SIMON GARNERS 194 Posted Friday at 19:43 Posted Friday at 19:43 Mega re-build for promotion from Div 1 Season 26/27. 2 Quote
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Exiled_Rover Posted Friday at 19:45 Posted Friday at 19:45 10 hours ago, JHRover said: I'm pretty confident they will be able to scoop together upwards of Β£5 million if they get things right this summer. Brittain, Travis, Tronstad, Carter, Hyam and one or two of the academy lads, probably Harvey Higgins top of the list.Β They'll also have their fingers and toes crossed that Adam Wharton gets bought by a big club and then they've a sell on fee to trouser, which at those sort of figures will probably take care of the annual losses in one swoop. Not only that but they will be able to boast about the Rovers' academy and how good it is that he's got a move to a giant club, utterly failing to read the room and recognise how totally ridiculous they are having bundled him out the door mid-season in the first place.Β In theory sales of 2-3 of those above ought to significantly cut the wage bill again particularly when we factor in the departures of Sigurdsson and Dolan on top, but one thing that never seems to drop very much is the old wage bill / outgoings. It seems whatever savings we make on that front are quickly matched by costs somewhere else.... Β It's ALMOST like they're committing fraud... 2 Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted Friday at 19:50 Posted Friday at 19:50 2 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said: travis.tronstadt,carter,brittain and pears,probably get 5 million for the lot,not a lot for ismaels mega rebuild.i suggest he flies to india and brings gifts forΒ the chicken abusers,it`s worked before So on top of needing approx. 6 first team players we're going to replace the heart of the team with that Β£5m? Seems unlikely.Β 2 Quote
simongarnerisgod Posted Friday at 20:16 Posted Friday at 20:16 43 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: Isd??? a highly addictive hallucinogenic drug that gives you a detached view of the world and makes you talk **** 2 Quote
roversfan99 Posted Friday at 21:01 Posted Friday at 21:01 Imagine after all what has happened being so confident that we are going to have a decent transfer window, seemingly believing a word Suhail says in the process.Β Also, imagine thinking previous transfer windows were a success. Yet still demanding the same positions to be strengthened as we tried to last summer. Surely the penny would drop that it clearly was not a good window. 2 Quote
roversfan99 Posted Friday at 21:02 Posted Friday at 21:02 Imagine after all what has happened being so confident that we are going to have a decent transfer window, seemingly believing a word Suhail says in the process.Β Also, imagine thinking previous transfer windows were a success. Yet still demanding the same positions to be strengthened as we tried to last summer. Surely the penny would drop that it clearly was not a good window. Quote
47er Posted Friday at 22:15 Posted Friday at 22:15 10 hours ago, chaddyrovers said: Yes we need sign a number of new players who will fit into what Ismael(if he still here) style of play You see the danger there? We cull the squad and bring in players "who will fit into the managers style of play", it then emerges that its not the players we've got rid of that were the problem but he simply isn't a good manager? Lost good players, recruited more crap, have to pay off his long contract and have to find a new manager who might have a different "style of play" ( whatever that means). Brilliant!! Quote
London blue Posted Saturday at 06:32 Posted Saturday at 06:32 19 hours ago, chaddyrovers said: Yes we need sign a number of new players who will fit into what Ismael(if he still here) style of playΒ This one goes out to all the chumps who still think time is linear. It's a loop, see you all again in a few months folks. 6 Quote
KentExile Posted Saturday at 06:42 Posted Saturday at 06:42 (edited) 12 minutes ago, London blue said: This one goes out to all the chumps who still think time is linear. It's a loop, see you all again in a few months folks. I thought it was more of a spiral πΒ Edited Saturday at 06:44 by KentExile 1 Quote
JHRover Posted Saturday at 07:36 Posted Saturday at 07:36 9 hours ago, 47er said: You see the danger there? We cull the squad and bring in players "who will fit into the managers style of play", it then emerges that its not the players we've got rid of that were the problem but he simply isn't a good manager? Lost good players, recruited more crap, have to pay off his long contract and have to find a new manager who might have a different "style of play" ( whatever that means). Brilliant!! I think that's the whole plan. All the talk about rebuild, signing new players, strategies, plans, new ideas, ways of playing - it's all baseless fancy talk to cover for the real agenda which is that the majority of the current crop will either be out of contract (due to the club refusing to offer new terms), want to leave (due to the club being a joke) or the club will want to sell (to raise money to pay the owners bills). Sounds a lot better than the truth of the matter though, which is that cost cutting is the only aim, signing a load of new players is the inevitable result of that approach. 1 Quote
davulsukur Posted Saturday at 08:28 Posted Saturday at 08:28 (edited) 13 hours ago, chaddyrovers said: He has said it on the record and now it can be used to see whether its true or not when we see the accountsΒ Yes you say the same thing every time. no change here.Β You didn't expect us to spend last summer but we did and brought in some good quality players on permanent and loan dealsΒ Are all the transfer fees in the public or just guess what we think it is We didn't spend that summer cos if FFP commitments and we sold our STC to meet them and had that money to spend the summer afterΒ Rovers will get that next Wharton instalment plus Wharton could be sold which could bring in between Β£8m to Β£12m.Β Which just means the owners have to put less in. It doesn't mean we'll have an increased transfer budget. It's never meant an increased transfer budget.Β Edited Saturday at 08:29 by davulsukur 5 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted Saturday at 09:08 Posted Saturday at 09:08 12 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said: a highly addictive hallucinogenic drug that gives you a detached view of the world and makes you talk **** Clearly something you have great knowledge of. Don't do Drugs thanks, don't need that sort of stuff to have enjoy life.Β π 1 Quote
KentExile Posted Saturday at 09:15 Posted Saturday at 09:15 (edited) 13 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said: a highly addictive hallucinogenic drug that gives you a detached view of the world and makes you talk **** I always think that Thomas Frank looks like he indulges in hallucinogens in a big way Edited Saturday at 09:17 by KentExile Quote
den Posted Saturday at 09:16 Posted Saturday at 09:16 Weβre talking like bringing in players who fit the managers style is something revolutionary. Isnβt that what every manager ever should have been doing. Its also a bit easier to do when youβve got some cash to spend and you hit the market early. When youβre last in line and waiting for clubs who have finished their transfer window business to release their players who arenβt needed at that point, itβs almost impossible to bring in players matched to your βplansβ. 2 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted Saturday at 09:24 Posted Saturday at 09:24 12 hours ago, roversfan99 said: Imagine after all what has happened being so confident that we are going to have a decent transfer window, seemingly believing a word Suhail says in the process.Β Also, imagine thinking previous transfer windows were a success. Yet still demanding the same positions to be strengthened as we tried to last summer. Surely the penny would drop that it clearly was not a good window. Never said I believe what Suhail Pasha said but what I actually said he has said that on the record was the point being made. Clearly you just read what you want on that The summer transfer window was decent but nowhere near as bad as you make but clearly Ohashi, Weimann, Batth, Gueye and Beck were all crap signings in your opinion.Β Who knows what this window will be like but I ain't going to write it off in April like you have done already.Β Β Quote
Gav Posted Saturday at 09:29 Posted Saturday at 09:29 VI only success as a manager came at Barnsley where he reached the play offs. He played the long ball with limited player ability and zero budget to speak of, a superb effort given the circumstances. I firmly believe that season alone sold him to our morons in the boardroom.Β Β 8 Quote
Gamst Posted Saturday at 09:38 Posted Saturday at 09:38 7 minutes ago, Gav said: VI only success as a manager came at Barnsley where he reached the play offs. He played the long ball with limited player ability and zero budget to speak of, a superb effort given the circumstances. I firmly believe that season alone sold him to our morons in the boardroom.Β Β I think youβre probably right. What the morons should also have noticed is that Barnsley sit marooned in mid table in league 1. You might get lucky and buck the trend and have a good season when you underinvest, but the direction of travel will always be downwards.Β Quote
47er Posted Saturday at 10:40 Posted Saturday at 10:40 3 hours ago, JHRover said: I think that's the whole plan. All the talk about rebuild, signing new players, strategies, plans, new ideas, ways of playing - it's all baseless fancy talk to cover for the real agenda which is that the majority of the current crop will either be out of contract (due to the club refusing to offer new terms), want to leave (due to the club being a joke) or the club will want to sell (to raise money to pay the owners bills). Sounds a lot better than the truth of the matter though, which is that cost cutting is the only aim, signing a load of new players is the inevitable result of that approach. Well they've fooled Chaddy! Quote
roversfan99 Posted Saturday at 10:50 Posted Saturday at 10:50 1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said: Never said I believe what Suhail Pasha said but what I actually said he has said that on the record was the point being made. Clearly you just read what you want on that The summer transfer window was decent but nowhere near as bad as you make but clearly Ohashi, Weimann, Batth, Gueye and Beck were all crap signings in your opinion.Β Who knows what this window will be like but I ain't going to write it off in April like you have done already.Β Β The transfer recruitment across the season has been poor. Doesnt mean that every player signed has been poor. But I think it says a lot that the 3 biggest successes are players that were brought in too boost the squad rather than the main areas we needed to strengthen. Both Batth and Weimann have been very useful members of the squad who we had to rely too much on and due to age, both of their bodies broke down and saw them miss big chunks of the season. The same happened with Beck who was brought in to add competition at left back. We needed a goalscorer in the summer. Ohashi has 7 goals and Gueye only 6 and you are calling for another striker in the summer. If you truly believed they were as good as you keep saying, you wouldnt think we needed another. I think we have a fair idea what this window will be like. We wont even have the crumbs of any sales to spend. We constantly get small budgets, why would we get Β£4-5m? We have a novice overseeing recruitment, why would we have a good window? Do you have faith that it will be one of good recruitment and a decent budget or are you just saying you dont know either way? Quote
chaddyrovers Posted Saturday at 11:40 Posted Saturday at 11:40 25 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: The transfer recruitment across the season has been poor. I would say its been a mixed bag of good, decent, ok and poor over the 2 windows.Β 25 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: Doesnt mean that every player signed has been poor. But I think it says a lot that the 3 biggest successes are players that were brought in too boost the squad rather than the main areas we needed to strengthen. Both Batth and Weimann have been very useful members of the squad who we had to rely too much on and due to age, both of their bodies broke down and saw them miss big chunks of the season. The same happened with Beck who was brought in to add competition at left back. I would sort of agree to a point.Β I would say Beck was our signing this season tbh along with Weimann and Ohashi.Β 25 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: We needed a goalscorer in the summer. Ohashi has 7 goals and Gueye only 6 and you are calling for another striker in the summer. If you truly believed they were as good as you keep saying, you wouldnt think we needed another. Ohashi played for 6/7 months in Japan before coming here so you really didn't expect an injury or rest time needed for him given no way could he play a full season. Do you accept that or not?Β On Gueye, his first few games he played ok/good but his sending off affected him for months in my opinion and around December/Christmas time he scored his first goal at Sheffield Wednesday and his confidence improved.Β I think Both players Ohashi and Gueye have proved more than enough to myself to be class as good signings for us Yes we need another striker cos Ohashi can play as 9 or 10, Gueye is a 9 then we have Leonard who has picked another injury sadly. You want 3 or 4 options up front cos injuries, form and suspension will happened during a season.Β 25 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: I think we have a fair idea what this window will be like. We wont even have the crumbs of any sales to spend. We constantly get small budgets, why would we get Β£4-5m? We got that amount this season and given the money that we will receive during the summer like Wharton next instalment from Palace and more likely around Β£10m from the sell on clause of Wharton, then add Dolan compo, sell of squad players.Β 25 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: We have a novice overseeing recruitment, why would we have a good window? Is Gestede scouting the players now?Β We had a good window imo last summer 25 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: Do you have faith that it will be one of good recruitment and a decent budget or are you just saying you dont know either way? we see during the summer, you be asking for the 6 numbers for tonight lotto nextΒ Quote
martonrover Posted Saturday at 11:45 Posted Saturday at 11:45 2 hours ago, Gav said: VI only success as a manager came at Barnsley where he reached the play offs. He played the long ball with limited player ability and zero budget to speak of, a superb effort given the circumstances. I firmly believe that season alone sold him to our morons in the boardroom.Β Β Yes, that and he was unemployed, cheap and I reckon Gestede liked the idea of a fellow countryman as head coach. 1 Quote
roversfan99 Posted Saturday at 12:18 Posted Saturday at 12:18 37 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: I would say its been a mixed bag of good, decent, ok and poor over the 2 windows.Β I would sort of agree to a point.Β I would say Beck was our signing this season tbh along with Weimann and Ohashi.Β Ohashi played for 6/7 months in Japan before coming here so you really didn't expect an injury or rest time needed for him given no way could he play a full season. Do you accept that or not?Β On Gueye, his first few games he played ok/good but his sending off affected him for months in my opinion and around December/Christmas time he scored his first goal at Sheffield Wednesday and his confidence improved.Β I think Both players Ohashi and Gueye have proved more than enough to myself to be class as good signings for us Yes we need another striker cos Ohashi can play as 9 or 10, Gueye is a 9 then we have Leonard who has picked another injury sadly. You want 3 or 4 options up front cos injuries, form and suspension will happened during a season.Β We got that amount this season and given the money that we will receive during the summer like Wharton next instalment from Palace and more likely around Β£10m from the sell on clause of Wharton, then add Dolan compo, sell of squad players.Β Is Gestede scouting the players now?Β We had a good window imo last summer we see during the summer, you be asking for the 6 numbers for tonight lotto nextΒ "We got that amount this season" shows you do indeed trust the words from Suhail. Quote
chaddyrovers Posted Saturday at 12:32 Posted Saturday at 12:32 (edited) 21 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: "We got that amount this season" shows you do indeed trust the words from Suhail. wrong, just using his words he has said and placed on the record. key difference and something you still don't get RF99.Β Edited Saturday at 12:39 by chaddyrovers Quote
47er Posted Saturday at 12:48 Posted Saturday at 12:48 3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said: clearly Ohashi, Weimann, Batth, Gueye and Beck were all crap signings in your opinion.Β Beck was a loan, the rest have hardly set the world Β on fire. Weimann will always be remembered for that equaliser v Burnley but not much else. Look where we are in the League Table----you were always keen to point it out when we were in the top 6, not so much now eh? That tells you whether we had successful transfer windows or not-----results. 1 Quote
roversfan99 Posted Saturday at 12:53 Posted Saturday at 12:53 Went into this season still needing "a new number 1." Failed specactularly with another no mark from abroad deemed to be even worse than calamity Pears. Still need a new keeper. Went into this season needing a striker who can score goals. Signed 2, one has 7 league goals, the other has 6. Neither get into most teams in the league. Still need one. Went into this season needing "pacy wingers" and also still need some of them. Also going into this summer needing a lorry load of signings with many of the squad either on loan, on short term deals soon to expire or going into the last year of their deals. If this season has been good recruitment then imagine what bad recruitment looks like. 2 Quote
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