Penwortham Blue Posted Sunday at 11:24 Posted Sunday at 11:24 6 minutes ago, rigger said: That is why I would like to know which one best suits the phase two action plan. I prefer the full house toxicity as you feel you are doing something. However, on balance, the silent and empty Ewood is likely to be more effective as the quieter mass or more likely to support non attendance rather than confrontation. 1 Quote
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rigger Posted Sunday at 11:31 Posted Sunday at 11:31 5 minutes ago, Penwortham Blue said: I prefer the full house toxicity as you feel you are doing something. However, on balance, the silent and empty Ewood is likely to be more effective as the quieter mass or more likely to support non attendance rather than confrontation. Sorry, I have just edited my earlier post. 1 Quote
SIMON GARNERS 194 Posted Sunday at 11:36 Posted Sunday at 11:36 22 minutes ago, Penwortham Blue said: I know many in 1) & 2) and personally, I have a foot in both camps. However, enough is enough and after 43 years as a ST holder, I am very sadly considering non-renewal for the bigger picture and greater cause. As difficult as it may be Penwortham Blue sometimes you have to sacrifice for the greater cause indeed. Its become a far,far greater a matter of concern than one's own personal enjoyment now.Rest assured you wont be on your own. These b'stards killing our beloved Club need to go. 7 Quote
DeeCee Posted Sunday at 12:27 Posted Sunday at 12:27 It would be easier to target the 10K crowd to stay away than getting an extra 10-15k to go to Ewood to protest. 1 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted Sunday at 13:16 Posted Sunday at 13:16 On the back of the ludicrous decision to raise prices in the BBE and probably the Ismael effect, my mates son, who has been keen as mustard the last few years even during pretty lean times, is considering not renewing. If he doesn't I doubt his Dad will either. If he is thinking of not renewing the Club have got major problems. I don't think the penny has dropped with them how bad it's likely to be yet. 5 Quote
JHRover Posted Sunday at 16:06 Author Posted Sunday at 16:06 (edited) Season tickets are just part of the box ticking balance sheet exercise, nothing more than that. As long as enough money is being brought in to meet the stooges' targets and qualify them for their PRP then all is well. If they fall short they will be worried, not because their jobs will be in threat, because nobody gets sacked based on performance, but because their bonuses will be in danger. Edited Sunday at 16:09 by JHRover 4 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted Sunday at 17:31 Posted Sunday at 17:31 4 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said: On the back of the ludicrous decision to raise prices in the BBE and probably the Ismael effect, my mates son, who has been keen as mustard the last few years even during pretty lean times, is considering not renewing. If he doesn't I doubt his Dad will either. If he is thinking of not renewing the Club have got major problems. I don't think the penny has dropped with them how bad it's likely to be yet. Whoever is making the final decision just doesn't really care they'd rather have 10k averages at higher price points and guarantee a certain income figure that keeps them in a job. Nobody expects them to give season tickets away but the missed trick with the 150 years so called celebrations is abysmal. The fleecing of younger fans and dads bringing kids in certain areas is unforgivable. 1 Quote
Mattyblue Posted Sunday at 17:40 Posted Sunday at 17:40 (edited) The irony of them never getting their finger out and putting them on sale early… the year they finally do the club torpedos itself even more viscously than normal the very week they go on sale. Might as well as have waited till June like usual and gone for the standard playbook of getting Nixon to pretend The Warchest was about to be opened. Edited Sunday at 17:40 by Mattyblue Quote
Tomphil2 Posted Sunday at 17:47 Posted Sunday at 17:47 Maybe they can't offer new contracts until some extra money starts coming in hence the rush. 1 Quote
Popular Post Mattyblue Posted Sunday at 17:53 Popular Post Posted Sunday at 17:53 No problem finding cash for exec pay rises and three and a half year contracts for scrap heap managers though… 10 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted Sunday at 17:55 Posted Sunday at 17:55 2 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said: Maybe they can't offer new contracts until some extra money starts coming in hence the rush. It's not going to be "extra" money though, it's likely to be less overall just that whatever there is will start coming in earlier. In answer to your earlier post I'm fully aware that all they're bothered about is hitting the overall revenue target as opposed to putting extra bums on seats but if that already pathetic £4k adult take up is decimated still further (which I think it will be) I can't see how they can get anywhere near their financia target.l Quote
Upside Down Posted Sunday at 19:03 Posted Sunday at 19:03 7 hours ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said: As difficult as it may be Penwortham Blue sometimes you have to sacrifice for the greater cause indeed. Its become a far,far greater a matter of concern than one's own personal enjoyment now.Rest assured you wont be on your own. These b'stards killing our beloved Club need to go. What enjoyment can be gotten out of it though? As we've seen for four years straight, even when the team is doing well they will deliberately sabotage any and all chances of success. What's the point in going to watch that? 1 1 Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted Sunday at 19:41 Posted Sunday at 19:41 35 minutes ago, Upside Down said: What enjoyment can be gotten out of it though? As we've seen for four years straight, even when the team is doing well they will deliberately sabotage any and all chances of success. What's the point in going to watch that? I think the way they handled the Eustace debacle has pulled the wool from some eyes. He wasn't asking for the world - just some security for himself, his players and a conversation with the owners to find out what the long-term plan was. Instead they performed deliberate sabotage (again), followed by them pissing on the fans with that statement. I won't be going next year and I gather many around me in the stand won't either. 2 Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted Sunday at 19:47 Posted Sunday at 19:47 (edited) 8 hours ago, rigger said: That is why I would like to know which one best suits the phase two action plan. Personally I would big up the Indian tradition of non aggressive protest, by informing all the media that due to the unwanted ones attending the game, we the fans will not be attending, and ask the media to get the clubs comments, on why such a low crowd. It would need to be advertised to the Rovers fans as, the way to fight back. Honestly I don't think an empty ground says much these days. We've regularly seen crowds of 12-13k in a 32k seater stadium and besides some chants / comments (that completely miss the mark) about our poor support, nothing is said. Now maybe the season ticket sales hitting an all-time low might make a change, but they're already pitiful. We clearly don't live and die on season ticket sales - they just raise an eyebrow at Venky HQ. In my opinion the only REAL way to make a change is to get games postponed - which requires fans to repeatedly invade the pitch. The club gets fined if we do that (which will obviously hurt their bottom line) and we'd get a lot of coverage in the media. However, as stated multiple times on here - I for one am not willing to get a banning order and a criminal record to achieve this. Edited Sunday at 19:48 by Exiled_Rover Quote
Tomphil2 Posted Sunday at 19:57 Posted Sunday at 19:57 2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said: It's not going to be "extra" money though, it's likely to be less overall just that whatever there is will start coming in earlier. In answer to your earlier post I'm fully aware that all they're bothered about is hitting the overall revenue target as opposed to putting extra bums on seats but if that already pathetic £4k adult take up is decimated still further (which I think it will be) I can't see how they can get anywhere near their financia target.l It's extra money coming in at this time of year assuming there is a few thousand take up the offer. Quote
rigger Posted Sunday at 19:58 Posted Sunday at 19:58 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said: Honestly I don't think an empty ground says much these days. We've regularly seen crowds of 12-13k in a 32k seater stadium and besides some chants / comments (that completely miss the mark) about our poor support, nothing is said. Now maybe the season ticket sales hitting an all-time low might make a change, but they're already pitiful. We clearly don't live and die on season ticket sales - they just raise an eyebrow at Venky HQ. In my opinion the only REAL way to make a change is to get games postponed - which requires fans to repeatedly invade the pitch. The club gets fined if we do that (which will obviously hurt their bottom line) and we'd get a lot of coverage in the media. However, as stated multiple times on here - I for one am not willing to get a banning order and a criminal record to achieve this. My point was to get the media to ask the club representatives, their take on the poor crowd. Let the club hang themselves. They would surely come out with some utter rubbish, or they would refuse to comment. Either way at least it would be out in the public domain. Edited Sunday at 20:00 by rigger Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted Sunday at 20:01 Posted Sunday at 20:01 1 minute ago, rigger said: My point was to get the media to ask the club representatives, their take on the poor crowd. Let the club hang themselves. Either way they would surely come out with some utter rubbish, or they would refuse to comment. But at least it would be out in the public domain. You'd get a "no comment" and it'd quickly be forgotten. You have to remember where we are in the football / media hierarchy. Garnacho liking tweets that criticise his teammates gets splashed across the back pages. A former Premier League winner in serious crisis gets 5 minutes of coverage IF we conduct a massive PR campaign on a slow news day. Quote
rigger Posted Sunday at 20:08 Posted Sunday at 20:08 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said: You'd get a "no comment" and it'd quickly be forgotten. You have to remember where we are in the football / media hierarchy. Garnacho liking tweets that criticise his teammates gets splashed across the back pages. A former Premier League winner in serious crisis gets 5 minutes of coverage IF we conduct a massive PR campaign on a slow news day. The idea is to add media pressure, let them make the mistakes. Trying to get a match abandoned could end up with us looking foolish, and losing all sympathy. Edited Sunday at 20:09 by rigger Quote
chaddyrovers Posted Sunday at 20:10 Posted Sunday at 20:10 1 hour ago, Upside Down said: What enjoyment can be gotten out of it though? As we've seen for four years straight, even when the team is doing well they will deliberately sabotage any and all chances of success. What's the point in going to watch that? How about backing your club you supports, very easy for you given you are at the other side of the world, so easy for you! 21 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said: However, as stated multiple times on here - I for one am not willing to get a banning order and a criminal record to achieve this. People need a clear criminal record for their jobs and you are putting your job at risk and given the financial problems facing the UK job market coming in the next few years I wouldn't be recommending it to anyone. Quote
Upside Down Posted Sunday at 20:27 Posted Sunday at 20:27 10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: How about backing your club you supports, very easy for you given you are at the other side of the world, so easy for you! Give that shit a rest will you it's fucking boring. You keep saying that same bullshit over and over again despite me repeatedly explaining things to you. We've been through this countless times and as per usual you didn't pay attention to a single that was said by anyone else. It's just fucking ignorant. Do not interact with me unless you are going to pay attention to what I write. 1 Quote
simongarnerisgod Posted Sunday at 20:35 Posted Sunday at 20:35 22 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: How about backing your club you supports, very easy for you given you are at the other side of the world, so easy for you! People need a clear criminal record for their jobs and you are putting your job at risk and given the financial problems facing the UK job market coming in the next few years I wouldn't be recommending it to anyone. half the people i work with are reprobates and the other half are wannabe reprobates😁 3 Quote
rigger Posted Sunday at 20:39 Posted Sunday at 20:39 3 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said: half the people i work with are reprobates and the other half are wannabe reprobates😁 So you are a policeman. 5 Quote
simongarnerisgod Posted Sunday at 20:40 Posted Sunday at 20:40 Just now, rigger said: So you are a policeman. lol,no,but i see your logic Quote
rigger Posted Sunday at 20:42 Posted Sunday at 20:42 1 minute ago, simongarnerisgod said: lol,no,but i see your logic Just trying to add a bit of humour. No offence intended. 1 Quote
roverblue Posted yesterday at 11:16 Posted yesterday at 11:16 I wonder when the propaganda is going to arrive saying they are seeing massive interest and 'record' sales? Quote
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