Rudy Gestede - Big Chill podcast Interview

[Tomphil2]

1 hour ago, J*B said:

I truly cannot believe the board are letting him keep speak to people. He’s a total liability with a microphone in front of him. 

That could be part of the plan.

[Tomphil2]

30 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Gestede why the fuck can Massive revenue club Millwall sell a young asset to a Premier league club and reinvest a healthy portion back into their team 

Fair play Eddie for keeping your temper 

There are examples all over the Championship but here they suddenly think they've stumbled on a radical plan that will miraculously work despite never working anywhere for more than a season or two at most.

It's a sure fire path to disaster without extra significant financial backing.

[scotchrover]

11 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Thanks a lot. 

I think there are some pretty obvious gaps in the logic and the finance and transfer budget side of things is one of the bigger ones. 

If the transfer fees are being used for operational costs and are need to cover those costs...that's OK? Not good. Not ideal. But, we can at least know where we stand.

But they aren't need for that? But they're used for that? I don't see the benefit of pushing that explanation. 

We have some clarity too now- it doesn’t take 1+1=2. 
 

Your next challenge,  which I think you’re more than capable of after tonight’s meeting, is try and get an interview with the Rao family. You come across as a well informed, intelligent pair. If you can do that, you’ll have succeeded where the British media has failed for the last decade. 

[Tom]

Well done Eddie, keep letting them make fools of themselves 

I think Rudy will be out soon, defo was primed for the hot seat but talking his way into being a fall guy 

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, scotchrover said:

Your next challenge,  which I think you’re more than capable of after tonight’s meeting, is try and get an interview with the Rao family. You come across as a well informed, intelligent pair. If you can do that, you’ll have succeeded where the British media has failed for the last decade. 

I think that's an immense challenge. 

[SuperBrfc]

"I think our fans...they still have in their mind the Premier League title, which is great, it's 30 years ago when Mr Walker was spending a lot of money at the club to transfer, to bring players in. Premier League money, which is completely different. Now, we are in the Championship for over 10 years now, so you have to understand that you cannot just spend the money how you used to do and, erm, we have to be creative in the way we recruit players". (Gestede)

I'm going to say this politely. I think you are being played, Rudy. Do yourself a favour and walk away. You do not have knowledge of the past 15 years at this football club, that's despite you playing for us. You have shown that you do not understand why many of us strongly dislike this hierarchy.

IMO, you have been fed total rubbish and are making yourself look ridiculous in these interviews. There's still time for you to walk away, just like those before you did. NOBODY is asking any of you to do what Uncle Jack did. NOBODY is expecting fees of £10m, £15m, £20m to be spent on players. This is a false narrative.

He mentions early on in the interview that the owners watch our games, they ask about players, the team and so on. How would Rudy know any of this? He said himself in the Big Sam interview, that he has never spoken with them directly. He is therefore, merely repeating what he has been told about the owners.

In the three stooges interview, it was Pasha who said, with a chuckle, "I know people don't believe it, but the owners watch every game, they follow every game back in India".

Waggott has said in the past, "I can't risk the future of the club by overspending". In this interview, Rudy says "we can't overspend and go for promotion as we would risk the future of the club".

From now on, I won't be reacting to anything that Gestede says. It's obvious he hasn't a clue. I have said it before and some might not agree, which is fair enough. I don't think Rudy is a bad guy, but he is showing extreme naivety in this role.

He has landed a great opportunity here, he's trying to learn the role, he's trying to communicate as he sees best, but it is coming across terribly. It gets worse with each interview because a) he is inexperienced and b) he is metaphorically reading from an oft repeated script.

A script which makes certain people seem like poor, innocent lambs, who are being bullied by spoilt, entitled fans. Ratings are low and the script writers are worried, so the new angle it seems is to have viewers genuinely believe that we want a repeat of 1995 and nothing less. Unbelievable.

Good work Eddie and the team on conducting this interview. You guys did well to keep it cool and professional.

Edited 20 hours ago by SuperBrfc

[Aqualung]

Well done Eddie. Thanks for the time you invested in this. Bravo! 

[RevidgeBlue]

What came clear from this interview is that any further attempts to interview RG would be a complete waste of time as he spouts absolute nonsense and attempts to answer difficult questions with points that bear no real relation to the question being asked.

You really nailed him with the point that it would be sensible to increase investment at strategic points, e.g. when you're sat 5th in the table in January. That point is incontrovertible really but all he could say in response was come out with some lame excuse about how he knew what his annual budget was and that it would remain unchanged no matter what position we found ourselves in.

Sums up the hopelessness of our current situation but good work by you guys nonetheless.

[Eddie]

20 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

What came clear from this interview is that any further attempts to interview RG would be a complete waste of time as he spouts absolute nonsense and attempts to answer difficult questions with points that bear no real relation to the question being asked.

You really nailed him with the point that it would be sensible to increase investment at strategic points, e.g. when you're sat 5th in the table in January. That point is incontrovertible really but all he could say in response was come out with some lame excuse about how he knew what his annual budget was and that it would remain unchanged no matter what position we found ourselves in.

Sums up the hopelessness of our current situation but good work by you guys nonetheless.

Don't disagree. There's not a lot more that could be extracted, although I would have liked to push a bit more on the perception of the supporters and the resentment that appears to be there. 

As for the spending and budgets. I simply can't wrap my head around it. 

[lraC]

Plenty of rope given to him here, so well done.

We seem to be nothing but a laughing stock and the latest podcast, hammers that home loud and clear.

Inspector Clouseau is our CEO in waiting, ready willing and able to replace the current incumbent, Basil fawlty. With the head of stadium maintenance one Rupert Rigsby, it’s turning into a right carry on.

It ain’t half hot mum at the club right now, so what could go wrong.

  Nurse please help!!!!

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49 minutes ago, lraC said:

Plenty of rope given to him here, so well done.

We seem to be nothing but a laughing stock and the latest podcast, hammers that home loud and clear.

Inspector Clouseau is our CEO in waiting, ready willing and able to replace the current incumbent, Basil fawlty. With the head of stadium maintenance one Rupert Rigsby, it’s turning into a right carry on.

It ain’t half hot mum at the club right now, so what could go wrong.

  Nurse please help!!!!

Said before I'd do love to do the maintenance down there myself. 

[ageoftherover]

It seems pretty simple. The owners have said they're not putting money in, whether because they can't or don't want to. They don't particularly care that people like RG have to sell that turd to us. He does his best to polish it, but ultimately he's not very bright so he butchers the PR.

The only action that is illogical here is that of the owners. Even then, you'd probably be better off characterising it as heartless rather than lacking logic. The rest are just fairly banal pawns of middling intelligence reading lines handed to them from elsewhere for a paycheck.

Good job from various people on here giving them rope to hang themselves though. 

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, ageoftherover said:

It seems pretty simple. The owners have said they're not putting money in, whether because they can't or don't want to. They don't particularly care that people like RG have to sell that turd to us. He does his best to polish it, but ultimately he's not very bright so he butchers the PR.

The only action that is illogical here is that of the owners. Even then, you'd probably be better off characterising it as heartless rather than lacking logic. The rest are just fairly banal pawns of middling intelligence reading lines handed to them from elsewhere for a paycheck.

Good job from various people on here giving them rope to hang themselves though. 

If you look at Benefactor models elsewhere, almost without  exception they start off like a house on fire with the financial support then after a while the enthusiasm for losing millions upon millions starts to dwindle before funding eventually dries to a trickle or stops altogether and it is deemed the aim is for the Club to be self sufficient.

To go back to Mowbray this is why he was exactly the wrong person for us after we got back to the Championship because it was always likely to be a race against time to get promoted before the funding was reduced or ran out at some point and Uncle Tony plodding along on "a journey" for years content to merely feather his own nest was the direct opposite of what we needed.

Bringing it back up to date, this reinforces the point Eddie was trying to impress upon Gestede about the need for increased investment at strategic points. Unfortunately we're getting the same sort of language now from RG that we did during the Mowbray days about not wanting to move too fast and needing to put the foundations in place first etc etc. We've already been on that lark for most of the last eight years or so with nothing to show for it.

In reality, you can't guarantee anything in football, therefore if an opportunity presents itself you have to try and grab it with both hands. You can't pass it up in favour of a vague promise of jam in maybe 5 years time, maybe not.

Hopefully most people won't be fooled by this sort of waffle this time round. It does seem that the LT comments brigade are quickly back full square behind the agenda following a few decent results in dead rubbers, although of course the veracity of those accounts must be very much in question.

[Tomphil2]

I think and board of directors, club execs or even their PR people would watch one interview in this scenario and then say pull him quick, no more.

Then politely say Rudy Gestede is now concentrating on contracts and the summer recruitment so he won't be available to speak for a while so any communication will come from the CEO and COO.

Not these lot though it seems they are sitting back watching car crash after car crash.

2 scenarios for me.... he's taking the heat right off them useful idiot style or perhaps worse because he's an arrogant clever dick he's saying out loud what they say behind closed doors but are too scared to say in public.

In which case he'll probably get a pay rise.

 

[islander200]

He isn't taking the heat off the other 2 or the owners by saying what he has done

It isn't Gestede who has decided that our purpose is to develop our academy players and sell them with no reinvestment back into the playing squad. 

I just don't know what world Gestede Is living in that he believes the fan base should be getting behind such a nonsense model and we should just be grateful that we have a team to put out on a Saturday afternoon or midweek evening 

He said it in black n White,promotion is a pipe dream that will rely on a lot of luck and the clubs model is to develop players to sell at a profit to reduce what the ownership have to put in year on year just to keep the lights on

Edited 12 hours ago by islander200

[Tomphil2]

Of course he's taking the heat off the other two he's now been shunted into the spotlight when they had nowhere else to hide.

He's becoming the target for the questions and shielding them from the anger just the same as fans were beginning to turn on the new coach and even some players after starting off hurling abuse towards the directors box and India.

[islander200]

He hasn't taken the heat off the other 2 

He has just publicly stated what the clubs model is.Gestede does not run the club, it isn't Gestedes model or policy  it is the clubs policy.

If anything it puts more pressure on the other 2 as Gestede has told everyone the clubs plan and ambition develop young players and sell them with it having no impact on the recruitment budget. 

That is the clubs plan/vision which Gestede is part of but he isn't the one who is dictating that model, he said it himself in the interview, he knew his budget and he knew the budget wouldn't get bigger no matter where we were in the table or how many millions we brought in through player sales 

[Tomphil2]

We know the model now we've known it for 2 years hes told nothing everyone didn't already know.

We know ultimately who is to blame why do you think the recent protests surfaced directed towards the two and the owners. It wasn't directed towards the HoF but now he's been placed or positioned himself there in front of house and has stopped the other two being rooted out briefly because he's doing the interview rounds, answering the questions and speaking on behalf of the whole club.

I'm sure the gruesome twosome are quite happy about that.

[islander200]

I don't think they will be happy with what he said in those interviews. 

Like I said it's club decision to operate this way not a Rudy Gestede decision. Anyone with an ounce of common sense will realise ousting just Gestede from the club won't suddenly transform us into a club with a real ambition to progress or lead to a better playing budget.

[47er]

28 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Of course he's taking the heat off the other two

and will get his reward....

[Tomphil2]

Anyone with an ounce of nous would happily serve someone else up to protect their own position.

I'm not sure what point is being missed here but for the benefit of doubt we've had Paul Agnew, Paul Senior, Gregg Broughton and now Gestede in similar fancy named positions yet the henchmen survives and he has a willing partner these days in Waggot.

If a head rolls it won't be theirs it'll be the latest installed crash test dummy.

[islander200]

1 minute ago, Tomphil2 said:

Anyone with an ounce of nous would happily serve someone else up to protect their own position.

I'm not sure what point is being missed here but for the benefit of doubt we've had Paul Agnew, Paul Senior, Gregg Broughton and now Gestede in similar fancy named positions yet the henchmen survives and he has a willing partner these days in Waggot.

If a head rolls it won't be theirs it'll be the latest installed crash test dummy.

None of those people you mentioned came out and said the CLUBS policy was to develop players and sell them with it having no impact on the playing budget.

Gestede said in the interview when he took the job he was aware that no matter where we were in the table,  no matter how many players sold for how many millions the budget for recruitment wouldn't be increased.

Anyone with common sense will realise that Gestede is not dictating that policy

[DE.]

Well done Eddie, appreciate you can't necessarily take an aggressive or outright confrontational tone as that will burn bridges and make it much more difficult to get guests in in future. 

Ultimately Gestede's answers speak for themselves. He's parroting the club's stance, but in a way that lacks any intelligence or nous. He's actually damningly honest about the lack of ambition and the contempt for the fanbase that exists in the Ewood hierarchy. He's making it as clear as can be that the plan is to try and survive in the division by purely relying on cheap recruitment and academy graduates. Anybody with any sense knows where that will eventually lead us. 

[Upside Down]

49 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

We know the model now we've known it for 2 years hes told nothing everyone didn't already know.

We know ultimately who is to blame why do you think the recent protests surfaced directed towards the two and the owners. It wasn't directed towards the HoF but now he's been placed or positioned himself there in front of house and has stopped the other two being rooted out briefly because he's doing the interview rounds, answering the questions and speaking on behalf of the whole club.

I'm sure the gruesome twosome are quite happy about that.

It's not been obvious to many.

I've been saying for years that they don't want promotion and are actively sabotaging any chances of achieving it. Was always met with the usual naysayers pontificating how ridiculous it is that they would turn down all that prem money, completely ignoring the last 15 years and the fact they deliberately relegated the club from the premier league as soon as they could.

Now the club themselves have confirmed what I was saying all along. Makes me wonder what else I've been right about all these years...

[Tomphil2]

26 minutes ago, islander200 said:

None of those people you mentioned came out and said the CLUBS policy was to develop players and sell them with it having no impact on the playing budget.

Gestede said in the interview when he took the job he was aware that no matter where we were in the table,  no matter how many players sold for how many millions the budget for recruitment wouldn't be increased.

Anyone with common sense will realise that Gestede is not dictating that policy

Nobody has ever said it's Gestede dictating that policy so cut your 'common sense' arrogance.

We are going around in circles when the main point trying to be made is why they are allowing him to run around having constant barbed digs at the fanbase, or in fact the businesses main customers.

It's either by design or hes gone rogue but your point about they won't be happy about it doesn't make any sense, common ounces or otherwise, because he'd have been gagged or told tone it down immediately.

Unless of course in his own arrogance he doesn't care because he just wants to protect his paymasters. But i'll say again in any event someone feels a head needs to serving it will be his and hes been allowed the rope.