Rudy Gestede - Big Chill podcast Interview

[islander200]

8 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Nobody has ever said it's Gestede dictating that policy so cut your 'common sense' arrogance.

We are going around in circles when the main point trying to be made is why they are allowing him to run around having constant barbed digs at the fanbase, or in fact the businesses main customers.

It's either by design or hes gone rogue but your point about they won't be happy about it doesn't make any sense, common ounces or otherwise, because he'd have been gagged or told tone it down immediately.

Unless of course in his own arrogance he doesn't care because he just wants to protect his paymasters. But i'll say again in any event someone feels a head needs to serving it will be his and hes been allowed the rope.

Pipe down you I will view my opinion if you don't like it then put me on ignore and stop replying to me.

For them to lay the blame at Gestedes door and fool the fanbase in to believing he is the problem it would not only take them sacking him but then investing proper money into recruitment which isn't going to happen.

[Tomphil2]

9 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Pipe down you I will view my opinion if you don't like it then put me on ignore and stop replying to me.

For them to lay the blame at Gestedes door and fool the fanbase in to believing he is the problem it would not only take them sacking him but then investing proper money into recruitment which isn't going to happen.

Grow up it was you who started the replies to me you're welcome to your opinion i don't need to ignore anyone but untwist your underwear when people don't agree and say so.

We don't know what will happen in summer perhaps hes been told there'll be investment hence his cocksure attitude then he can turn around a give us the middle finger 'i told you so'.

Time will tell if he's just another patsy swallowing the line hes fed from upstairs or they'll actually let him invest.

Either way the 2 stooges have sat back and let him become a new target due to his lack of diplomatic skills and they could have stopped that at any moment.

[Eddie]

36 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

I've been saying for years that they don't want promotion and are actively sabotaging any chances of achieving it. Was always met with the usual naysayers pontificating how ridiculous it is that they would turn down all that prem money, completely ignoring the last 15 years and the fact they deliberately relegated the club from the premier league as soon as they could.

It is why we wanted to get him to clearly state that the ambition was for promotion - which he did. However, he refused to give any sort of timeline or indication that this season now sets the standard. That felt more like job protection than anything else. 

[islander200]

10 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Grow up it was you who started the replies to me you're welcome to your opinion i don't need to ignore anyone but untwist your underwear when people don't agree and say so.

We don't know what will happen in summer perhaps hes been told there'll be investment hence his cocksure attitude then he can turn around a give us the middle finger 'i told you so'.

Time will tell if he's just another patsy swallowing the line hes fed from upstairs or they'll actually let him invest.

Either way the 2 stooges have sat back and let him become a new target due to his lack of diplomatic skills and they could have stopped that at any moment.

He said In the interviews the budget will be roughly same.

He outlined the ClUBS plan.Develop and sell with it not making a difference to the playing budget.

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

If you look at Benefactor models elsewhere, almost without  exception they start off like a house on fire with the financial support then after a while the enthusiasm for losing millions upon millions starts to dwindle before funding eventually dries to a trickle or stops altogether and it is deemed the aim is for the Club to be self sufficient.

To go back to Mowbray this is why he was exactly the wrong person for us after we got back to the Championship because it was always likely to be a race against time to get promoted before the funding was reduced or ran out at some point and Uncle Tony plodding along on "a journey" for years content to merely feather his own nest was the direct opposite of what we needed.

Bringing it back up to date, this reinforces the point Eddie was trying to impress upon Gestede about the need for increased investment at strategic points. Unfortunately we're getting the same sort of language now from RG that we did during the Mowbray days about not wanting to move too fast and needing to put the foundations in place first etc etc. We've already been on that lark for most of the last eight years or so with nothing to show for it.

In reality, you can't guarantee anything in football, therefore if an opportunity presents itself you have to try and grab it with both hands. You can't pass it up in favour of a vague promise of jam in maybe 5 years time, maybe not.

Hopefully most people won't be fooled by this sort of waffle this time round. It does seem that the LT comments brigade are quickly back full square behind the agenda following a few decent results in dead rubbers, although of course the veracity of those accounts must be very much in question.

It was definitely all Mowbray's fault.

When the owners have to raise some share capital to offset the 2025 loss, will you consider them to have regained their enthusiasm? 

As for some reason, you see that standard and unavoidable step as them pumping money in and mistake it for enthusiasm.

[Eddie]

...and I will greedily asked. 

If you enjoyed the podcast, leaving a review on Spotify does help us. We barely get any (which I get, I don't review podcasts I listen to), but if we could up that it just increases the reach. 

[Tomphil2]

10 minutes ago, islander200 said:

He said In the interviews the budget will be roughly same.

He outlined the ClUBS plan.Develop and sell with it not making a difference to the playing budget.

He said the owners a putting money in now when asked are they putting money in now

He said STs are the same as pre covid when asked have they put season tickets up.

He said 'what is down' when it was pointed out to him the slide since Venkys took over.

Need i go on ?

As iv'e said repeatedly we all already know the clubs plans re development and sell the rather obvious examples in the last 2 years that have ruined a real promotion chance pre dated Gestedes sideshow.

Waggot told us all this in the bus interview a couple of summers ago.

Edited 21 hours ago by Tomphil2

[Gav]

Great effort @Eddie and team, thanks for trying to make a difference. 

I'm not going to listen because its the chief propagandist out trying to sell season tickets and take the heat for his paymasters. Gestede doesn’t understand the history, doesn’t understand the feeling in the town/fanbase and insults us with his bullshit everytime he speaks.

VENKYS OUT - NOTHING ELSE MATTERS

[RevidgeBlue]

21 minutes ago, Eddie said:

It is why we wanted to get him to clearly state that the ambition was for promotion - which he did. However, he refused to give any sort of timeline or indication that this season now sets the standard. That felt more like job protection than anything else. 

He only did that very grudgingly when you specifically pressed him on whether the aim is promotion. He couldn't say anything else really - not even he is thick enough to say outright they're not interested in promotion but effectively he's already admitted that by conceding the main aim this season was not to make the play offs but to build for next season etc etc.

[Eddie]

3 minutes ago, Gav said:

Great effort @Eddie and team, thanks for trying to make a difference. 

I'm not going to listen because its the chief propagandist out trying to sell season tickets and take the heat for his paymasters. Gestede doesn’t understand the history, doesn’t understand the feeling in the town/fanbase and insults us with his bullshit everytime he speaks.

VENKYS OUT - NOTHING ELSE MATTERS

I understand the sentiment, but I do I think it's important to listen to what they say. It's the only way we can truly hold them accountable and there's a surprising amount of honest or transparency within the interview...whether that was intended or not.

[Eddie]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

He only did that very grudgingly when you specifically pressed him on whether the aim is promotion. He couldn't say anything else really - not even he is thick enough to say outright they're not interested in promotion but effectively he's already admitted that by conceding the main aim this season was not to make the play offs but to build for next season etc etc.

Fair. 

[RevidgeBlue]

15 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

It was definitely all Mowbray's fault.

When the owners have to raise some share capital to offset the 2025 loss, will you consider them to have regained their enthusiasm? 

As for some reason, you see that standard and unavoidable step as them pumping money in and mistake it for enthusiasm.

Until it happens we don-t know for sure if they will pump in any more money to cover trading losses. The family silver has been flogged off and There's only a few trinkets left, there's no one left of any particular value to sell to cover them.

In terms of the owners having an interest Im talking a number of years ago now. By Mowbray's own admission he said he had to rein the owners in after promotion. What sort of manager does that?

I know you won't hear a bad word said against Mowbray/Gallagher etc so if you're going to pretend he never said it then There's no point discussing it further.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

10 hours ago, lraC said:

Plenty of rope given to him here, so well done.

We seem to be nothing but a laughing stock and the latest podcast, hammers that home loud and clear.

Inspector Clouseau is our CEO in waiting, ready willing and able to replace the current incumbent, Basil fawlty. With the head of stadium maintenance one Rupert Rigsby, it’s turning into a right carry on.

It ain’t half hot mum at the club right now, so what could go wrong.

  Nurse please help!!!!

A Professional Football Club telling all and Sundry its in house Business across social Media.... rank Amateurs at best,totally embarrassing.

Never known anything like it.🤡

 

Edited 21 hours ago by SIMON GARNERS 194

[RevidgeBlue]

10 minutes ago, Eddie said:

I understand the sentiment, but I do I think it's important to listen to what they say. It's the only way we can truly hold them accountable and there's a surprising amount of honest or transparency within the interview...whether that was intended or not.

Agreed.

It was a tremendously revealing interview. In normal circumstances I would describe it as a PR disaster but I'm not sure if you can classify it that way as I doubt if any of the 3 stooges could care less. 

They might care if it adversely affects ST revenue and they get bollocked from above as a result though.

[Tomphil2]

Gestede is naive and ill informed of the true facts his interviews smack of a desperation to look good in the owners eyes not the fans.

I still see them at some point sticking in 5/6 mill or so to underwrite the losses when needed in fact they've little choice but to do so. If that's in 6 months they've still saved tens of millions in recent times due to player sales so they'll be reasonably happy about that and not having to match a 20 million injection with a matching bond or pay 20% tax on it.

How it goes in future when there are no Whartons to sell is anybody's guess.

[den]

Sounds like the owners have decided they are only going to give a minimal transfer budget to the manager no matter what incoming transfer fees are. 
 

There just isn’t chance of progression under that kind of strict regimen. Exactly the opposite. No manager of any standing will stay under those circumstances. 
 

The outlook is so grim. How can the club move forward or progress under these owners? Where is the ambition? I don’t remember the last time I heard anyone at Ewood say anything positive about the future. 

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, den said:

Sounds like the owners have decided they are only going to give a minimal transfer budget to the manager no matter what incoming transfer fees are. 
 

There just isn’t chance of progression under that kind of strict regimen. Exactly the opposite. No manager of any standing will stay under those circumstances. 
 

The outlook is so grim. How can the club move forward or progress under these owners? Where is the ambition? I don’t remember the last time I heard anyone at Ewood say anything positive about the future. 

Spot on den.

[RoverDom]

What an advert for future mangers.

"Come manage blackburn rovers, you've got to fill the team with youngsters - but not the good ones because anyone half decent will be sold"

"That sounds exciting, I like the idea of developing a young squad, adding value, selling them on and reinvesting to make the squad even stronger"

" we never said reinvesting....entitled prick" 

[Tomphil2]

But you'll be paid 600k a year and never be sacked no matter what.......

[RoverDom]

Yeah should have specified - quality managers with ambitions

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Until it happens we don-t know for sure if they will pump in any more money to cover trading losses. The family silver has been flogged off and There's only a few trinkets left, there's no one left of any particular value to sell to cover them.

In terms of the owners having an interest Im talking a number of years ago now. By Mowbray's own admission he said he had to rein the owners in after promotion. What sort of manager does that?

I know you won't hear a bad word said against Mowbray/Gallagher etc so if you're going to pretend he never said it then There's no point discussing it further.

Its not about Mowbray, a decent Championship manager who did a good if unremarkable job, or Gallagher who for some reason youve mentioned who was an average Championship striker here.

My issue is even now, there is a constant deflection away from the owners. You are going back years and years having manipulated it as if he turned down millions and millions further to spend, and as if a club full of aging players being promoted from League 1 was the opportunity of a lifetime.

They will have to put money in. If they dont, because the club like basically all clubs at this level doesnt have income that matches expenses, then we wont be able to pay liabilities and thats when administration is on the horizon. If they do, would that be seen as them getting their "enthusiasm" back in your eyes? There has only been one season where that was avoided and that was due to the one off sale of Wharton.

For some reason, you keep talking about them "pumping in money" as if they have done it for any other reason than because they have had to. It hasnt been as a result of ambition or spending loads on players.

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

For some reason, you keep talking about them "pumping in money" as if they have done it for any other reason than because they have had to. It hasnt been as a result of ambition or spending loads on players.

That patently hasn't always been the case, they didn't "have" to spend £12m on Gallagher and Brereton.

Irrelevant to the discussion today though.

[RoverDom]

Trouble is they trot out the newbie to give the "we need to lay foundations and build slowly so as not to risk the clubs future" line - then when pushed they can say "I'm new, the previous seasons are nothing to do with me"

Someone needs to ask Waggot why he's been here 7 years and we're still laying foundations. Then ask him if he considers any of the previous foundation laying to be a failure on his watch. Same question needs asked of the venkys and suhail as well ultimately. 

 

[roversfan99]

6 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

That patently hasn't always been the case, they didn't "have" to spend £12m on Gallagher and Brereton.

Irrelevant to the discussion today though.

The fact that you have to go back 6 and 7 years tells you everything.