Rudy Gestede - Big Chill podcast Interview

[chaddyrovers]

26 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

So Gestede and others get involved in team selection? 

Chuck in him telling us what style we should be playing and how many minutes graduates should be playing. Please can anyone tell me how this is a logical thing to do?

What a mess and a ridiculous 'football club' we support these days.

who says he get involved in team selection? 

Its quite normal that the Director of football will employ a head coach who will play a specific style and bring through young players. Its the exact same thing GB did when he employed JDT. Did you have issue then? Ismael has been very clever he wants to play front foot football here from next season. 

Look at Leicester who want to employ Russell Martin as their next head coach cos his style suits the squad there. 

why you employ a head coach if wants the football club wants to do? 

Do you accept that Rovers wants to develop our own players from the academy and do you have a problem with this? 

[roversfan99]

23 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

who says he get involved in team selection? 

Its quite normal that the Director of football will employ a head coach who will play a specific style and bring through young players. Its the exact same thing GB did when he employed JDT. Did you have issue then? Ismael has been very clever he wants to play front foot football here from next season. 

Look at Leicester who want to employ Russell Martin as their next head coach cos his style suits the squad there. 

why you employ a head coach if wants the football club wants to do? 

Do you accept that Rovers wants to develop our own players from the academy and do you have a problem with this? 

He said in the podcast that its a team effort to decide on certain selection issues and gave an example of Brittain coming off after an hour at Sunderland.

That shouldnt come down to anyone but the manager/head coach. The information should be given to him, ie the sports scientists etc could say he only has an hour in him or you risk injury. But it should be solely down to Ismael to decide from there. 

You swallow all of the facets of "modern football" and never question any of it. You dont have the capability to question it, or choose not to.

"Do I have a problem" with using academy graduates? Obviously not, thats such a warped question where you clearly have missed my point. There shouldnt be targets of minutes that graduates need to play. It should again be totally down to Ismael who he chooses. If the players are deemed to be ready to play, its in his best interests to play them. This rigid target means that he could feel obliged to play them regardless to hit that target at the cost of results IF they arent ready/arent good enough and sometimes, the academy will hit dry spells.

Problem is, we arent a normal club, and beyond that in football in general, there are many ways that football is supposedly involving in a way that is illogical/nonsensical. Not every change is good.

You mention the Tomasson situation. As time went on, there was never any thought to change the style even when results massively dipped as the budget was cut. That is actually a great example of having such a setup can be counterproductive.

Higher ups shouldnt be telling the head coach "how they want to play." You have never told me how having people above the head coach telling him how to play is a symptom of modern day football that is a positive, that is to the betterment of teams. You just say thats how it is or reference other teams that do it. I think its a bad change to football. You see so many teams in the football league trying to play a form of this deluded idea of "how football should be played" to appease higher ups when they clearly arent capable of doing it. 

[Mattyblue]

Russell Martin still in line for gigs and budgets at a decent level?

Pep-Ball some way to run yet then, *sigh*

[Eddie]

4 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

He said in the podcast that its a team effort to decide on certain selection issues and gave an example of Brittain coming off after an hour at Sunderland.

That shouldnt come down to anyone but the manager/head coach. The information should be given to him, ie the sports scientists etc could say he only has an hour in him or you risk injury. But it should be solely down to Ismael to decide from there. 

I think that was meant more in the sense of the data analysts providing the manager/coaching staff with information that could be used. I don't think he meant that he was getting involved with team selection. 

[chaddyrovers]

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

He said in the podcast that its a team effort to decide on certain selection issues and gave an example of Brittain coming off after an hour at Sunderland.

That shouldnt come down to anyone but the manager/head coach. The information should be given to him, ie the sports scientists etc could say he only has an hour in him or you risk injury. But it should be solely down to Ismael to decide from there. 

Have you not actually misunderstood here? 

Did Gestede say he was involved in that decision or was he actually referring to Ismael making that call with the help of our Andrew Proctor and data analysis? 

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

You swallow all of the facets of "modern football" and never question any of it. You dont have the capability to question it, or choose not to.

"Do I have a problem" with using academy graduates? Obviously not, thats such a warped question where you clearly have missed my point. There shouldnt be targets of minutes that graduates need to play. It should again be totally down to Ismael who he chooses. If the players are deemed to be ready to play, its in his best interests to play them. This rigid target means that he could feel obliged to play them regardless to hit that target at the cost of results IF they arent ready/arent good enough and sometimes, the academy will hit dry spells.

Did Gestede actually set a target or did he actually mentioned the amount of minutes our young players played under JDT compare to Eustace, and the club wants to go back to actually develop and bring through our young players? 

Has Ismael felt obliged to play younger players or has he given Kris Montgomery his chance cos he felt he was ready to play? 

 

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Problem is, we arent a normal club, and beyond that in football in general, there are many ways that football is supposedly involving in a way that is illogical/nonsensical. Not every change is good.

Care to actually expand on what you mean and I might be able to answer? 

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

You mention the Tomasson situation. As time went on, there was never any thought to change the style even when results massively dipped as the budget was cut. That is actually a great example of having such a setup can be counterproductive.

Is not on Tomasson unwilling to change his style just like Mowbray didn't change from his false 9 formation when it stop working and results went downhill

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Higher ups shouldnt be telling the head coach "how they want to play." You have never told me how having people above the head coach telling him how to play is a symptom of modern day football that is a positive, that is to the betterment of teams. You just say thats how it is or reference other teams that do it. I think its a bad change to football. You see so many teams in the football league trying to play a form of this deluded idea of "how football should be played" to appease higher ups when they clearly arent capable of doing it. 

The people higher than the head coach are selecting who their head coach is based on different factors whether its style of play or people who will develop young players or fit the group of players they have at their club. 

Why do I have to tell you that its positive when its yourself who seems to massive problems with the things above not myself, so maybe you need to answer your own questions why you do? 

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Have you not actually misunderstood here? 

Did Gestede say he was involved in that decision or was he actually referring to Ismael making that call with the help of our Andrew Proctor and data analysis? 

Did Gestede actually set a target or did he actually mentioned the amount of minutes our young players played under JDT compare to Eustace, and the club wants to go back to actually develop and bring through our young players? 

Has Ismael felt obliged to play younger players or has he given Kris Montgomery his chance cos he felt he was ready to play? 

 

Care to actually expand on what you mean and I might be able to answer? 

Is not on Tomasson unwilling to change his style just like Mowbray didn't change from his false 9 formation when it stop working and results went downhill

The people higher than the head coach are selecting who their head coach is based on different factors whether its style of play or people who will develop young players or fit the group of players they have at their club. 

Why do I have to tell you that its positive when its yourself who seems to massive problems with the things above not myself, so maybe you need to answer your own questions why you do? 

You really are on full propaganda mode lately regarding the club.

[RTM08]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

You really are on full propaganda mode lately regarding the club.

Always was apart from the odd 24 hour blip.

[chaddyrovers]

16 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You really are on full propaganda mode lately regarding the club.

pathetic from yourself. Can't be assed to answered questions but you loved asking them tho. If you aren't prepared to answer then what the point of replying to them. 

You made a series of points but it appears you actually haven't listened properly like Eddie suggests regarding your point about the Brittain point. On the young players minutes point, in the Gestede's interview with Jackson he says he wants us to restart bringing through our young players but doesn't set a target but he says how minutes they played under JDT compare to Eustace. 

Its yourself you has a massive problem and issues how the people higher than the head coach are selecting who their head coach is based on different factors whether its style of play or people who will develop young players or fit the group of players they have at their club. That's your issue with it how clubs are run. 

Edited 22 hours ago by chaddyrovers

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

The people higher than the head coach are selecting who their head coach is based on different factors whether its style of play or people who will develop young players or fit the group of players they have at their club. 

I'm not sure that I'm certain on this. 

[RoverDom]

37 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

people higher than the head coach are selecting who their head coach is based on different factors whether its style of play or people who will develop young players or fit the group of players they have at their club.

More likely how cheap they are and how likely they are to kick up a fuss against waghail 

[47er]

56 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

in the Gestede's interview with Jackson he says he wants us to restart bringing through our young players but doesn't set a target but he says how minutes they played under JDT compare to Eustace. 

He wants them to replace seasoned professionals like Travis and Brittain because he's under orders to get the wage bill down because Venkys have cut funding.

Can't you see the bleeding obvious? Nothing to do with football.

[den]

40 minutes ago, 47er said:

He wants them to replace seasoned professionals like Travis and Brittain because he's under orders to get the wage bill down because Venkys have cut funding.

Can't you see the bleeding obvious? Nothing to do with football.

The only thing that would interest me would be if he got the boot and was replaced by someone who wanted to win games in any way he could. That wouldn’t be age related, it would be ability driven. This lot are turning us into a youth club.

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

pathetic from yourself. Can't be assed to answered questions but you loved asking them tho. If you aren't prepared to answer then what the point of replying to them. 

You made a series of points but it appears you actually haven't listened properly like Eddie suggests regarding your point about the Brittain point. On the young players minutes point, in the Gestede's interview with Jackson he says he wants us to restart bringing through our young players but doesn't set a target but he says how minutes they played under JDT compare to Eustace. 

Its yourself you has a massive problem and issues how the people higher than the head coach are selecting who their head coach is based on different factors whether its style of play or people who will develop young players or fit the group of players they have at their club. That's your issue with it how clubs are run. 

Me and Eddie may have interpreted it in slightly different ways, and neither of us are certain as to exactly what he meant. So I will reword, IF Gestede is having any say in player selections, then it is totally wrong. 

Also on the academy graduate target, I am pretty sure I read recently that the target is either 2,000 or 3,000 minutes per season by graduates. I have said before that I believe that it causes a huge conflict of interest by setting such a target, certainly if its seen as an important objective to meet.

Its not my "issue" but my opinion that some of the things that our club does, things that are seemingly becoming widespread across football in this country are illogical. You have real difficulty in showing any critical faculty, you assume everything done by a football club must be right and refuse to even allow the thought to cross your mind that there may be something that you either dont agree with or think is wrong. You dont give actual reasons why they are for the betterment of football and specifically our club, you usually justify them with parroted management guff.

As far as I am concerned, and I dont really care if other teams do these things, but the below points sum up my opinions contrary to how we actually do things:

- styles of play should not be determined by anyone but the manager/head coach

- selection shouldnt be in any way interfered with by anyone but the manager/head coach

- arbitary targets for things like minutes for academy graduates shouldnt be seen as important objectives because they cause a conflict of interest

- a player should only ever be signed with the full approval of the manager/head coach

- the only factor in picking a manager/head coach should be who will accumulate the most points

[chaddyrovers]

31 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

 

Also on the academy graduate target, I am pretty sure I read recently that the target is either 2,000 or 3,000 minutes per season by graduates. I have said before that I believe that it causes a huge conflict of interest by setting such a target, certainly if its seen as an important objective to meet.

 

Gestede said this to Elliott Jackson in his interview 

Rovers will also look to sign younger players and maximise their Academy, to build sellable assets. That was part of the discussion when appointing Valerien Ismael and a value Blackburn want to return to.

"You have to rely on the Academy also, Adam Wharton is an example. He is a rare one but you can do business with the Academy with player-trading," he explained.

"What we have seen in the last year, the minutes played by our Academy players has dropped drastically. We used to be over 2,000 minutes for Under-23 Academy players. Last 12 months, 142 minutes.

That affects the value of the asset and we want to go back to that model. That was part of the discussions with Valerien. They have to be part of your squad planning."

31 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Its not my "issue" but my opinion that some of the things that our club does, things that are seemingly becoming widespread across football in this country are illogical. You have real difficulty in showing any critical faculty, you assume everything done by a football club must be right and refuse to even allow the thought to cross your mind that there may be something that you either dont agree with or think is wrong. You dont give actual reasons why they are for the betterment of football and specifically our club, you usually justify them with parroted management guff.

Just the same twaddle from going on about this and that about my opinion or having no critical faculty. You are in no position to talk when you couldn't even the most basic question so I take zero lectures from you!

I dont need to give any reasons cos it's your issue with how football clubs(not just Rovers but in wider football) choose their head coach and why they have. 

[47er]

10 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Gestede said this to Elliott Jackson in his interview 

Rovers will also look to sign younger players and maximise their Academy, to build sellable assets. That was part of the discussion when appointing Valerien Ismael and a value Blackburn want to return to.

"You have to rely on the Academy also, Adam Wharton is an example. He is a rare one but you can do business with the Academy with player-trading," he explained.

"What we have seen in the last year, the minutes played by our Academy players has dropped drastically. We used to be over 2,000 minutes for Under-23 Academy players. Last 12 months, 142 minutes.

That affects the value of the asset and we want to go back to that model. That was part of the discussions with Valerien. They have to be part of your squad planning."

Just the same twaddle from going on about this and that about my opinion or having no critical faculty. You are in no position to talk when you couldn't even the most basic question so I take zero lectures from you!

I dont need to give any reasons cos it's your issue with how football clubs(not just Rovers but in wider football) choose their head coach and why they have. 

What Gestede says is not to be taken literally. His job is to defend the owners and the Admin ( of which he's a part).

This is where critical faculties come in. You have to get behind the words for the true meaning.

[Tomphil2]

It's nice how he leaves out that during the 2000 mins we ended up fighting relegation till the last day. The reason it dropped so drastically was they had to bring in a coach to make sure there was no relegation scrap again and his method against that was use more experience.

Which resulted in us being 5th when he left.

So Gestede is it ok if we fight relegation again or even go down just so you can get 2000 mins in the kids ?

Also he might want to add they flogged a couple first chance they got who had racked up some of those mins.

Edited 4 hours ago by Tomphil2