New Law - Keeper Time Wasting

[wilsdenrover]

What on earth is this??

Just enforce the current rule properly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ceqjr1n27dgo

[Upside Down]

Complete joke. Why not just enforce the existing rule?

How fucking dense are these people?

[Tom]

Let me guess like when they changed the stoppage time rule and we ended up every game with 9 minutes extra for about 3 weeks we’ll see someone punished in the first week and then it will be ignored again 

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Well im still waiting for these.

We live in hope...

 

[Plastics]

If the referees have to say something as a warning with five seconds left then that's any time the keeper has it for three seconds. So the time has gone up from six seconds but requires more work from the ref. Also I feel like indirect free kicks are more dangerous than corners (though that's a guess given the stats on corners).

 

Might make for some interesting pressing when the keeper has it and more long kicks.

 

They are refreshing it to hope it reinvigorates the law but just order the refs to enforce the existing rule. Fine the refs if they don't enforce it enough 

[Upside Down]

10 hours ago, Plastics said:

If the referees have to say something as a warning with five seconds left then that's any time the keeper has it for three seconds. So the time has gone up from six seconds but requires more work from the ref. Also I feel like indirect free kicks are more dangerous than corners (though that's a guess given the stats on corners).

 

Might make for some interesting pressing when the keeper has it and more long kicks.

 

They are refreshing it to hope it reinvigorates the law but just order the refs to enforce the existing rule. Fine the refs if they don't enforce it enough 

Hard to say what's more dangerous. You don't see many indirect free kicks these days.

[Roverthechimp]

Frankly it is bollocks. Apart from encouraging the opposition to pester the ref - will VAR get involved?

Keeper goes long efter 8.5 seconds - striker takes it down and scores. 8 minuters later VAR cancels the goal and the opposition have a corner?

What the fuck is going on?? Ref blows for timewasting and sends off keeper - giving a corner. Goal direct from corner - review of incident to check it really was 8 seconds or more or is a new phase of play…

Next step will be a free one on one for a cynical tackle stopping a breakaway…

Not what i signed up for and ever expandning nonndomestic competitions is just pathetic whilst principles and fair play and equality take a back seat when oil money comes calling

[bluebruce]

So, ref blows whistle for time wasting. Both teams jog all the way back down the pitch and then spend a minute setting up for a corner. Good thing no time got wasted there!

[Ianrally]

Has the foul throw law been scrapped too? Quite a few go unpunished these days. 

[Eddie]

Don't dislike the change.

Something needed to be done as you often see keepers hold the ball for 30-45 seconds now (including them dropping to the ground after collecting the ball).

I can understand why an indirect freekick feels like too much of a punishment and it's also such a rare sight these days that it would be strange to start enforcing it with that type of punishment. A corner is a lot easier. 

[Eddie]

17 hours ago, Roverthechimp said:

Frankly it is bollocks. Apart from encouraging the opposition to pester the ref - will VAR get involved?

Keeper goes long efter 8.5 seconds - striker takes it down and scores. 8 minuters later VAR cancels the goal and the opposition have a corner?

Not really how VAR works in any of the major leagues.

[bluebruce]

12 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Don't dislike the change.

Something needed to be done as you often see keepers hold the ball for 30-45 seconds now (including them dropping to the ground after collecting the ball).

I can understand why an indirect freekick feels like too much of a punishment and it's also such a rare sight these days that it would be strange to start enforcing it with that type of punishment. A corner is a lot easier. 

As I said, you waste even more time bringing everyone back for a corner.

Just stop the clock every time a keeper holds the ball. And actually do it, 4th official's job. And still book them if they take too long.

[RoverDom]

17 hours ago, bluebruce said:

So, ref blows whistle for time wasting. Both teams jog all the way back down the pitch and then spend a minute setting up for a corner. Good thing no time got wasted there!

A bit of time gets wasted but advantage switches to the other team

[bluebruce]

12 minutes ago, RoverDom said:

A bit of time gets wasted but advantage switches to the other team

It's not just a bit of time, it's quite a bit. I get that it's more punishment than a yellow card for a position where the player almost never gets yellows anyway (so yeh they get a fine but the chances of them ever serving a suspension because of it are very slim). But it's quite a chunk of time used up to deal with the issue of wasting a few seconds of time, it's a self-defeating solution in a way, and the solution should avoid using up more time. As for an advantage, maybe for a lot of teams but have you seen our corners? 🤣

I still say like I did above, stop the clock, properly, every time the keeper collect it in his hands, and if he pisses about too long, still book him (for wasting the time of the fans, and stealing momentum from the game). If there ceases to be any advantage to doing it because the time is added on anyway, they'll stop doing it.

Then again I'm also a big believer in the clock stopping every time the ball goes out of play. Even if that means reducing from 90 minutes of standard time. They seemingly started doing it more like this at the start of the season, but very inconsistently from official to official, and then they just gave up on it. The clock should be for when football is being played.

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, bluebruce said:

As I said, you waste even more time bringing everyone back for a corner.

Just stop the clock every time a keeper holds the ball. And actually do it, 4th official's job. And still book them if they take too long.

But we know that won't happen and you could argue that giving the other team an attacking corner is far more valuable than adding on 1 minute of stoppage time. They may end up not even really getting that ball in that additional minute, but you actually give them a good attacking opportunity with the corner. 

Your idea is also really difficult to enforce at the amateur level where you won' have a 4th official to help you keep time quite as accurately. It will be a lot easier for a referee at any level to simply count to 8 in their head and then award a corner if it takes too long. 

It feels like a good attempt to fix a big problem, so I don't see why it would receive so much pushback for any reason other than 'I don't like change'. 

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, bluebruce said:

It's not just a bit of time, it's quite a bit.

Just to respond to this particular element - there's also absolutely nothing stopping the referee from also adding the time in addition to awarding the corner. They don't have to treat the time it takes to get the corner setup as wasted time. 

[bluebruce]

18 minutes ago, Eddie said:

But we know that won't happen and you could argue that giving the other team an attacking corner is far more valuable than adding on 1 minute of stoppage time. They may end up not even really getting that ball in that additional minute, but you actually give them a good attacking opportunity with the corner. 

Your idea is also really difficult to enforce at the amateur level where you won' have a 4th official to help you keep time quite as accurately. It will be a lot easier for a referee at any level to simply count to 8 in their head and then award a corner if it takes too long. 

It feels like a good attempt to fix a big problem, so I don't see why it would receive so much pushback for any reason other than 'I don't like change'. 

If we know that won't happen, we also know they won't give corners because it's been 9 or 10 seconds instead of 8. The problem is the officials not the rules.

It should be tracked seperately in top leagues, and officials who aren't adhering to it should be fined or dropped leagues. They'll do it then.

I'm not talking about amateur level. I don't really give a fuck what they do there, that should be left up to them to do what's within their resources. I just know this corner thing sounds like a load of old bollocks. Not because 'I don't like change', I'm literally asking for change, but thanks for boiling my point down to a belittling version.

[bluebruce]

20 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Just to respond to this particular element - there's also absolutely nothing stopping the referee from also adding the time in addition to awarding the corner. They don't have to treat the time it takes to get the corner setup as wasted time. 

Well to quote you, 'but we know that won't happen'.

[Eddie]

25 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

If we know that won't happen, we also know they won't give corners because it's been 9 or 10 seconds instead of 8. The problem is the officials not the rules.

It should be tracked seperately in top leagues, and officials who aren't adhering to it should be fined or dropped leagues. They'll do it then.

I'm not talking about amateur level. I don't really give a fuck what they do there, that should be left up to them to do what's within their resources. I just know this corner thing sounds like a load of old bollocks. Not because 'I don't like change', I'm literally asking for change, but thanks for boiling my point down to a belittling version.

But you can't not 'give a fuck' when law changes tend to trickle down (technology aside).

The change in how the infringement will be punished will certainly crack down on how much teams can take advantage of the ability to kill time. Will a corner be awarded every time it goes to 9/10 seconds? No. But will it stop teams from killing 30 seconds? Almost certainly. 

 

[Eddie]

25 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Well to quote you, 'but we know that won't happen'.

Would you rather have an attacking corner or have the ref play 1 minute more of additional time? Which could be a goalkick for the opposition, their attacking corner, their free kick, etc. 

[Roverthechimp]

3 hours ago, bluebruce said:

It's not just a bit of time, it's quite a bit. I get that it's more punishment than a yellow card for a position where the player almost never gets yellows anyway (so yeh they get a fine but the chances of them ever serving a suspension because of it are very slim). But it's quite a chunk of time used up to deal with the issue of wasting a few seconds of time, it's a self-defeating solution in a way, and the solution should avoid using up more time. As for an advantage, maybe for a lot of teams but have you seen our corners? 🤣

I still say like I did above, stop the clock, properly, every time the keeper collect it in his hands, and if he pisses about too long, still book him (for wasting the time of the fans, and stealing momentum from the game). If there ceases to be any advantage to doing it because the time is added on anyway, they'll stop doing it.

Then again I'm also a big believer in the clock stopping every time the ball goes out of play. Even if that means reducing from 90 minutes of standard time. They seemingly started doing it more like this at the start of the season, but very inconsistently from official to official, and then they just gave up on it. The clock should be for when football is being played.

Messed up the tv channels programming/scheduling/advertising so had to be stopped sharpish.

 

Allegedly 😁

[bluebruce]

2 hours ago, Eddie said:

But you can't not 'give a fuck' when law changes tend to trickle down (technology aside).

The change in how the infringement will be punished will certainly crack down on how much teams can take advantage of the ability to kill time. Will a corner be awarded every time it goes to 9/10 seconds? No. But will it stop teams from killing 30 seconds? Almost certainly. 

 

I can, because you just do it differently at lower levels where the resources aren't there. Isn't that exactly why we don't have VAR in the Championship?

[bluebruce]

2 hours ago, Eddie said:

Would you rather have an attacking corner or have the ref play 1 minute more of additional time? Which could be a goalkick for the opposition, their attacking corner, their free kick, etc. 

I'd rather the time being wasted is just added on anyway so nobody bothers wasting time on purpose anyway, like I've already said.

It's not about getting some special punitive measure that gives my team a better advantage, it's about getting a better outcome with time wasting, and my suggestion does that just fine without any need for weird corners, and is less disruptive to the game.

 

[Eddie]

2 hours ago, bluebruce said:

I can, because you just do it differently at lower levels where the resources aren't there. Isn't that exactly why we don't have VAR in the Championship?

VAR is very much an anomaly and isn't about the actual law of the game, just about the ability to scrutinise it differently. Can you think of an actual law that is different at one level than another? Other than specific league rules like the number of subs, etc, I can't think of any, and I can't think of why it would be beneficial to the game. 

[Eddie]

2 hours ago, bluebruce said:

I'd rather the time being wasted is just added on anyway so nobody bothers wasting time on purpose anyway, like I've already said.

It's not about getting some special punitive measure that gives my team a better advantage, it's about getting a better outcome with time wasting, and my suggestion does that just fine without any need for weird corners, and is less disruptive to the game.

 

How do you stop the time wasting without a punitive measure? We all know they won't properly add on time. And when do they start? And what happens when you do it in the final minute of additional time? You kill an extra 30 seconds and boot it down field and we play for 30 seconds extra? But now the team is deep inside the opposition's half? 

It really does seem like a pretty decent solution.