Popular Post ... Posted Thursday at 08:09 Popular Post Posted Thursday at 08:09 5 minutes ago, arbitro said: Reading many of the posts on here and speaking to people I don't think the prices are the issue for many. There is severe disenchantment amongst many fans and the latest farce in January will have been the tipping point for more of them. Yea its all about how things are being done. I'd pay a £500 ST if we were in 3rd tier under the right ownership with a vision and everyone pushing the same way 12 Quote
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Mattyblue Posted Thursday at 08:09 Posted Thursday at 08:09 It’ll be £500 behind the goal in the run up to KO, that is not cheap, and that’s before you get to the general shambles that is this football club. 1 Quote
arbitro Posted Thursday at 08:12 Posted Thursday at 08:12 2 minutes ago, 47er said: Given the number and significance of recent disasters the ticketing prices are akin to rubbing your nose in it. I agree fans wouldn't be so hostile to these prices if they knew they were going to get something out of it. But its once again a case of more and more for less and less. Without doubt. The prices are thoughtless but Waggott just hasn't read the room with regard to the depth of feeling. 6 Quote
arbitro Posted Thursday at 08:17 Posted Thursday at 08:17 5 minutes ago, Mattyblue said: It’ll be £500 behind the goal in the run up to KO, that is not cheap, and that’s before you get to the general shambles that is this football club. It isn't cheap and no doubt there will be some not renewing simply because of the cost but doing comparisons with other clubs prices doesn't tell the whole story from a Rovers point of view. 2 Quote
Mattyblue Posted Thursday at 08:19 Posted Thursday at 08:19 (edited) Exactly, rising prices at a club in complete disarray that can only lead to a poor product on the pitch = substantial fall in ST Holders and indeed, less revenue. Edited Thursday at 08:19 by Mattyblue Quote
martonrover Posted Thursday at 08:35 Posted Thursday at 08:35 34 minutes ago, Gav said: I would never criticise anyone for going, its personal choice, but refusing to buy a season ticket is a protest in itself and my god its about time the fanbase protested. Absolutely, as is not buying individual match tickets for home games. Not a penny more. 1 Quote
Popular Post Tomphil2 Posted Thursday at 09:16 Popular Post Posted Thursday at 09:16 If you were a finance person sat in an office in London or India with zero interest or connection other than its just landed on your desk this is exactly how you'd go about re-setting prices. They've just looked at the dearest seats and said well people who go there can afford more so hike it, next is the most popular area that always sells out first, right make those premiums seats as well. A token gesture to offset this.... well make it cheaper in the riverside so some can move or lump it. We know the main issue is the people at the top don't listen because they don't care, it's probably not even Waggots doing. 10 Quote
Mercer Posted Thursday at 09:20 Posted Thursday at 09:20 (edited) 1 hour ago, arbitro said: Without doubt. The prices are thoughtless but Waggott just hasn't read the room with regard to the depth of feeling. I think Waggott has 'read the room' but very sadly, IMO, he doesn't give a feck and will ride off into the sunset before next season with his hugely boosted pension pot which cost Rovers £159k in year to 30 June 2024 and goodness knows how much in year to 30 June 2025. Edited Thursday at 09:35 by Mercer Quote
Hasta Posted Thursday at 09:53 Posted Thursday at 09:53 25 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said: If you were a finance person sat in an office in London or India with zero interest or connection other than its just landed on your desk this is exactly how you'd go about re-setting prices. They've just looked at the dearest seats and said well people who go there can afford more so hike it, next is the most popular area that always sells out first, right make those premiums seats as well. A token gesture to offset this.... well make it cheaper in the riverside so some can move or lump it. We know the main issue is the people at the top don't listen because they don't care, it's probably not even Waggots doing. Exactly. They know which home areas are the most populated and have hit them with the price rise. They are offsetting the argument with "well if you want to pay less move into the Riverside", again knowing most people who have spent 30 years in the BBE or the JW aren't really going to do that. 2 Quote
Popular Post JHRover Posted Thursday at 10:00 Author Popular Post Posted Thursday at 10:00 It is interesting how they want to compare us to other Championship clubs when they can find figures that suit their agenda, such as those appearing in the Lancashire Telegraph and those that Yasar Sufi has been spouting on twitter. They've obviously spent time scouring the internet for details on what offerings are available at other Championship/Football League clubs and are now trying to compare Rovers' to those as justification for the Ewood Park prices. They aren't so quick to draw comparisons when it comes to investment in players, contracts, facilities, general management, not allowing your manager and players to walk out the door to rival clubs. They want to compare to rival clubs when it suits, but when it doesn't, for example when there is an expectation on them investing in the transfer window or reinvesting proceeds from sales, they are very quick to point out that our gates don't stand up to rival clubs or our revenues are less and we can't do a,b or c. Of course we have 20,000 empty seats most weeks, which nobody else in the EFL has (save for MK Dons). We have managed to buck the national trend of substantial increases in attendances and have largely stagnated over the last 15 years. We have managed to make the conditions of the club intolerable to the point where our last two managers have run off mid-season including to Derby County. There's plenty more to go at on that front which kind of puts us into a different bracket to most other clubs. They really do seem to have an attitude there that all the nonsense that these owners and executives have created and inflicted over the last 5-6 years is gone, forgotten, irrelevant, nothing to take into consideration, all in the past, not a factor. I and many others don't forget or forgive just because now it's time for them to collect their money from us. They really do seem to have an attitude that the one and only concern of supporters is how much a ticket costs and how that compares to others. Ignorant or simply overlooking all the other stuff that has been going on that THEY have been a central part of. THEY are still here and THEY are likely to repeat it all over again as soon as they get a chance. 25 Quote
47er Posted Thursday at 10:48 Posted Thursday at 10:48 47 minutes ago, JHRover said: It is interesting how they want to compare us to other Championship clubs when they can find figures that suit their agenda, such as those appearing in the Lancashire Telegraph and those that Yasar Sufi has been spouting on twitter. They've obviously spent time scouring the internet for details on what offerings are available at other Championship/Football League clubs and are now trying to compare Rovers' to those as justification for the Ewood Park prices. They aren't so quick to draw comparisons when it comes to investment in players, contracts, facilities, general management, not allowing your manager and players to walk out the door to rival clubs. They want to compare to rival clubs when it suits, but when it doesn't, for example when there is an expectation on them investing in the transfer window or reinvesting proceeds from sales, they are very quick to point out that our gates don't stand up to rival clubs or our revenues are less and we can't do a,b or c. Of course we have 20,000 empty seats most weeks, which nobody else in the EFL has (save for MK Dons). We have managed to buck the national trend of substantial increases in attendances and have largely stagnated over the last 15 years. We have managed to make the conditions of the club intolerable to the point where our last two managers have run off mid-season including to Derby County. There's plenty more to go at on that front which kind of puts us into a different bracket to most other clubs. They really do seem to have an attitude there that all the nonsense that these owners and executives have created and inflicted over the last 5-6 years is gone, forgotten, irrelevant, nothing to take into consideration, all in the past, not a factor. I and many others don't forget or forgive just because now it's time for them to collect their money from us. They really do seem to have an attitude that the one and only concern of supporters is how much a ticket costs and how that compares to others. Ignorant or simply overlooking all the other stuff that has been going on that THEY have been a central part of. THEY are still here and THEY are likely to repeat it all over again as soon as they get a chance. Great post. Quote
Hasta Posted Thursday at 11:04 Posted Thursday at 11:04 (edited) Interesting that Derby give a 6.6% discount if you have had a season ticket for 5 years and a 13.5% discount if you have had a season ticket for 10+ years. Loyalty rewarded, not milked. Swansea's cheapest adult is £350, but you can also get a free child at that price. Two facts not mentioned by the LT article or Yasir. I'm sure there's plenty more if you dig beneath the surface. Edited Thursday at 11:04 by Hasta 2 Quote
Mattyblue Posted Thursday at 11:18 Posted Thursday at 11:18 Stoke have frozen their prices since 2008 - local owners that understand their fanbase and local economy. 8 Quote
davulsukur Posted Thursday at 11:20 Posted Thursday at 11:20 Anyone have the inside track on how the first few days of sales have gone? Not seen the club shouting about anything, so assume it's not been too good. Quote
ruggles1995 Posted Thursday at 11:44 Posted Thursday at 11:44 Even if they just showed a slight bit of ambition, by hiring a manager with some pedigree, or even got some contracts of the better players done, you might be more easily persuaded to pay an extra £50 in season ticket prices. But for me its the fact there F ing zero ambition. Venkys have got us into this mess and its sucking the fun out of everything. The matchday experience is even cheap. I go to the blues bar before games and the beers usually rubbish, the Guinness seems to be out most games cos they have problems with the pipes half the time or the beers are flat. There's no atmosphere in their, they could have some background music or even some live game commentary in the blues bar. They have had a live band in there this season and it was quite good. The match day half-time stuff is just kids shooting a ball in a 7 aside goal by the corner flag.. why not get some fans on the pitch at half time (home and away) doing something to win £50 or something entertaining that people get engaged by. I had a time in the club shop this season where the club didn't even have Blackburn bags or ANY bags when purchasing, thats embarrassing! couldn't even give me a bag to carry a jumper. They could go to local shop and get some bags of anything to give to customers to carry items. It was so tinpot to tell me a customer they couldn't give me any type of bag, couldn't believe it. If I renew my ticket in the Blackburn end it works out to be £17.40 per game which is not too bad. I don't have kids so cant speak about family pricing but for me personally £17.40 a game is not the worst but its the fact that the prices have gone up, what are we getting for that price increase?! we cant even operate like a club with any professionalism or try and make the match day experience just a little better. Its like a 15 year old has been put in charge of match day experiences. Its not hard to improve it and make some sort of atmosphere. Its just being left to rot, and being run by people that don't look like they have an idea. I am yet to make a decision on renewing. Im from down south so financially I need to work out if Its worth it, but even if it wasnt, if the club showed something, it might just persuade me to go sod it im doing it again. 1 Quote
mhead Posted Thursday at 12:38 Posted Thursday at 12:38 Lots of comments, but Steve Waggott is not the one holding the steering wheel. 1 Quote
SIMON GARNERS 194 Posted Thursday at 14:13 Posted Thursday at 14:13 2 hours ago, davulsukur said: Anyone have the inside track on how the first few days of sales have gone? Not seen the club shouting about anything, so assume it's not been too good. One almighty rush I believe...to not buy. 1 Quote
damo100 Posted Thursday at 15:12 Posted Thursday at 15:12 2 hours ago, mhead said: Lots of comments, but Steve Waggott is not the one holding the steering wheel. But he's handsomely paid to drive the car. Quote
Lancaster Rover Posted Thursday at 15:14 Posted Thursday at 15:14 I feel it's not insignificant that the safe standing section was announced just before ST's went on sale, I think Waggot believes that the attraction of standing for some will outweigh the price increase and they are a section of the fan base to be milked alongside those who will get renew regardless of price/conditions. 2 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted Thursday at 15:15 Posted Thursday at 15:15 Waggots car is on auto pilot, sets the same course every summer then sits in the back with his feet up, destination nowhere, rewards = very handsome indeed. 3 Quote
JHRover Posted Thursday at 15:22 Author Posted Thursday at 15:22 6 minutes ago, Lancaster Rover said: I feel it's not insignificant that the safe standing section was announced just before ST's went on sale, I think Waggot believes that the attraction of standing for some will outweigh the price increase and they are a section of the fan base to be milked alongside those who will get renew regardless of price/conditions. That and he hopes that the £50 price increase will sufficiently cover the cost of installing the safe standing rails to begin with, so essentially the fans are still funding the 'improvement' to Ewood rather than the owners or club. Basically just an underhand alternative to the crowd funding they had the audacity to suggest in a meeting. And lets remember they are only installing 400 of these seats, so about 8% of the lower tier. 1 Quote
Popular Post SuperBrfc Posted Thursday at 15:50 Popular Post Posted Thursday at 15:50 (edited) 6 hours ago, Tomphil2 said: If you were a finance person sat in an office in London or India with zero interest or connection other than its just landed on your desk this is exactly how you'd go about re-setting prices. They've just looked at the dearest seats and said well people who go there can afford more so hike it, next is the most popular area that always sells out first, right make those premiums seats as well. A token gesture to offset this.... well make it cheaper in the riverside so some can move or lump it. We know the main issue is the people at the top don't listen because they don't care, it's probably not even Waggots doing. I suspect this might be close to reality. One of their finance guys, it's either Gupta or Sreenivasa Rao, is based in London. I think that was the reason for the recent trips to London by the clueless duo when looking to hold talks with the prospective new manager. Gupta or Rao, sitting in a London office, with season ticket pricing being put in their laps wouldn't have a clue. No interest, care or knowledge of Rovers, our fanbase, or football in general. Similar to Pasha in that sense. It would just be a cold, out of touch decision, much like how the club has been ran for the last 15 years. At best, the finance guy would be given a heads up about making the Riverside cheaper as WATR, the fans forum and others have been on Waggott's case for years about having entry level season tickets in there. They then use the £50 reduction in the Riverside as the headline to make it look like they care about and have listened, to the fans. 'We've done all we can'. Some will be taken in by this headline and will blame fellow fans for not taking up the Riverside offer. The £50 increase in the more 'popular' stands and the prospect of futher increases after 'phase 1' shows us what the hierarchy is really about though. Don't mind us deliberately ignoring being in the top 6, driving away ambitious managers, not being arsed about keeping our better players, not being arsed about signing better players, not being arsed about promotion...but please do be a "part of the family and part of the story" by buying a season ticket. Piss off. They won't be getting a penny from me. Edited Thursday at 16:04 by SuperBrfc 11 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted Thursday at 17:22 Posted Thursday at 17:22 The people in that corner stand all the time anyway it's a pointless exercise. I had a seat there for a decade and if i had a quid for every time my arse touched the seat i might be able to buy a pint. 1 Quote
... Posted Thursday at 17:28 Posted Thursday at 17:28 4 hours ago, mhead said: Lots of comments, but Steve Waggott is not the one holding the steering wheel. He's definitely in control of the Brakes and Reverse Quote
Gav Posted Friday at 08:42 Posted Friday at 08:42 15 hours ago, ... said: He's definitely in control of the Brakes and Reverse He would be nowhere near this football club if we had decent, competent owners, I think that is the point. Whilst we as fans of the club are disgusted with some of the antics, we have to remember, he's judged by the standards set by the owners, his objectives are set by the owners and he's clearly hitting those year after year, as unpalatable as that may be to fans like us. I'll also add, I'd much rather have Waggott in charge than those arseholes like Agnew and Shaw, locals who filled those pockets on the back of incompetent owners, scumbags, both of them. 2 Quote
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