chaddyrovers Posted April 4 Posted April 4 4 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said: Gestede, about 15 minutes into his second match in charge. I thought Ismael was head coach not Gestede? He changed formation at Derby cos they bullied our back line and our defenders were all over the place.Β Quote
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roversfan99 Posted April 4 Posted April 4 Gestede is the one picking the style of play and saying he has to play youngsters for x minutes. 1 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted April 4 Posted April 4 Very normal in football for the Director of Football to employ a head coach that style or develop youngsters, etc just like many football clubs at all levels,Β 1 Quote
RoversClitheroe Posted April 4 Posted April 4 1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said: Very normal in football for the Director of Football to employ a head coach that style or develop youngsters, etc just like many football clubs at all levels,Β We're not a normal club Chaddy. The other club I know that tried to do this was Man UTD and they quickly got rid. Quote
roversfan99 Posted April 4 Posted April 4 2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said: Very normal in football for the Director of Football to employ a head coach that style or develop youngsters, etc just like many football clubs at all levels,Β Common, yes. Sensible? Not necessarily. Quote
RoversClitheroe Posted April 6 Posted April 6 What's Nicko saying about Rovers?Β A war chest for an Ismael transformation? Lol Quote
chaddyrovers Posted April 6 Posted April 6 On 04/04/2025 at 22:24, roversfan99 said: Common, yes. Sensible? Not necessarily. So what would you change and who would make the final decision that is different to the common process?. Quote
paullarrygher Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) 4 hours ago, RoversClitheroe said: What's Nicko saying about Rovers?Β A war chest for an Ismael transformation? Lol No mention about any money. Just that he's planning to "transform" the squad in the summer and that the games this season are just a trial to see who he'll keep in the squad. Honestly, it's just pure tosh.Β Quote Β Ismael said: "The massive change I want to put in can come in the summer. I need the team I want to win and get the perfect performance. "I have not changed things so far. I wanted to balance between what we have and what we need to push for more, We are preparing things already. "But right now it is about the current squad and seeing how they are developing. We will see how players do and make decisions." Rovers are now slipping back from the play-offs with games running out but Ismael said: "I don't think about the top six. "I just need to think about winning a game. If we start to win you will see the position and we can talk about it." Β Β Edited April 6 by paullarrygher 1 Quote
KentExile Posted April 6 Posted April 6 9 minutes ago, paullarrygher said: No mention about any money. Just that he's planning to "transform" the squad into a League one team during the summer and that the games this season are just a trial to see who in the squad. Honestly, it's just pure tosh.Β Β fixed it for you Quote
roversfan99 Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said: So what would you change and who would make the final decision that is different to the common process?. The manager should decide how he wants to play and shouldnt have any stupid instructions or demands. Quote
davulsukur Posted April 6 Posted April 6 41 minutes ago, paullarrygher said: No mention about any money. Just that he's planning to "transform" the squad in the summer and that the games this season are just a trial to see who in the squad. Honestly, it's just pure tosh.Β Β ππ Another paid for by the club story. Fucking hell, we've won 0 games under this clown. He getting rid of the entire squad is he? 3 Quote
sharpysharps86 Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) I haven't seen the Nixon story but from the headline alone I can tell it is the fluffiest fluff you'll find. A nothing story. Of course there will be a squad transformation, look at the number of short term / out of contract players there are. Regardless of who is head coach next season, the summer will be just like the one when Coyle came in...a bunch of cheap / free / loan players that form a ragtag bunch of a squad. Basically what we've ended up with this season but probably even worse. Edited April 6 by sharpysharps86 2 Quote
alcd Posted April 6 Posted April 6 15 minutes ago, davulsukur said: ππ Another paid for by the club story. Fucking hell, we've won 0 games under this clown. He getting rid of the entire squad is he? Probably, to be replaced by the usual free transfers and loans plus Academy players who are either not ready or not good enough. And it will all come with another bout of unspent transfer income and a further reduction in the payroll. Relegation is nailed on for next season but the owners and their 3 overpaid stooges will be content with that.Β Quote
alcd Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 minute ago, sharpysharps86 said: I haven't seen the Nixon story but from the headline alone I can tell it is the fluffiest fluff you'll find. A nothing story. Of course there will be a squad transformation, look at the number of loans and short term / out of contract players there are. Regardless of who is head coach next season, the summer will be just like the one when Coyle came in...a bunch of cheap / free / loan players that form a ragtag bunch of a squad. Basically what we've ended up with this season but probably even worse. Absolutely spot on.Β Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 hour ago, paullarrygher said: No mention about any money. Just that he's planning to "transform" the squad in the summer and that the games this season are just a trial to see who in the squad. Honestly, it's just pure tosh.Β Β Imagine saying everyone is on trial to see who should be in the squad for next season when you were handed the job in 5th place. How do these people say this with a straight face? 6 Quote
simongarnerisgod Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said: Imagine saying everyone is on trial to see who should be in the squad for next season when you were handed the job in 5th place. How do these people say this with a straight face? as a player you are in a play off spot and he quotes that ,you ar`nt going to exactly going to give it all for your manager are you Quote
chaddyrovers Posted April 6 Posted April 6 4 hours ago, roversfan99 said: The manager should decide how he wants to play and shouldnt have any stupid instructions or demands. But clubs appoint a head coach that suits the style they want to play. That's how football works, That why they have appoint that person in the first place.Β Quote
roversfan99 Posted April 6 Posted April 6 29 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: But clubs appoint a head coach that suits the style they want to play. That's how football works, That why they have appoint that person in the first place.Β My point is that its a backwards way of working. Quote
chaddyrovers Posted April 6 Posted April 6 Just now, roversfan99 said: My point is that its a backwards way of working. yet most football clubs do it, despite you saying it the backwards way of working.Β So here is a question, would you employ a head coach who wants to play 3-4-3 formation yet you don't have the players that suit that formation or style of play?Β Quote
Wheelton Blue Posted April 6 Posted April 6 35 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: yet most football clubs do it, despite you saying it the backwards way of working.Β So here is a question, would you employ a head coach who wants to play 3-4-3 formation yet you don't have the players that suit that formation or style of play?Β Like what we've just done you mean? 1 Quote
RoversClitheroe Posted April 6 Posted April 6 46 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: yet most football clubs do it, despite you saying it the backwards way of working.Β So here is a question, would you employ a head coach who wants to play 3-4-3 formation yet you don't have the players that suit that formation or style of play?Β Chaddy. Have the last 3 managers had the same consistent style of football? Quote
chaddyrovers Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) 2 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said: Like what we've just done you mean? Have we? In his last 2 jobs played 4-2-3-1 and mostly played 4-2-3-1 in the first 6 games here.Β Next season he might go to back 3 formation if he still here. I wouldnt play back 3 formation as my preference is 4-2-3-1.Β Edited April 6 by chaddyrovers Quote
roversfan99 Posted April 6 Posted April 6 5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said: yet most football clubs do it, despite you saying it the backwards way of working.Β So here is a question, would you employ a head coach who wants to play 3-4-3 formation yet you don't have the players that suit that formation or style of play?Β You seem to think that anything a football club does must be right. Well no, you probably wouldnt. You also wouldnt employ a crap manager whose only successful stint in this country relied on long ball and tell him to play possession based football. But thats modern day Rovers for you. A manager/head coach should be allowed to play whatever style wants and feels is most suited to what he has at his disposal and be then judged on the results that follow. Im yet to see why it makes sense not to do that with your only attempted counter argument being that "well football clubs do it." Quote
47er Posted April 7 Posted April 7 5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said: yet most football clubs do it, despite you saying it the backwards way of working.Β So here is a question, would you employ a head coach who wants to play 3-4-3 formation yet you don't have the players that suit that formation or style of play?Β This is trivial in comparison to the real problems. Above all we need a squad that's good enough and a Β manger who can get the best out of them. We are a million miles away from that You're talking peripheral issues. Doesn't matter what the formation is if the rest of the ducks aren't in line. Quote
chaddyrovers Posted April 7 Posted April 7 7 hours ago, roversfan99 said: You seem to think that anything a football club does must be right. Wrong, I don't but I dont have a problem with clubs picking their head coach appointment based on their squad and what style they play. Just like I agree with the head coach only getting involved in transfers at the players shortlist stage and not before hand. Yes the head coach should pick the target from the shortlist present to him from the recruitment/scouting department.Β 7 hours ago, roversfan99 said: Well no, you probably wouldnt. Right, thanks for answering the question. My question was based around United appointing Amorim mid season with a squad that doesn't suit him.Β 7 hours ago, roversfan99 said: You also wouldnt employ a crap manager whose only successful stint in this country relied on long ball and tell him to play possession based football. But thats modern day Rovers for you. Ismael played possession based football at Watford and Besiktas 7 hours ago, roversfan99 said: A manager/head coach should be allowed to play whatever style wants and feels is most suited to what he has at his disposal and be then judged on the results that follow. Im yet to see why it makes sense not to do that with your only attempted counter argument being that "well football clubs do it." So why wouldn't not appoint a head coach in the first place who suits the players in the first place?Β Quote
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