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And that's where your are wrong Scotty my Friend - this is not new and as I have said to Jim above is just gathering momentum due to more questioning things which the action on the field (or lack of) has not helped. Can't disagree with the rest of your post though

If Short and Todd (?) are back I feel we will be alot better at the back and I don't expect a drubbing, however I can't see us getting anything from the game, and all I can see us doing is going out to frustrate the Russian Druggies to a draw rather than trying to win the game. Chelsea the masters thus far this season of the 1-0 and us looking like a candle about to be blown out up front - I can see nothing else bar this very predictable scoreline. 1 v 0 Chelsea - with a late goal yet again in the game due to liability neil losing his man again from a corner or giving away a penalty.

Think you'll find that similar sort of questions where being raised Jim - its just more people are questioning now because things are not improving- in fact they are getting worse. What is happening on the pitch at Rovers has probably exacerbated the problem but even so is not just started - its just its now gathering momentum. Regardless of our disagreement - my worry is that it will start to alienate all types of fans due them becoming dis-illusioned with the game (except maybe Arsenal /MU fans) ie - parents become dismayed and can't be bothered to take on their kids/teenagers being teenagers can't be bothered type of scenario etc/ all ticket rather than cash on door /Sky/cost? - the list is endless but all connected nonetheless.

Excellent post AlanK I've started daydreaming already StuWilky print this post and take it with you to the meeting - show them what it means to the man in the street Football at the moment is just false and manufactured - loved by many - believed by the naive yet argued about by those that care.

With respect Brownie is that not our aim as well like any Football club - if not what is the point? Personally, my feeling is that you go out to win every game whoever you are - and even more so now given the amount these people get paid - but then again that's one of the major problems of Football nowadays. I don't believe that is the No1 aim for any club outside the top 5. Cup progression is nice but Premiership football is essential to everything the club needs. Look how quickly things can go wrong for the likes of Bradford Swindon and now Leeds and Coventry. The 'point' for me is to be able to watch Premiership football every week. Don't seem to remember any one mentioning about the NO 1 aim just about taking games seriously. Also nobody knows who'll be the top 5 until the season ends. Things go wrong for clubs because they are run beyond their means and mis - managed - ours would appear to be a very well run club as a whole. My point is being able to watch Blackburn Rovers play and hopefully win - be it in whatever division - if its in the Premier then all the better but if it was just to watch Premiership Football then I would just go and watch ManU or Liverpool etc or subscribe to the Premiership package for the live games.

Is this because they don't sell coke on draught??

With respect Brownie is that not our aim as well like any Football club - if not what is the point? Personally, my feeling is that you go out to win every game whoever you are - and even more so now given the amount these people get paid - but then again that's one of the major problems of Football nowadays.

You mean you actually thought he was whilst he was here Philipl?? Sort of sheds some light on what alot of us where saying at the time and pours cold water on those that believed he was taking it seriously.

Maybe because of the amount of new grounds popping up around the country and the all seater stadia, people thought it was for the better and that it was the law and was expressed as such. However, over time this has proved to be maybe safer but has near as damnnit nullified the enjoyment and atmosphere at games. My beef is not about whether the away fans are doing it or not as is happens to home fans when we are away - its the way the whole issue is handled in football and as with others, possibly now giving the choice for people to stand by way of a suitable arrangement.

If that's what is needed then yes - but remember not every ground had fences and some grounds including ours still have perimeters. What if the fences were so high they impeded an escape in the event of a crush? That's why they had emergency gates - normally at each end and inthe middle areas - but why would they be made so high - and if all things considered they would not be as cramped as they used to be as some grounds now have larger capacity and there would more than likely be a 3-1 ratio in favour of the seats. In addition I am positive that the advance in technology and attitutude towards the treatment of fans would go someway into solving this. However, how does this make any difference to there being a crush in the seating areas and the seats impeding an escape in a supposed similar situation.

If that's what is needed then yes - but remember not every ground had fences and some grounds including ours still have perimeters.

Erm... TB yes there is - you either sit or don't buy a ticket otherwise you run the risk of being ejected for standing as there is no area for you to have the option to chose to go and stand in. Yes it is my choice to break the rules, as no doubt it is about many others due to the nature of the game and the natural action of many who go to watch games. Question for you - Do you just sit in your seat when we score?- If not then you are choosing to break the rules as well

Alternatively, I want to enjoy it and rant and rave as and when and not resort to arguing with somebody if they are standing up and interfering with my line of view. It is selfish attitudes such as yours that are causing the problems. I pay what I consider alot of money to sit down and watch a football match and I do not want someone in front of me blocking my vision. The rules are that you must sit down. If you don't like it, stay at home. What you reading ffs numbnuts?? and not resort to arguing with somebody if they CHOOSE to sit because I am interfering with their line of view or comfort. As I have said I do not want to end up arguing with somebody over me standing. I am not ignorant to the fact that some people want to sit and If requested a I will sit down without issue - normally especially at away games I even ask before I sit down if anybody has any objection to me standing. Now in my world, this is very respectful and undertstanding and is normally accepted - but what pisses me of is the likes of people with this sort of comment that give rise to arguments occuring - so its it any wonder some people act the way they do Jim? Yet again it is your choice to sit, which the likes of me have to respect- yet we do not have the choice to stand which I find prejudice against those that want to. I pay alot of money for my tickets and would like the choice to stand if I want to hence my feelings on this issue. Throwing it back at you - pay your money to SKY and SIT at home in your cosy armchair. What people are asking for is choice without having to resort to petty arguments - has this embedded into your greying matter yet?? BTW Jim- will be interesting to see you rave in your seat with about 1ft leg space when we next score (?**) Football - don't you just love it?

Beat me to it StuWilky Tris/John/Brownie - This is not just as a result of Saturday and has been bubbling for a while and not just at our club. The situation re standing is causing problems and driving fans away (especially at our club) and I find this relevant to the clubs overall sitaution re finances and fans etc... Yes what is happening one the pitch is not helping and people are venting their anger in other directions, and in all respect our club and the game against Liverpool could be the catalyst for a major incident (due to the ko time/ bad feelings/ scrap performances /last seasons fixture**etc) that is surely going to happen at a football ground soon. As I have said to Den from what I saw on Saturday, it all really started with the actions and attitude of the stewards, which as mentioned previously has been going on for a while and not just this season. As Stuwilky says fans are becoming very disillusioned with Football and issues like these do not help - especially when you do not have a CHOICE to stand and its all interlinked IMO. I had similar ideas re contacting the club due to the goings on in my personal life recently have been unable to generate any time to the cause and StuWilky has come up on the rails and got the ball rolling. I also wish the vocal atmosphere generated on Saturday could be raised to support the players on the pitch rather than the goings on off it, but most if not all came from those standing up and not the moaners sitting down. Therefore if we could stand to generate this type of Atmosphere towards the players on the pitch we might start to see things turn but then we have a catch 22 - do we stand and risk getting arrested or sit down and stay stum, bored to death and thinking about why do I bother. I for one do not want the morgue-like atmosphere's we have at football grounds now - I want to enjoy it and rant and rave as and when and not resort to arguing with somebody if they CHOOSE to sit because I am interfering with their line of view or comfort. On a serious nature - if the debacle of anti standing continues I will be making a major decision on whether I will be re-newing my Season ticket - in fact on whether I want to watch football in the morgues anymore (like OT where it is called the 'Theatre of (wet) Dreams' because everbody is asleep). Luckily at the moment I stand (sit) in an area where the majority also like to stand.

With all respect Den IMO this interlinked and was the basis of the problem -including what was happening on the pitch.

Did you sit down on the terraces then Jim?? I prefer to stand so in answer to your points No - otherwise you'll get thrown out for going to your seat eg how far do you take it? Is this not prejudice against the choice of a standing fan? I don't smoke I don't litter the streets (one of my pet hates as well) except if you include my body for when I've over indulged the Guinness Mmm... speeding - guilty sorry - I'll give you that one - but would also include those in this that drive too slow and haven't got a friggin clue what the lanes are for on the Motoways and what the rules are at a roundabout any more ?

Will also be interesting to see what you get if you go to the snackl bar and ask for a coke at half time.

Not when he first started out USA

Glenn stop beiing so reasoned in your replies people might start to listen Just one point which is a double edged sword really - to get everybody involved and get the mantra going to effect, it normally has to start with people standing up otherwise it will not gather momentum thus leading to a issue akin to Saturday on possibly a far greater scale and back to square one and possibly consequences far worse. My answer - nobody go to their seats and just stand on the concourse wishing you had a beer as you certainly won't be able to get served at the two manned bar, therefore creating a far more dangerous situation than that of people standing in their seats. Personally I feel the horse has already bolted - and listening to people already the Season Ticket sales next season will tell the tale.

"I promise our supporters it will stop. They have my word!" Now where have we heard similar before?

Mmmmm.............. You mean like Duff was USA? Regardless of what's what - we have left footed left sided players so lets start using them.

Maybe those willing to pay the extotionate amount for the ticket will be willing to pay for a 'line' to ease the pain of certain defeat and line the players (Chelski) noses even more. 'Can we take a snuff for you...?' Can we take a snuff for you...?'