Celtic Tickets

[Circo]

Spot on SteB/

[Paul]

The problem with having too many people on the phone is that hardly anyone who had been queueing for hours would have been able to get a ticket.

Many in the queue were of the view the Club shouldn't be accepting telephone applications at all.

Have to agree with both points there.

It seems to me the only fair and simple system is the points method discussed on this thread and used by other clubs.

'x' points per home game

'y' points per ST

'z' points for a Worthy cup hom etc.

'a' points for away etc. etc

Those with the most points get the tickets first. If you ring the MU ticket line (I confess I have done this for a friend) there's a message counting down the number of points applicable for a game. On Monday you might need 20 points but if the ticket allocation isn't taken up by Wednesday it could be down to 15 or whatever.

The difficulty I see with a points system is ST holders - should they be favoured ahead of the fan who simply purchases a ticket on a match by match basis but still attends the same number of games over a season? The ST holder commits up front - very valuable - the other pays considerably more financially.

[Ste B]

Season tickets have to count higher than anything else, and ultimately have top priority.   The issue here is deciding between season ticket holders for instances of high demand.  

Season ticket holders are not entitled to Top Tenner tickets, or to miss the odd game during the season.   They MUST always get priority for putting their money up front.

[Tris]

The fact is, when all the fuss has died down, there is hardly ever a time when any points system will be needed.

FA cup games - you get 20% of the stadium anyway.  Hardly any team we could draw would present a problem for Rovers fans in the FA Cup except away to a local non-league or 3rd Division side - and most would probably switch the tie to Ewood for the money.

With the run to Cardiff last season, was there ever a time when someone who wanted a ticket didn't get one ?  I know people started panicking about Cardiff but 30,000 went - and as I've already mentioned a fair few haven't been seen since.

Have we sold out an away league game up until Arsenal this season ?  No, and that went onto open sale.  We didn't even sell out at Citeh.

And there is no other draw in the UEFA which could do this.

Maybe United away will bring em all out and good luck to them (personally it's probably the away game I care about the least) - and for that one game you offer it to season ticket holders with 3 away stubs, then non ST's with 3 away stubs and STs with 2.

I can't think of a single other fixture where a points system or equivalent is needed.

[MarkBRFC]

I think you could well be right there Tris, one game every so often like this causes a really big interest and for a game like this it should be introduced, but for any other game i cant see the point as theres never a big enough demand

[Gav]

The fact is, when all the fuss has died down, there is hardly ever a time when any points system will be needed.

FA cup games - you get 20% of the stadium anyway.  Hardly any team we could draw would present a problem for Rovers fans in the FA Cup except away to a local non-league or 3rd Division side - and most would probably switch the tie to Ewood for the money.

With the run to Cardiff last season, was there ever a time when someone who wanted a ticket didn't get one ?  I know people started panicking about Cardiff but 30,000 went - and as I've already mentioned a fair few haven't been seen since.

Have we sold out an away league game up until Arsenal this season ?  No, and that went onto open sale.  We didn't even sell out at Citeh.

And there is no other draw in the UEFA which could do this.

Maybe United away will bring em all out and good luck to them (personally it's probably the away game I care about the least) - and for that one game you offer it to season ticket holders with 3 away stubs, then non ST's with 3 away stubs and STs with 2.

I can't think of a single other fixture where a points system or equivalent is needed.

Beat me to it Tris.  :'>

[CAPT KAYOS]

The fact is, when all the fuss has died down, there is hardly ever a time when any points system will be needed.

FA cup games - you get 20% of the stadium anyway.  Hardly any team we could draw would present a problem for Rovers fans in the FA Cup except away to a local non-league or 3rd Division side - and most would probably switch the tie to Ewood for the money.

With the run to Cardiff last season, was there ever a time when someone who wanted a ticket didn't get one ?  I know people started panicking about Cardiff but 30,000 went - and as I've already mentioned a fair few haven't been seen since.

Have we sold out an away league game up until Arsenal this season ?  No, and that went onto open sale.  We didn't even sell out at Citeh.

And there is no other draw in the UEFA which could do this.

Maybe United away will bring em all out and good luck to them (personally it's probably the away game I care about the least) - and for that one game you offer it to season ticket holders with 3 away stubs, then non ST's with 3 away stubs and STs with 2.

I can't think of a single other fixture where a points system or equivalent is needed.

Beat me to it Tris.  :'>

Chaps

Me thinks Liverpool on Boxing Day

[Hasta]

- and for that one game you offer it to season ticket holders with 3 away stubs, then non ST's with 3 away stubs and STs with 2.

Fair enough but Rovers stated in the season ticket booklet that ST holders will have preference over non-season ticket holder for cup games. So far I've been to City and Boro this year. I've stumped up £350 up front for my season ticket and have paid to attend every game whether I go or not. I'm sorry but if I wasn't entitled to a ticket for Liverpool away on Boxing Day because non ST holders who'd been to say 5 away games this season got one I'd be fuming.

[Baz]

I'm sorry but if I wasn't entitled to a ticket for Liverpool away on Boxing Day because non ST holders who'd been to say 5 away games this season got one I'd be fuming.

Rightly so too!

[Baz]

The difficulty I see with a points system is ST holders - should they be favoured ahead of the fan who simply purchases a ticket on a match by match basis but still attends the same number of games over a season? The ST holder commits up front - very valuable - the other pays considerably more financially.

Surely you can only judge this at the end of every season Paul. How does the club know that you will attend every game till the end of the season? Even if you have a record of having been to every game for the past 2 years on a match by match basis how does the club know that you're not emigrating next week (extreme example) and will never purchase another ticket?

[Uddersfelt Blue]

So a non season ticket holder who goes to EVERY home match and some away games is less deserving of a ticket than a season ticket holder who doesn't bother to turn up for Worthy Cup matches or other similarly unattractive games.

I don't think so.

The sooner we have a points scheme which adequately reflects all fans' loyalty over the years, the better.

[Ricky]

Tris

I was amazed that City didn't sell out. I had a ticket already and on the saturday before the match my misses decided she wanted to come aswell. I rang the ticket office and got a ticket no problem at all. I was at brum and we didn't take loads there either.

If I new you were at Citeh I would have given you a call.

[RevidgeBlue]

Season ticket holders should ALWAYS have priority over non ST holders.

Otherwise there's hardly any point in purchasing one.

[waggy]

i think if most rovers fans could afford a season ticket they would buy one.some people even in the 21st century live from day to day,week to week.if you had been to every away game this season"ie jordan",you should have been presented with your celtic ticket on a silver plate.season ticket or not!

     what is for sure on halloween there will be plenty of rovers fan's at celtic park,enjoying there first away game of the season.whilst loyal fans will be sat at home watching it on tv,thats the injustice.

[Hasta]

So a non season ticket holder who goes to EVERY home match and some away games is less deserving of a ticket than a season ticket holder who doesn't bother to turn up for Worthy Cup matches or other similarly unattractive games.

I don't think so.

If he'd been to EVERY home game then he's a bit thick cos he might as well buy a season ticket!  

if you had been to every away game this season"ie jordan",you should have been presented with your celtic ticket on a silver plate.season ticket or not!

Also surely someone as commited as jordan who goes to every away game will have a season ticket anyway.

I agree with the principle of a points scheme but buying a season ticket should give you a hell of a lot of points straight away, say the equivalent of travelling to 8 away games..

[Tris]

Season ticket holders should ALWAYS have priority over non ST holders.

Otherwise there's hardly any point in purchasing one.

As things are I don't entirely agree - as a London exile I have no sane reason to own a season ticket when Ewood's supply over demand capacity and Rovers sh*te away following allows me to buy a ticket whenever I want one.  You start losing money on a ST as soon as you miss 2 games if I remember my calculations in the summer.

I suppose we're both correct - if Rovers introduced draconian rules which restricted my following of Rovers as a non ST holder in any way whatsoever, personally I'd buy a season ticket, even if I only got to half the home games and wept over the wasted money on the others - so ST sales might go up.

On the other hand, if they did such a thing, how many of the non-ST holders who regularly boost attendances from the 16,000 ST base to well into the 20s would walk away feeling hard done by ?  A lot of these travel considerable distances and probably actually spend far more in a season than STs living in Blackburn ... and in a town the size of Blackburn, Rovers need their support.

Rovers need to strike a sensible balance ... I think they do at the moment ... and once again, they hardly ever need to make these judgements in any case.

[tucker]

Season Ticket holders should get priority to a extent, but as always there are acceptions.

Waggy you can buy a season ticket and pay over 12 months like I did, so for those people living week to week etc, it makes no difference.

A point system or something somilar would be a good idea, provided the club think long and hard over the stipulations before implementing it, maybe listening to fans views etc.

[CAPT KAYOS]

One thing that I don't think people will have thought about is the next round or the one after that....

Just suppose we beat Celtic which I think we can and go through

The suppposed Big Guns from the Champions League drop into the competition and although we wouldn't be able to draw another English team until the next round, there is every possibility that the ticket situation could arise again.  Now if this does happen the interesting thing will be how they allocate tickets then? Can't exactly use the Celtic ticket  scenario.

I know this is possibly unlikely, as I don't think there is any other tie  left for us that could interest every man and his dog - unless of course we progress and Liverpool drop in.

[Paul]

or Newcastle United maybe? The allocation at St. James's Park is usually poor?

[Ste B]

After last year at Newcastle there may be a few who dont bother this time around.   You are so high up its like watching subbuteo.

[Uddersfelt Blue]

This loyalty, season tickets etc. discussion is going nowhere.

Fact is, the club vastly underestimated demand for this game and as a result, on the day it was pot luck as to whether you were going to get a ticket or not.

If anyone has by-passed the rules then they can be criticised but let's not make those who got their ticket through normal channels and are going to the match feel guilty by conducting a witch hunt.

As always the definition of loyalty can be quite subjective so it is up to the club to make this call.

[Debs]

I reckon it must be really hard for the club to predict interest in European ties. Even though we could be confident that Celtic would catch the imagination more than other away fixtures it must be hard to work out the extent of this in advance. All that can be done is to look at previous attendance behaviour of rovers fans in Europe and in cup competitions.

On the whole we have a small away following in the league and in cups, with strange fixtures like Southampton away pulling in the crowds for some reason. Our home gates for European ties have been poor in recent years. I’ll never forget when we qualified for the UEFA cup the last time. A near capacity crowd stayed behind the last game of the season (Newcastle?)  singing in celebration of being in Europe but when we played Lyon at home only about 15,000 turned up, and recently only about 18,000 turned up at Ewood to watch rovers return to European football. There’s no argument that the club have predicted wrongly on this occasion but I can’t blame the club for getting it wrong because I think that rovers fans have a tradition of being quite unpredictable.

[CAPT KAYOS]

For those with tickets here's a taster

http://www.glasgowguide.co.uk/images_parkhead2.html

http://www.eurostadiums.com/countries.php?co=scotland

Click on Celtic - Looks like we might be in the area to the left on the third picture down on the second link -there's a pole there - if anybody can confirm

[Hughesy]

You can all shut up as 3000 wasnt near enough!! we could very easily of sold 3 times that!! Rovers had over 4800 requests on the 1st day of ticket sales!

Fortunatley i was one of the lucky few!

Unfortunatley Celtic only have to give us 3000 as per UEFA however they did originally offer us 7000!!

Why didnt we take them??

[EwoodPork]

This loyalty, season tickets etc. discussion is going nowhere.

Fact is, the club vastly underestimated demand for this game and as a result, on the day it was pot luck as to whether you were going to get a ticket or not.

If anyone has by-passed the rules then they can be criticised but let's not make those who got their ticket through normal channels and are going to the match feel guilty by conducting a witch hunt.

As always the definition of loyalty can be quite subjective so it is up to the club to make this call.

Spot on, Uddersfelt.  Some of our most loyal fans are arguably the exiles who are unable to get to any games but make all sorts of sacrifices to make sure they see and hear as much as they possibly can.  

Too many people for my liking seem obsessed with the vain attempt to identify themselves as better/more worthy fans than their neighbour.