roverblue Posted Thursday at 12:46 Posted Thursday at 12:46 2 hours ago, JHRover said: We know for sure that over the last few years there has been a significant cut in the amount of money coming out of India to fund the club. Now that might be because the owners simply would rather not send it, it might be that they are unable to send as much as the once did, it might be that the stooges are advising them they don't need to send as much because they can get the club washing its own face and in return get hefty bonuses and perks from the savings they achieve. End result is the same - less cash moving from India to Rovers. They've got away with it the last few years by demolishing the squad and selling off the family silver. Low hanging fruit stuff. You don't need to have a particular set of skills to flog an Adam Wharton or Sammie Szmodics off the back of JDT's outstanding work in nurturing them. You just need to ride on the coat-tails of the coaching staff work, sell them, get a pat on the back from the money men. That little party is coming to an end now, because best case, and it probably relegates us to League One, is they sell off the remaining few assets for a combined few million. However you view buying or not buying a season ticket, or whether you consider it significant in the scheme of things, it all comes back to the same source - Venkys and their ability/willingness to keep funding this. The music is slowing and pretty soon someone is going to be left holding a time-bomb. At best they can stave it off by going to India cap in hand for more money. Maybe the morons in India will simply cough up and keep the party going, maybe they can't/won't any more, and then this wretched monstrous regime comes crashing down for good. Unless someone has evidence otherwise the last time I checked the Venkys haven’t sent a penny to Rovers since late 2023 when the court approved a lump sum. So at the moment it seems they are no longer funding the club because they can’t or no longer want to. 2 Quote
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Tomphil2 Posted Thursday at 13:05 Posted Thursday at 13:05 (edited) 19 minutes ago, roverblue said: Unless someone has evidence otherwise the last time I checked the Venkys haven’t sent a penny to Rovers since late 2023 when the court approved a lump sum. So at the moment it seems they are no longer funding the club because they can’t or no longer want to. The people at this end an in between have created a situation where they've told them we are ok for now we don't need any money. This will reflect in their standing in India and probably in their pay packets, bonuses and job security. Meanwhile another promotion tilt is ruined, another highly regarded head coach has left and at some point in the near future the squad will suffer further weakening. Do they give a #### ? No. Edited Thursday at 13:06 by Tomphil2 9 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted Thursday at 13:18 Posted Thursday at 13:18 (edited) Any good ambitious upwardly managing board of directors would be saying to the supposedly now un compromised and wealthy ownership that now is the perfect time to reinvest in quality for next season and future sales. Would also help ST sales which should be held at current prices throughout summer ! Edited Thursday at 13:19 by Tomphil2 3 Quote
Mattyblue Posted Thursday at 13:25 Posted Thursday at 13:25 We fundamentally have a ‘board’ of a professional football club that has no ambition, no interest in seeing the club thrive on or off the pitch (with everything said thriving leads to). They are purely there to tick it over, to lower costs with a minimum of fuss for owners half way round the world, owners that haven’t visited their business for a decade. Not normal, which is why folk need to possibly reset their expectations re them fecking off in even the medium term. 3 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted Thursday at 13:34 Posted Thursday at 13:34 As someone pointed out on another platform we just have a business box ticking board of directors not a football one or club one and certainly not a Blackburn one. Discounting the non exec faker.... A COO from Venkys and possibly an agency rep. A CEO 2 ownership finance directors probably both India based. It's the most non football, non Blackburn board you could imagine, more akin to one at a minor supermarket chain. 6 Quote
martonrover Posted Thursday at 14:17 Posted Thursday at 14:17 (edited) 9 hours ago, M_B said: It isn't a fact, it's an opinion. What is a fact is that season ticket sales have dropped through the floor, but they haven't shown any sign of leaving. It’s a fact. Season ticket sales have dropped, but not yet to ridiculously low levels. Counting season ticket holders, they can still pump out an over inflated attendance figure of around 15,000, even when the ground is evidently at least two thirds empty. That may well be different next season. It’s the one form of protest with a cat in hell’s chance of working. Turning the tap off. Edited Thursday at 22:02 by martonrover 3 Quote
martonrover Posted Thursday at 14:19 Posted Thursday at 14:19 53 minutes ago, Mattyblue said: We fundamentally have a ‘board’ of a professional football club that has no ambition, no interest in seeing the club thrive on or off the pitch (with everything said thriving leads to). They are purely there to tick it over, to lower costs with a minimum of fuss for owners half way round the world, owners that haven’t visited their business for a decade. Not normal, which is why folk need to possibly reset their expectations re them fecking off in even the medium term. Get behind the managed decline of the club, FFS 6 Quote
Backroom Tom Posted Thursday at 14:26 Backroom Posted Thursday at 14:26 2 hours ago, robbo_rovers said: I'm really torn on what to do for next season. I have a ST with my now 8 year old and this is our 3rd season with season tickets. I really can't find the enthusiasm to renew but I'm starting to get the feeling I will to preserve my 8 year old's love for the club & players. He doesn't understand what's going on off the pitch. If I call it a day now he might lose interest completely and possibly forever. We have a 100 mile round trip so struggle with night games and early Saturday kick-offs (he plays for a team on Saturday mornings). Whilst I tell myself we'd still attend Saturday 3pm kick off games and pay as you go, I know we might quickly get out of the habit of going. If I was you I’d renew personally. My eldest never got the bug despite having a season ticket for years. If he’d have wanted to carry on I would have done. Id go with him and my dad in the family stand, my dad passed a couple of years back and with the eldest not pushing to go it’s just not something I now consider really for myself but we all have our own scenario 3 Quote
M_B Posted Thursday at 14:28 Posted Thursday at 14:28 8 minutes ago, martonrover said: It’s a fact. Season ticket sales have dropped, but not yet to ridiculously low levels. Counting season ticket holders, they can still pump put an over inflated attendance figure of around 15,000, even when the ground is evidently at least two thirds empty. That may well be different next season. It’s the one form of protest with a cat in hell’s chance of working. Turning the tap off. It isn't a fact, actually the evidence so far suggests they've no intention of going anywhere, despite the drop in numbers. 1 Quote
martonrover Posted Thursday at 14:52 Posted Thursday at 14:52 22 minutes ago, M_B said: It isn't a fact, actually the evidence so far suggests they've no intention of going anywhere, despite the drop in numbers. I’ll agree to disagree. If the numbers drop ridiculously low, life will become very uncomfortable, even from thousands of miles away. Quote
Tomphil2 Posted Thursday at 16:01 Posted Thursday at 16:01 What would be call a serious low level that would give them very little excuse to manipulate it ? Would have to be 5k or below imo as anything else will be batted off as cost of living/tv schedules, bad vibes from dissenters, some which no doubt play a part but not to any great level. Personally i still think they'll get to 6.5k which is serious but not enough for the panto villains to be held accountable in a big Barry cattle prod kangeroo court. Quote
Herbie6590 Posted Thursday at 16:07 Posted Thursday at 16:07 1 hour ago, martonrover said: I’ll agree to disagree. If the numbers drop ridiculously low, life will become very uncomfortable, even from thousands of miles away. I suspect season ticket sales/revenue is one of the few metrics that is often discussed & targeted by Pune..? We clearly don’t know what metrics SW & RG have been targeted to achieve but SP’s sole ambition seems to be to fly under the radar…& that means repeated cost-cutting so that he doesn’t have to ask for parental support. 5 Quote
martonrover Posted Thursday at 17:32 Posted Thursday at 17:32 (edited) 1 hour ago, Herbie6590 said: I suspect season ticket sales/revenue is one of the few metrics that is often discussed & targeted by Pune..? We clearly don’t know what metrics SW & RG have been targeted to achieve but SP’s sole ambition seems to be to fly under the radar…& that means repeated cost-cutting so that he doesn’t have to ask for parental support. It’s the one thing Suhail and Waggott can’t gloss over or put a spin on. If sales are very low it will stand out very clearly. Edited Thursday at 17:35 by martonrover 1 Quote
wilsdenrover Posted Thursday at 17:34 Posted Thursday at 17:34 4 hours ago, roverblue said: Unless someone has evidence otherwise the last time I checked the Venkys haven’t sent a penny to Rovers since late 2023 when the court approved a lump sum. So at the moment it seems they are no longer funding the club because they can’t or no longer want to. They were given permission to send £15 million to Venkys London Limited in March ‘24 (for onward transmission to Rovers). Whether they actually did so is another matter entirely… 1 Quote
wilsdenrover Posted Thursday at 17:39 Posted Thursday at 17:39 4 hours ago, Tomphil2 said: As someone pointed out on another platform we just have a business box ticking board of directors not a football one or club one and certainly not a Blackburn one. Discounting the non exec faker.... A COO from Venkys and possibly an agency rep. A CEO 2 ownership finance directors probably both India based. It's the most non football, non Blackburn board you could imagine, more akin to one at a minor supermarket chain. Quote
Mattyblue Posted Thursday at 18:49 Posted Thursday at 18:49 2 hours ago, Tomphil2 said: What would be call a serious low level that would give them very little excuse to manipulate it ? Would have to be 5k or below imo as anything else will be batted off as cost of living/tv schedules, bad vibes from dissenters, some which no doubt play a part but not to any great level. Personally i still think they'll get to 6.5k which is serious but not enough for the panto villains to be held accountable in a big Barry cattle prod kangeroo court. Think you’re right. We sold a mighty 6,995 STs in 2021 (substantially lower than even the Coyle summer)… shrugs all round. Quote
chaddyrovers Posted Thursday at 19:03 Posted Thursday at 19:03 7 hours ago, martonrover said: It has more chance of making a difference than continuing to pay money in. What that is doing is feeding the disease, (the owners). The only way to get rid of the disease is to starve it. Just to clarify once again, I bear no malice to anyone who renews / buys tickets, and in some cases there are very good reasons, (eg attending with kids or elderly parents). I also get the “it’s our club and I’m not going to let Venkys stop me from going” argument, but for me I’d now rather step away and try and remember the club I supported home and away between 1978 - 2010. This is no longer Blackburn Rovers for me, but merely a swarm of parasites moving a corpse. If you buy tickets you are helping to prop up this pale imitation of the club, and potentially killing it with kindness. We lost over 10k STH and PL money yet that didn't forced them to sell the club. Very much doubt anything will now Quote
Salgados Hair Posted Thursday at 19:20 Posted Thursday at 19:20 (edited) 1 hour ago, martonrover said: It’s the one thing Suhail and Waggott can’t gloss over or put a spin on. If sales are very low it will stand out very clearly. "Attendances have remained steady..." 🙂 Edited Thursday at 19:21 by Salgados Hair punctuation 2 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted Thursday at 19:20 Posted Thursday at 19:20 1 hour ago, wilsdenrover said: We are still in the dark as to what they actually do and who pays them. Other than ticking a couple of boxes to follow UK company law that is and removing the need for any actual real hands on directors, 2 Quote
Athlete Posted Thursday at 19:35 Posted Thursday at 19:35 1 hour ago, wilsdenrover said: The Indians are taking the p@@@ 1 Quote
martonrover Posted Thursday at 20:44 Posted Thursday at 20:44 1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said: We lost over 10k STH and PL money yet that didn't forced them to sell the club. Very much doubt anything will now There will be a tipping point, I’m sure of it. The attendances have fallen, but have still been respectable for the Championship. It would undoubtedly put pressure on if they fall off a cliff edge. Quote
chaddyrovers Posted Thursday at 20:56 Posted Thursday at 20:56 9 minutes ago, martonrover said: There will be a tipping point, I’m sure of it. The attendances have fallen, but have still been respectable for the Championship. It would undoubtedly put pressure on if they fall off a cliff edge. Tipping point was losing 10k STH and PL money or dropping to league 1. Nothing changed. Losing a couple of thousand STH aren't going to tipping point or put any pressure on anyone. Quote
Mattyblue Posted Thursday at 20:58 Posted Thursday at 20:58 (edited) We are at the heady heights of c9,000 ST holders currently - yet we only sold 6,995 in 2021, they didn’t bat an eye lid. Say it’s 3,995 next season, I don’t particularly foresee the owners buckling under any pressure… of course they should then be buckling, klaxons should be sounding an inch from their faces… but these are not normal owners. Edited Thursday at 21:02 by Mattyblue Quote
Forever Blue Posted Thursday at 21:05 Posted Thursday at 21:05 2 minutes ago, Mattyblue said: We are at the heady heights of c9,000 ST holders currently - yet we only sold 6,995 in 2021, they didn’t bat an eye lid. Say it’s 3,995 next season, I don’t particularly foresee the owners buckling under any pressure. They were prepared to cover losses in 2021. There’s no evidence they are anymore. The Wharton/Raya/Szmodics money won’t last forever. Quote
Mattyblue Posted Thursday at 21:09 Posted Thursday at 21:09 Hope you’re right, but this mob putting the club up for sale as a result of poor ST sales? Seems a stretch to me. 1 Quote
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