Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[lraC]

12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I think some of your comments have been unfair and nothing to back it up like Forshaw has to play which hasn't bare out there. 

who was the original choice given both Alan Nixon and Elliott Jackson have reported, so can you name him? 

If my comments are unfair then don’t you think yours are too? You said that my post that a record of one win in 12 games was pathetic was harsh and that he had them 9th in the table when he was sacked. That record is not only pathetic, but you have made an excuse for it by stating the position of Watford in the table was acceptable, yet stated they were 4 places higher than they were. You also suggested that  you researched this, so why try to defend him by lying for him, or have you made a genuine mistake?

There was more than one manager ear marked for the job and very much like the Coyle for Warnock situation, Pasha persuaded the owners to take Ismael, as he fits the budget.

we all know how Coyle being brought in after another manager was promised the job, turned out and I would suggest, history will repeat itself.

On another note, Gestede and Pasha are good mates and have taken a holiday together. 

[roverandout]

They gave him a 3 year contract because they knew he wouldn't rock the boat. So now their excuse is its too expensive to sack him

[chaddyrovers]

7 minutes ago, lraC said:

If my comments are unfair then don’t you think yours are too? You said that my post that a record of one win in 12 games was pathetic was harsh and that he had them 9th in the table when he was sacked. That record is not only pathetic, but you have made an excuse for it by stating the position of Watford in the table was acceptable, yet stated they were 4 places higher than they were. You also suggested that  you researched this, so why try to defend him by lying for him, or have you made a genuine mistake?

I researched into the tactics he used at both clubs, results but getting Watford's league position was a genuine mistake. 

I can say my words were harsh and unfair towards yourself

7 minutes ago, lraC said:

There was more than one manager ear marked for the job and very much like the Coyle for Warnock situation, Pasha persuaded the owners to take Ismael, as he fits the budget.

we all know how Coyle being brought in after another manager was promised the job, turned out and I would suggest, history will repeat itself.

So who was original choice as you suggested before that choice was ignored given no journalist who were suggested who was being or had been interviewed or this original choice was ignore?   

7 minutes ago, lraC said:

On another note, Gestede and Pasha are good mates and have taken a holiday together. 

why he get the job he did then

[mhead]

ONeill was this times choice, but as people have said, Warnock and Jepson were ready to start pre-Coyle.

A fish rots from the head. Most Clubs with bad owners at least see the Owners.

SW has not been driving the bus for at least 4 years now.

This is about the principle of buying a plaything,on a whim, and losing rapid interest.....sell it on E-Bay.

[lraC]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

I researched into the tactics he used at both clubs, results but getting Watford's league position was a genuine mistake. 

I can say my words were harsh and unfair towards yourself

So who was original choice as you suggested before that choice was ignored given no journalist who were suggested who was being or had been interviewed or this original choice was ignore?   

why he get the job he did then

I missed an S off the choice, as there were choices, but Waggott was overruled by Pasha, who chose Ismael due to his wage fitting the budget. 
Thanks for accepting your words to me were harsh. 
Im not too sure what you are asking about Pasha and Gestede, but if I have got what you are asking right, Gestede possibly got the job he did at Rovers due to their friendship, but I’m guessing there.

Gestede did play under Kean at one point and of course Kean and Pasha, both have a connection to Kentaro.

It does feel like the people around from the very early days, have not all disappeared.

[lraC]

3 minutes ago, mhead said:

ONeill was this times choice, but as people have said, Warnock and Jepson were ready to start pre-Coyle.

A fish rots from the head. Most Clubs with bad owners at least see the Owners.

SW has not been driving the bus for at least 4 years now.

This is about the principle of buying a plaything,on a whim, and losing rapid interest.....sell it on E-Bay.

Thanks.

From what I was told, there was more than just O’Neil, but as stated Pasha overruled this and Ismael was recommended to the owners, due to his wage fitting the budget. 

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, mhead said:

ONeill was this times choice,

choice of who tho? 

2 minutes ago, lraC said:

I missed an S off the choice, as there were choices, but Waggott was overruled by Pasha, who chose Ismael due to his wage fitting the budget. 

choices? who were these? any chance you name some if not all? 

2 minutes ago, lraC said:

Thanks for accepting your words to me were harsh. 

I am always willing to accept my mistakes and apologise 

[roversfan99]

29 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Or Maybe Rovers were looking for a different head coach and a head coach who will listen and accept the recruitment team who suggested signings and not come up with their own sgnings

did we? what happens if that gone the same way, your opinion would be the other way. 

rising star? very few fit this type of appointment and we seen Stoke try this and went nowhere or Joe Edwards at Millwall 

or do we take risk on a head coach in league 1 or 2 and what would happens if all went pear shape, you would here criticising them for that, so tbh the club could do nothing right unless they appoint a Warnock or Allardyce who you wanted despite Warnock being 76 years old and Allardyce being 70 years old. 

You are probably correct. In other words, a manager with limited self respect and/or one who is desperate for a Championship job he wouldnt get otherwise. Step forward Mr Ismael on a 3 year deal. Couldnt believe his luck. Doesnt have the credentials of previous managers to be able to stand up for himself because unlike them, he wouldnt walk into another job at Championship/reasonable International level. Its not a positive.

People will criticise any manager who gets results as bad as Ismael. Old, young or inbetween. 

[KentExile]

4 minutes ago, lraC said:

 

Gestede did play under Kean at one point and of course Kean and Pasha, both have a connection to Kentaro.

It does feel like the people around from the very early days, have not all disappeared.

Kean left in 2012

Gestede initially signed in 2013

[lraC]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

choice of who tho? 

choices? who were these? any chance you name some if not all? 

I am always willing to accept my mistakes and apologise 

I wasn’t told to be honest, but was told that Waggott choices were overruled by Pasha. 
Mhead has stated O’Neil, who I suspect was Waggott’s preferred option. 

[lraC]

2 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Kean left in 2012

Gestede initially signed in 2013

I didn’t mean at Rovers. It was when Kean was managing abroad.

[KentExile]

2 minutes ago, lraC said:

I didn’t mean at Rovers. It was when Kean was managing abroad.

fair enough 

I wasn't aware of that

In Australia by all accounts

Edited Monday at 20:48 by KentExile

[lraC]

1 minute ago, KentExile said:

fair enough 

I wasn't aware of that

In Australia by all accounts

Yep, Melbourne Victory.

It could all be pure coincidence of course.

[Upside Down]

23 minutes ago, lraC said:

Yep, Melbourne Victory.

It could all be pure coincidence of course.

Nothing is coincidence with this lot.

Lightning doesn't strike the same place twice except for at Blackburn Rovers where it strikes the same place 653946604761647490482648496514194790000736256838 times.

Edited Monday at 21:12 by Upside Down

[lraC]

5 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

Nothing is coincidence with this lot.

Lightning doesn't strike the same place twice except for at Blackburn Rovers where it strikes the same place 653946604761647490482648496514194790000736256838 times.

I promise, I was being facetious.

Kean and Gestede team up in Oz. Gestede and Pasha are good mates, by all accounts.

Pasha and Kean are both connected to Kentaro. Gestede gets himself a trainee gig at Ewood and promises to improve communications but doesn’t, although at least he went on video to wish us a happy Eid Mubarak. 

Rumours start about Gestede replacing Waggott, who in turn has recently been overruled in the choice of manager.

I can’t wait for Pashas press appearances tomorrow. I hope he is asked to explain a few things, that aren’t adding up. 

[Tomphil2]

Lets not forget the mention of power struggles behind the scenes when Park left for a second time and there were obviously issues for Eustace.

Now we just happen to end up with an odd choice head coach who is French.

Edited Monday at 22:06 by Tomphil2

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, lraC said:

He was cheaper than the original choice, who Waggott had signed off. Pasha overruled him.

Sorry if I sound like chaddy, but you know this how?

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

You are probably correct. In other words, a manager with limited self respect and/or one who is desperate for a Championship job he wouldnt get otherwise. Step forward Mr Ismael on a 3 year deal. Couldnt believe his luck. Doesnt have the credentials of previous managers to be able to stand up for himself because unlike them, he wouldnt walk into another job at Championship/reasonable International level. Its not a positive.

People will criticise any manager who gets results as bad as Ismael. Old, young or inbetween. 

No a head coach who fits into the structure and will accept the recruitment staff recommendations. 

1 hour ago, lraC said:

I wasn’t told to be honest, but was told that Waggott choices were overruled by Pasha. 
Mhead has stated O’Neil, who I suspect was Waggott’s preferred option. 

I always thought Ismael appointment wasn't a Waggott one. More of Gestede and Owen. All 4 of them(Waggott, Pasha, Gestede and Owen) all interviewing candidates and I read They went to interviewed candidates in London before the Swansea game. Wagner and Ismael were the final candidates. 

 

 

[RevidgeBlue]

51 minutes ago, lraC said:

I promise, I was being facetious.

Kean and Gestede team up in Oz. Gestede and Pasha are good mates, by all accounts.

Pasha and Kean are both connected to Kentaro. Gestede gets himself a trainee gig at Ewood and promises to improve communications but doesn’t, although at least he went on video to wish us a happy Eid Mubarak. 

Rumours start about Gestede replacing Waggott, who in turn has recently been overruled in the choice of manager.

I can’t wait for Pashas press appearances tomorrow. I hope he is asked to explain a few things, that aren’t adding up. 

Come on, I think you need to go for a lie down.

It's important we don't detract from the real issues and lose traction  by diving back into the realms of conspiracy theory.

We had all this crap after they first took took over, Venky's not the real owners, criminal gangs etc etc. All that did was detract from the main issue which is that they are and always have been really terrible owners albeit they were prepared to chuck a lot of money away on our behalf up until a couple of years or so ago.

[chaddyrovers]

15 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Lets not forget the mention of power struggles behind the scenes when Park left for a second time and there were obviously issues for Eustace.

Now we just happen to end up with an odd choice head coach who is French.

Park left cos of Eustace interference in recruitment from what been posted on here.

Was it odd choice? 

I mentioned Ismael and Wagner names as soon as Eustace cos they were head coaches who have worked in DoF/head coach structure and I also said I expected foreign head coach appointment 

[Tomphil2]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Park left cos of Eustace interference in recruitment from what been posted on here.

Was it odd choice? 

I mentioned Ismael and Wagner names as soon as Eustace cos they were head coaches who have worked in DoF/head coach structure and I also said I expected foreign head coach appointment 

If Rudy is now the defacto DOF it;s not odd that he'd want someone like Ismael if they know each other and feel they can work together.

If Pasha is overruling Waggot on it though then it means Gestede is now ruling the roost.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, mhead said:

ONeill was this times choice, but as people have said, Warnock and Jepson were ready to start pre-Coyle.

O Neil didn't even make it through to a second round of interviews according to Jackson.

And that guy Crook at Talksport said that O Neill was out of the running long before that, presumably !as soon as he spoke to us.

[SuperBrfc]

57 minutes ago, lraC said:

I promise, I was being facetious.

Kean and Gestede team up in Oz. Gestede and Pasha are good mates, by all accounts.

Pasha and Kean are both connected to Kentaro. Gestede gets himself a trainee gig at Ewood and promises to improve communications but doesn’t, although at least he went on video to wish us a happy Eid Mubarak. 

Rumours start about Gestede replacing Waggott, who in turn has recently been overruled in the choice of manager.

I can’t wait for Pashas press appearances tomorrow. I hope he is asked to explain a few things, that aren’t adding up. 

Exactly how I see it. I am of the view that the pressure from Glen and the Coalition, plus numerous posts on here recently discussing Pasha's connections have almost pushed him to do an interview or two tomorrow.

Strangely, it feels like the mention of Kentaro and Crescendo Sports of Brunei speeds things up. Might just be my overactive imagination though.

Him appearing tomorrow doesn't feel too dissimilar to the time the crocodile tear spiv appeared on tv all those years ago, trying to play the victim. Let's see what these interviews bring.

[lraC]

48 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Sorry if I sound like chaddy, but you know this how?

From someone who works at the club. 

[lraC]

19 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

Exactly how I see it. I am of the view that the pressure from Glen and the Coalition, plus numerous posts on here recently discussing Pasha's connections have almost pushed him to do an interview or two tomorrow.

Strangely, it feels like the mention of Kentaro and Crescendo Sports of Brunei speeds things up. Might just be my overactive imagination though.

Him appearing tomorrow doesn't feel too dissimilar to the time the crocodile tear spiv appeared on tv all those years ago, trying to play the victim. Let's see what these interviews bring.

I’m not too sure he will be anywhere near as skilled at playing the press as mr crocodile tears, but it’s a real coup getting him to speak.