47er Posted April 16 Posted April 16 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Parsonblue said: The one constant that remains are the supporters - through good times and bad. In a way. There are always supporters but the numbers vary widely from time to time, as you know better than most since you've chronicled it in your book! It will get to the point when the low numbers will a) become dispiritingly low and b) affect the ability of the club to carry on. If that hasn't been reached already that is. Similarly there will always be a Blackburn Rovers I believe, but at what level? Chances are, unless things change drastically, your travel bill will be massively reduced. Edited April 16 by 47er Quote
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roversfan99 Posted April 16 Posted April 16 The staff will get paid either way. Its in no way a comment or an opinion about people getting a season ticket or not. I dont think anyone should be saying what others should or shouldnt do and what one individual does or doesnt do is immaterial. But just pointing out that it very much is going to the owners in terms of reducing what they need to cover the losses, it isnt the difference between any member of staff getting paid or not. And if it is going to the "club" then the owners sadly own the club. People dont need to justify buying a season ticket over the false pretence that its paying the staff. The only difference it makes is knocking a very small slither off what the tosspot owners need to put in to cover losses. Equally, no one should guilt trip those who do buy one as even if they didnt, the owners wont suddenly decide to sell or even question the board based on sales. 2 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted April 16 Posted April 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said: No idea is the honest answer. How would you honestly know all that unless you had a detail break down of each staff wage Years ago it was Cheston i think who said all the money taken at Ewood goes towards the staff at Ewood and operational staff whilst the owners underwrite the football players and football staff costs. Pretty self explanatory when you look at the figures, biggest bulk of income is media/player sales and owners loans, biggest expense by far is football staff and player wages. A couple of mill in season tickets just about covers the directors and staff inside Ewood. Edited April 16 by Tomphil2 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted April 16 Posted April 16 I have been honest why I have renewed my ST for next season. Completely no brainer for me 2 Quote
Ghost7 Posted April 16 Posted April 16 50 minutes ago, Parsonblue said: The sales of season tickets helps to pay the wages of staff who work in the club offices, the shop, the cleaners, the maintenance guys etc. Already renewed my season ticket - there was never any doubt that I would. Everyone makes their own decision. I've made mine and I'm more than happy with it. Will renew my away travel season ticket when that comes out. Owners, CEO's, directors, managers, players come and go. The one constant that remains are the supporters - through good times and bad. Whatever they charge you? Quote
martonrover Posted April 16 Posted April 16 Sorry, whilst I respect anyone’s decision to do so, it is a fact that the more people that buy season or match tickets, the more chance the status quo is maintained. People can dress it up any which way they want about where the money goes, but indirectly, and ultimately, it makes it easier for the owners to keep this futile cycle going for longer. It will make change take longer. Quote
Popular Post JHRover Posted April 16 Author Popular Post Posted April 16 Struggling to think of any other industry or business in the world where paying customers are expected to hand over hundreds of pounds of their money every year to witness that business be deliberately or negligently run into the ground and provide an ever deteriorating product. Where the ownership and management of that business give not a single solitary toss about the views of any of these paying customers and will not shift their approach in the slightest to try and improve, grow, advance the business, quite the opposite infact, they'll do just about everything they can to hinder and restrict it. The regime owning and running this organisation would long ago have delivered total collapse or destruction in any other industry. Yet in football it just starts again in the summer for another year of more. Where everyone, from employees, players, down to fans are treated with nothing but disrespect and contempt, yet come renewal time it's over to those people to come up with the cash so that bonuses can be collected next time around. 'No brainer' seems like a good description of this to me but probably for very different reasons. 11 1 Quote
M_B Posted April 17 Posted April 17 It always comes down to this argument, it's so predictable. Where does subscribing to Sky sit in all this? Quote
Herbie6590 Posted April 17 Posted April 17 18 hours ago, Mattyblue said: I’d never even given it a second thought before this summer. My overarching feeling on it is (putting the ‘making a stand’ and all that to one side) purely on a personal psychological/leisure time perspective, if I stop, that’s me done as with a decent distance to travel to Ewood and all the fixture moves/night games/on TV anyway, I’d very quickly get used to not losing a day of my weekend every other week. That’s my story. I gave up my s/t after they appointed Coyle. I now do a handful of home games when I can meet family/friends & make an afternoon of it & similarly pick 2 or 3 plum away games to make a weekend of. The scary thing is, I don’t now know how I found the time & the money… 1 Quote
Herbie6590 Posted April 17 Posted April 17 12 hours ago, Tomphil2 said: Haven't seen a post that said it does. It does pay the wages and perks of Swaghail and Gestede though.... Per Harry Berry…where your money goes & why folks still renew… 2 Quote
Herbie6590 Posted April 17 Posted April 17 43 minutes ago, M_B said: It always comes down to this argument, it's so predictable. Where does subscribing to Sky sit in all this? Sky subscribers are more important financially to the club than season ticket holders… 2 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted April 17 Posted April 17 13 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said: Per Harry Berry…where your money goes & why folks still renew… Well he doesn't like me he blocked me on twitter for calling out these lot repeatedly but regardless of that when guys like him start to flag this up you have to take notice. These people are concerned first and foremost with covering their own jobs and salaries and the numerous other perks and ego trips that come with their positions. The min they are questioned or put into the spotlight they go into meltdown and panic mode, that tells its own story. It's a real comfortable little number keeping the club barely ticking over with no other ambition than to keep the lights on and keep the ownership under impression that is all their club should now do in this era and everyone is happy. 1 Quote
Moderation Lead K-Hod Posted April 17 Moderation Lead Posted April 17 Season ticket sales are a drop in the ocean. Also, some people aren’t letting their hatred of our owners beat their love for the club. Either way, telling people they’re funding Venky’s really isn’t helpful, just as telling people that staying away is harmful to the club. Division is what they want…. 3 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted April 17 Posted April 17 10 hours ago, martonrover said: Sorry, whilst I respect anyone’s decision to do so, it is a fact that the more people that buy season or match tickets, the more chance the status quo is maintained. People can dress it up any which way they want about where the money goes, but indirectly, and ultimately, it makes it easier for the owners to keep this futile cycle going for longer. It will make change take longer. It's your decision going to make a different tho you want to see? We lost over 10k STH and Premier League money yet they are still here and ita look like they going nowhere Quote
Mattyblue Posted April 17 Posted April 17 If ST sales collapse to say c4,000 (2,000 full adults) next season will it push them closer to the door? At any normal club, of course it would (that would be an enormous decline from c20,000 when they arrived), the Oystons are a prime example of NAPM having the requisite result - here? I’m not convinced as we just can’t look at these owners through the lens of standard business norms. 1 Quote
JHRover Posted April 17 Author Posted April 17 (edited) We know for sure that over the last few years there has been a significant cut in the amount of money coming out of India to fund the club. Now that might be because the owners simply would rather not send it, it might be that they are unable to send as much as the once did, it might be that the stooges are advising them they don't need to send as much because they can get the club washing its own face and in return get hefty bonuses and perks from the savings they achieve. End result is the same - less cash moving from India to Rovers. They've got away with it the last few years by demolishing the squad and selling off the family silver. Low hanging fruit stuff. You don't need to have a particular set of skills to flog an Adam Wharton or Sammie Szmodics off the back of JDT's outstanding work in nurturing them. You just need to ride on the coat-tails of the coaching staff work, sell them, get a pat on the back from the money men. That little party is coming to an end now, because best case, and it probably relegates us to League One, is they sell off the remaining few assets for a combined few million. However you view buying or not buying a season ticket, or whether you consider it significant in the scheme of things, it all comes back to the same source - Venkys and their ability/willingness to keep funding this. The music is slowing and pretty soon someone is going to be left holding a time-bomb. At best they can stave it off by going to India cap in hand for more money. Maybe the morons in India will simply cough up and keep the party going, maybe they can't/won't any more, and then this wretched monstrous regime comes crashing down for good. Edited April 17 by JHRover 3 Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted April 17 Posted April 17 24 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: It's your decision going to make a different tho you want to see? We lost over 10k STH and Premier League money yet they are still here and ita look like they going nowhere No, probably not, but I can't morally financially support this club any longer. Quote
martonrover Posted April 17 Posted April 17 1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said: It's your decision going to make a different tho you want to see? We lost over 10k STH and Premier League money yet they are still here and ita look like they going nowhere It has more chance of making a difference than continuing to pay money in. What that is doing is feeding the disease, (the owners). The only way to get rid of the disease is to starve it. Just to clarify once again, I bear no malice to anyone who renews / buys tickets, and in some cases there are very good reasons, (eg attending with kids or elderly parents). I also get the “it’s our club and I’m not going to let Venkys stop me from going” argument, but for me I’d now rather step away and try and remember the club I supported home and away between 1978 - 2010. This is no longer Blackburn Rovers for me, but merely a swarm of parasites moving a corpse. If you buy tickets you are helping to prop up this pale imitation of the club, and potentially killing it with kindness. 4 1 Quote
rigger Posted April 17 Posted April 17 6 minutes ago, martonrover said: It has more chance of making a difference than continuing to pay money in. What that is doing is feeding the disease, (the owners). The only way to get rid of the disease is to starve it. Just to clarify once again, I bear no malice to anyone who renews / buys tickets, and in some cases there are very good reasons, (eg attending with kids or elderly parents). I also get the “it’s our club and I’m not going to let Venkys stop me from going” argument, but for me I’d now rather step away and try and remember the club I supported home and away between 1978 - 2010. This is no longer Blackburn Rovers for me, but merely a swarm of parasites moving a corpse. If you buy tickets you are helping to prop up this pale imitation of the club, and potentially killing it with kindness. I can no longer see past, that I don't think the season tickets are value for money. If you do think they are value for money, everyone is entitled to act on their opinion. 1 1 Quote
Mattyblue Posted April 17 Posted April 17 (edited) It all comes down to what you believe ‘the club’ is. If you think ‘supporting the club’ just entails watching blue and white shirts at Ewood every other week, then you don’t have anything to weigh up this summer. If however by wanting the best for ‘the club’ you believe you need to do what it takes to get these owners currently killing it out the door, and you feel not handing over ST money can aid that (if it will with these strange people is another matter) then surely you are also ‘supporting the club’. Edited April 17 by Mattyblue 1 Quote
Hasta Posted April 17 Posted April 17 (edited) For me at the moment I just don't feel like having the piss taken out of me any more. This could change over the long summer. It's not the pricing personally. I'm lucky enough to be able to afford it. It's not even the bad decisions. It's the lack of transparency and the lies. It's the fact they think they can tell the customers whatever they want to cover up their ineptitude and we will just swallow it and pay the £400+. It's now simply the fact they genuinely don't make any effort to keep me as a customer, they just expect it. And for the first time in a while they can now get stuffed. I didn't renew after relegation in 2012. I said I would only return once Kean was gone. And on the 29th September 2012 I duly bought a season ticket. This time I don't know. Ismael and Waggot could leave tomorrow and they would just rearrange the deck chairs. Edited April 17 by Hasta 2 Quote
robbo_rovers Posted April 17 Posted April 17 I'm really torn on what to do for next season. I have a ST with my now 8 year old and this is our 3rd season with season tickets. I really can't find the enthusiasm to renew but I'm starting to get the feeling I will to preserve my 8 year old's love for the club & players. He doesn't understand what's going on off the pitch. If I call it a day now he might lose interest completely and possibly forever. We have a 100 mile round trip so struggle with night games and early Saturday kick-offs (he plays for a team on Saturday mornings). Whilst I tell myself we'd still attend Saturday 3pm kick off games and pay as you go, I know we might quickly get out of the habit of going. Quote
arbitro Posted April 17 Posted April 17 5 minutes ago, robbo_rovers said: I'm really torn on what to do for next season. I have a ST with my now 8 year old and this is our 3rd season with season tickets. I really can't find the enthusiasm to renew but I'm starting to get the feeling I will to preserve my 8 year old's love for the club & players. He doesn't understand what's going on off the pitch. If I call it a day now he might lose interest completely and possibly forever. We have a 100 mile round trip so struggle with night games and early Saturday kick-offs (he plays for a team on Saturday mornings). Whilst I tell myself we'd still attend Saturday 3pm kick off games and pay as you go, I know we might quickly get out of the habit of going. Good post and this is just one of many dilemmas that individuals are wrestling with. Ultimately the decision is down to the person buying the ticket(s) and there is absolutely no right or wrong here. 2 Quote
Forever Blue Posted April 17 Posted April 17 It’s arrogant to assume you have the right to tell someone not to buy a season ticket. I’m fully in the NAPM camp, but can totally understand why fans will still turn up every week, despite their hatred of the owners/board. It’s our club after all, we just don’t own it. 4 Quote
M_B Posted April 17 Posted April 17 13 hours ago, martonrover said: Sorry, whilst I respect anyone’s decision to do so, it is a fact that the more people that buy season or match tickets, the more chance the status quo is maintained. People can dress it up any which way they want about where the money goes, but indirectly, and ultimately, it makes it easier for the owners to keep this futile cycle going for longer. It will make change take longer. It isn't a fact, it's an opinion. What is a fact is that season ticket sales have dropped through the floor, but they haven't shown any sign of leaving. Quote
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