any respectable head coach want players thrust upon him that he doesnt want and/or are crap?

what players did Eustace have thrust upon on him then? can you list them? 

Crap? if these crap players then they wouldn't be playing professional football at such a high level of football

[Wheelton Blue]

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

So it has been reported but none of us know this for sure. 

what players did Eustace have thrust upon on him then? can you list them? 

Crap? if these crap players then they wouldn't be playing professional football at such a high level of football

So just because Gestede signed then, that automatically makes them good enough to play for a Championship club?

[chaddyrovers]

5 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

So just because Gestede signed then, that automatically makes them good enough to play for a Championship club?

Rovers signed them. 

Do any of us knew who was behind the Ohashi signing or the Cantwell signing or the Beck signing or the Toth signing? 

[roverandout]

21 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

So it has been reported but none of us know this for sure. 

what players did Eustace have thrust upon on him then? can you list them? 

Crap? if these crap players then they wouldn't be playing professional football at such a high level of football

Ali dia played for Southampton does that make him good?

[Wheelton Blue]

49 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Rovers signed them. 

Do any of us knew who was behind the Ohashi signing or the Cantwell signing or the Beck signing or the Toth signing? 

Ok.

I'll ask again, but slightly differently.

So hypotheticaly,  if Rovers - Gestede/Waggot/Pasha - sign players in the upcoming summer transfer window, in your opinion, would that automatically make those players good enough to play for a Championship club?

As a reminder, this is what you said earlier....

'if these crap players then they wouldn't be playing professional football at such a high level of football'

Edited yesterday at 10:18 by Wheelton Blue

[TugaysMarlboro]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

So it has been reported but none of us know this for sure. 

what players did Eustace have thrust upon on him then? can you list them? 

Crap? if these crap players then they wouldn't be playing professional football at such a high level of football

You can see the problem here right?

You use rumour as a statement and it's fine. Someone else does the same, but with a different viewpoint to your own, and all of a sudden "no-one knows for sure".

 

[chaddyrovers]

21 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Ok.

I'll ask again, but slightly differently.

So hypotheticaly,  if Rovers - Gestede/Waggot/Pasha - sign players in the upcoming summer transfer window, in your opinion, would that automatically make those players good enough to play for a Championship club?

As a reminder, this is what you said earlier....

'if these crap players then they wouldn't be playing professional football at such a high level of football'

no answer to my question I notice tho? Wonder why? 

Have Ohashi, Gueye, Beck, Weimann, Batth, etc proved they have been good enough to play for us? 

Yes ACD and Toth have so far proved not to so far. ACD was in his first taste of first team football so struggling should have been know. Toth has had limited opportunities to play but so far doesn't look up to standard hence why I want to see him play in the next 5 games to see whether he is good enough or not. Woodrow made no sense to be honest not based on ability but the fact of lack of game time 

Given that we scouted and analysis players you would expect them to good enough at this level but some transfers just don't work out for x or y reason. 

my crap point was aimed at the language used but RF99 for some of our players, which if there were crap footballers they wouldn't be playing at this level or be pro footballer but they are so can't be crap players can they be. 

 

[roversfan99]

Well obviously, crap is relative as we have been over before.

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47 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Ok.

I'll ask again, but slightly differently.

So hypotheticaly,  if Rovers - Gestede/Waggot/Pasha - sign players in the upcoming summer transfer window, in your opinion, would that automatically make those players good enough to play for a Championship club?

As a reminder, this is what you said earlier....

'if these crap players then they wouldn't be playing professional football at such a high level of football'

They are not crap players, they are just playing at too high a level.

[chaddyrovers]

16 minutes ago, TugaysMarlboro said:

You can see the problem here right?

You use rumour as a statement and it's fine. Someone else does the same, but with a different viewpoint to your own, and all of a sudden "no-one knows for sure".

We don't know for sure did we, we can only used what has been reported by someone or in the public domain. Which is what you have done with this point(same as I do or others) which is from Elliott Jackson I take it whilst Gestede was asked by EJ about it, said he knows nothing about it

[chaddyrovers]

18 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Well obviously, crap is relative as we have been over before.

any answer to this very simple question so please can you answer it and show the same curiosity I do when answering your questions to me, 

 what players did Eustace have thrust upon on him then? can you list them? 

[roversfan99]

26 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

any answer to this very simple question so please can you answer it and show the same curiosity I do when answering your questions to me, 

 what players did Eustace have thrust upon on him then? can you list them? 

You yourself have discussed the players that Eustace wanted but he was not allowed to bring in. Thomas Asante, Dembele etc. Im guessing the likes of Toth and Gueye werent his idea.

Point being, he clearly wasnt happy with the recruitment or the way the club was run hence why he couldnt leave soon enough.

And I am sure you will go on to say I didnt personally rate those individual players that much, especially Dembele. Irrelevant to the point I am making about the fact that a director of football structure can lead to disagreements which are much more likely at a dysfunctional club like ours.

Recruitment has not worked for a number of years. The squad is full of loans and short term contracts and it will be another summer of trying to cobble together a new team on pennies. Having two different people in a director of football role has not improved anything here, its caused more problems if anything.

[lraC]

I think that both David Goodwillie and Myles Anderson were given premier league contacts and the potugeezers, were given championship contracts. None of these were at the required level, we were playing at, when these contracts were dished out. Likewise with at least 3 managers too.

During Venkys tenure, I would argue that some decisions were made that benefited third parties more than the club and its best we try to remember that, rather than blindly accept things, that don’t always seem right.