Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[Forever Blue]

1 hour ago, Waggy76 said:

There is the cynic in me , that thinks Ismael has been appointed to do what Eustace failed to do .

That being achieving relegation ! 

Kean , Coyle and now this fella , all 3 were strange  appointments , ultimately designed to get us relegated .

Ismael , will not be here this time next season but the damage will have been done .

Kean nearly got us relegated from being in the top ten in the Premier league within 6 months .

 

You credit them with far too much intelligence. There is no plan. They are just incompetent. 

[Waggy76]

1 hour ago, Forever Blue said:

You credit them with far too much intelligence. There is no plan. They are just incompetent. 

 i am not so sure at times 🤣

[JHRover]

The 5 games so far and the coming 7 games will mean he has had over 25% of a season to demonstrate he has even some of the requirements to warrant putting our medium term future into his hands. 

They keep talking about a rebuild, which they have ensured is necessary by running down the contracts of the entire squad, you don't then put that rebuild in the hands of someone who has been on probation for 4 months and 12 games and shown NONE of the signs you would hope/expect to see from a new manager.

Given he was unemployed, an initial deal until the summer with terms on ice for a 2 year extension would have been appropriate, that way a probationary period with the ability to look elsewhere in the summer if things didn't go well. By god they couldn't have gone much worse. This isn't just results, it is performances as well.

At a rational organisation overseen by competent qualified management he would already be on thin, thin ice (he probably wouldn't have got the job to begin with but hey, mistakes happen, especially when giving the work experience bloke the head of football job).

This lot however run the club according to cost and convenience. So he's in place and will cost to get rid of, meaning they will happily let him 'build' his own team and ensure next season is a write off just because it is easier and cheaper to leave him in place. If anyone has any doubts, see the Coyle season, and JDT last season - they preferred to let him totally derail things rather than just pay him off earlier.

Quite soon the 'next season / summer' propaganda will go into overdrive, both from Ismael and the club itself. They are going to have to 'offer' something to try and shift season tickets and will attempt to do the 'jam tomorrow' routine which is their favourite as tomorrow never comes and they can never be held to future aims / aspirations. All they will do is promise something else once the annual reshuffle takes place at Brockhall.

Edited Sunday at 14:00 by JHRover

[oneandycrawford]

5 hours ago, Waggy76 said:

There is the cynic in me , that thinks Ismael has been appointed to do what Eustace failed to do .

That being achieving relegation ! 

Kean , Coyle and now this fella , all 3 were strange  appointments , ultimately designed to get us relegated .

Ismael , will not be here this time next season but the damage will have been done .

Kean nearly got us relegated from being in the top ten in the Premier league within 6 months .

 

I agree that the actions of the owners will ultimately see us relegated - highly likely to be next season. However their actions don't suggest this is their objective - if it was why did they sack Coyle? It might be that, with the current financial situation, they are just indifferent to relegation.

Waggot just seems to be an effing idiot!

[simongarnerisgod]

1 hour ago, oneandycrawford said:

I agree that the actions of the owners will ultimately see us relegated - highly likely to be next season. However their actions don't suggest this is their objective - if it was why did they sack Coyle? It might be that, with the current financial situation, they are just indifferent to relegation.

Waggot just seems to be an effing idiot!

the owners are just completely disinterested and maggot has free reign to do whatever he wants,i.e line his own pockets for doing no work,same with the other gimp pasha,those two are need executing imo and are the two reasons why the club is in such a mess

[oneandycrawford]

Just now, simongarnerisgod said:

the owners are just completely disinterested and maggot has free reign to do whatever he wants,i.e line his own pockets for doing no work,same with the other gimp pasha,those two are need executing imo and are the two reasons why the club is in such a mess

Hope you meant exiting rather than executing 😉

[simongarnerisgod]

Just now, oneandycrawford said:

Hope you meant exiting rather than executing 😉

no i did`nt 😆

[Tomphil2]

If you're Gestede and/ Waghail and you plan another big summer of change moving players out and in whilst foisting more young loans and academy players onto the first team you need your own puppet in place.

That's what this guy is he'll know exactly what is going to happen that's why he looks like he isn't bothered right now.

And for agents it'll be another summer of a feeding frenzy at the Rovers trough commission wise.

[Exiled_Rover]

44 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

If you're Gestede and/ Waghail and you plan another big summer of change moving players out and in whilst foisting more young loans and academy players onto the first team you need your own puppet in place.

That's what this guy is he'll know exactly what is going to happen that's why he looks like he isn't bothered right now.

And for agents it'll be another summer of a feeding frenzy at the Rovers trough commission wise.

One glance at the performances of the Academy graduates on loan would make you pump the brakes on that plan - if you were committed to driving the club forward (or whatever that AI statement said).

The next wave is clearly miles off it. You're absolutely going down if they're getting major minutes next season. 

[Upside Down]

9 hours ago, Waggy76 said:

There is the cynic in me , that thinks Ismael has been appointed to do what Eustace failed to do .

That being achieving relegation ! 

Kean , Coyle and now this fella , all 3 were strange  appointments , ultimately designed to get us relegated .

Ismael , will not be here this time next season but the damage will have been done .

Kean nearly got us relegated from being in the top ten in the Premier league within 6 months .

 

I think with Coyle he was just shit. It was a choice between him and Warnock and they picked the guy who wouldn't talk back and would get us nowhere near promotion. It just backfired as he was even shitter than they'd imagined.

Coyle - Total clown.

Kean 100% was appointed to get us relegated from the PL. Anyone trying to suggest otherwise just looks like a fool. 

Kean - Absolutely fucking cunt. I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

They hit the jackpot when they got Mowbray. A total yes man with as little ambition as them, more than willing to play their game and collect his wages and whatever other backhanders he was getting. 

Mowbray - A complete twat.

JDT and Eustace were the absolute antithesis of venkys. Ambitious, driven, talented and most importantly, respectful to themselves and others. No surprise that both of them did everything they could to get the fuck out of the club.

JDT & Eustace - Nothing but respect for the both of them.

Ismail is more in the Mowbray mould although I will cut him some slack as he made comments prior to the Portsmouth match where he was understanding of the fan unrest and said it was up to the players to not let it effect them, so fair do's there I suppose.

Ismail - Totally irrelevant, he's just here because this was the only place to give him a job.

Edited Sunday at 18:54 by Upside Down

[Tomphil2]

1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said:

One glance at the performances of the Academy graduates on loan would make you pump the brakes on that plan - if you were committed to driving the club forward (or whatever that AI statement said).

The next wave is clearly miles off it. You're absolutely going down if they're getting major minutes next season. 

I'm presuming the loans out are in order to get these lads mins then they all come back into our first team squad to stake a claim in pre season.

I think it's nailed on they'll be looking to integrate them again from summer as opposed to them being shunted out with a view to be let go.

[martonrover]

2 hours ago, Tomphil2 said:

If you're Gestede and/ Waghail and you plan another big summer of change moving players out and in whilst foisting more young loans and academy players onto the first team you need your own puppet in place.

That's what this guy is he'll know exactly what is going to happen that's why he looks like he isn't bothered right now.

And for agents it'll be another summer of a feeding frenzy at the Rovers trough commission wise.

Agreed.

We’ve guaranteed Ismael a wad that will set him up no matter what.

For those expecting his early departure , I fear you may be in for shock.

The only way I could see that happening is a mutual agreement, but he’s not going to forego three years of wages.

[lraC]

4 hours ago, Tomphil2 said:

If you're Gestede and/ Waghail and you plan another big summer of change moving players out and in whilst foisting more young loans and academy players onto the first team you need your own puppet in place.

That's what this guy is he'll know exactly what is going to happen that's why he looks like he isn't bothered right now.

And for agents it'll be another summer of a feeding frenzy at the Rovers trough commission wise.

Exactly this and the very reason, I suggested he was told to play Forshaw in his first game and did. 

[chaddyrovers]

21 minutes ago, lraC said:

Exactly this and the very reason, I suggested he was told to play Forshaw in his first game and did. 

Who else was going play next to Travis? Forshaw started the previous 2 games scoring against Plymouth in 1

[lraC]

5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Who else was going play next to Travis? Forshaw started the previous 2 games scoring against Plymouth in 1

Already replied to that, but of course you won’t have it will you, as bizarre decisions, don’t happen at Rovers.

The manager was chosen above 150 others apparently, yet he had a pathetic record in his last 2 jobs.

I am a lot more inclined to believe he was chosen, due to being happy to accept interference in team selection, than his past record and his ability to set up a team, coach them, get results against cannon fodder and have an identifiable style of play. 

[chaddyrovers]

4 hours ago, lraC said:

Already replied to that, but of course you won’t have it will you, as bizarre decisions, don’t happen at Rovers.

The manager was chosen above 150 others apparently, yet he had a pathetic record in his last 2 jobs.

I am a lot more inclined to believe he was chosen, due to being happy to accept interference in team selection, than his past record and his ability to set up a team, coach them, get results against cannon fodder and have an identifiable style of play. 

Good for you. 

Ismael had a pathetic record in his last 2 jobs? Don't agree. WBA were in the playoffs when he was sacked and Watford were 9th when sacked. Pathetic record? Not for me. More than decent enough. 

Ismael and Wagner were the final 2 candidates from reports, and I both of the would be the sort of options Rovers would look at instead of British head coach. 

Who says any team selected by Ismael has been interfere with?.who the source? 

[MarkBRFC]

At a guess, there is no way Cauley Woodrow starts a game for this club unless there are financial penalties due to his parent club if he doesn't hit a set amount of minutes.

Therefor, that would be classed as interfering.

[roversfan99]

I dont see why Luton would care if he plays or not to be fair. Just happy someone was desperate enough to contribute to his wages.

[Tomphil2]

13 hours ago, Upside Down said:

I think with Coyle he was just shit. It was a choice between him and Warnock and they picked the guy who wouldn't talk back and would get us nowhere near promotion. It just backfired as he was even shitter than they'd imagined.

Coyle - Total clown.

Kean 100% was appointed to get us relegated from the PL. Anyone trying to suggest otherwise just looks like a fool. 

Kean - Absolutely fucking cunt. I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

They hit the jackpot when they got Mowbray. A total yes man with as little ambition as them, more than willing to play their game and collect his wages and whatever other backhanders he was getting. 

Mowbray - A complete twat.

JDT and Eustace were the absolute antithesis of venkys. Ambitious, driven, talented and most importantly, respectful to themselves and others. No surprise that both of them did everything they could to get the fuck out of the club.

JDT & Eustace - Nothing but respect for the both of them.

Ismail is more in the Mowbray mould although I will cut him some slack as he made comments prior to the Portsmouth match where he was understanding of the fan unrest and said it was up to the players to not let it effect them, so fair do's there I suppose.

Ismail - Totally irrelevant, he's just here because this was the only place to give him a job.

To be coming into a club in 5th or 6th place and immediately becoming aware of fan unrest says it all really.

Another season of enjoyment ruined by the clowns owning and running Rovers then they wonder why fans are saying what is the point.

We haven't even fallen away organically this time it's been totally self inflicted.

[chaddyrovers]

39 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

At a guess, there is no way Cauley Woodrow starts a game for this club unless there are financial penalties due to his parent club if he doesn't hit a set amount of minutes.

Therefor, that would be classed as interfering.

He started one game and do the bigger clubs not interfere when they say a player must player regular or play so many minutes

[MarkBRFC]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

He started one game and do the bigger clubs not interfere when they say a player must player regular or play so many minutes

Yes I believe they do, so that would be classed as interfering, no?

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Yes I believe they do, so that would be classed as interfering, no?

Or doing their best to develop their young players before bringing them into their first team or selling them

[MarkBRFC]

Well yeah they are looking after themselves, got no problem with that.

We shouldn't really be accepting such clauses though, especially when the majority of them are no better than what we have.

[Mercer]

56 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Ismael had a pathetic record in his last 2 jobs? Don't agree. WBA were in the playoffs when he was sacked and Watford were 9th when sacked. Pathetic record? Not for me. More than decent enough. 

Ismael and Wagner were the final 2 candidates from reports, and I both of the would be the sort of options Rovers would look at instead of British head coach. 

Tell us one positive / improvement Ismael has made to the team?

Think bottom line is he has bombed completely.

Lose on Friday and his position may well be already untenable.  I think he has lost both the dressing room and fans and that is one mighty scew-up after just a handful of games.

How you continue to try and defend the indefensible is way beyond comprehension.

[roversfan99]

His position wont become untenable because theres absolutely no chance that he gets sacked either way. We arent going to pay up 3 years of his contract.

Just like the club wont cease to exist with a year as you again implied the other day.