And so will I Excellent Post Den think this has contributed towards my decision - Jim take note rather than bitching all the time.

Except for the away fans - so it wouldn't be a sell out Simple as - DON'T PAY IT The longer people carry on to do so the longer they will keep charging them CAPT KAYOS - I dont think they will ever reduce their prices because you are planning a revolt against it. They couldnt give a crap about the away sides, they can fill it week in week out no matter what the price. So what, £40. Its only once a year that Rovers play there. Get your wallet out. The only time our tickets may be reduced is if we are in division 1 or something and we get drawn their in a cup game Not quite Hughesy My point is not just for us Rovers fan though - If demand is not there market forces will prevail (let the oil magnate subsidise it) There was a time when I used to make nearly every game a season - alas the funds are not elastic anymore and on top of the other costs involved I am not willing to pay. Trust me I would love to go to every Rovers game but it looks like Norwich (one of a few grounds I have never been) will be as much as I can extend to at the moment for the distance games.

Except for the away fans - so it wouldn't be a sell out Simple as - DON'T PAY IT The longer people carry on to do so the longer they will keep charging them As I have said on a different thread - unless its a one-off game or a cup semi/final I have my limit at £30. (just watch the Norwich tickets be + £30 now)

Personally I agree with Scotty and would prefer the 442 with x2 centre halves. Not wanting to be antagonistic - but there is plenty of literary material available about our older players with insight to the 'types' of player they where and their achievements hence my votes for RB & LB. I have books that I read about the Rovers and go off knowledge passed opn throughout the years - I know its not the best, but it is worth doing abit of study if you want to vote seriously rather than than of the cuff (much to the derisory of Jim). However, saying as much I have not read anything major with regard to Mike England although down the years Hendry was compared as being the like if not better. I would like it if more who saw the players could make a case for the likes of England as at the moment I am undecided with him /Hendry/Berg/Faz/Keeley/Moran

Agreed SN - Starting saturday I have voted yes on the same basis as what Tris has commented upon. Stick Tugay MGP Djorkaeff in the team for Saturday and shove Jansen up front with Stead Drop Flitcroft and Dickov to the bench I seriously thought Tugay was on his last legs at the end of last season but I feel we miss him badly (or player of similar type anyway)

1 - I hope your joking - either that or you must really be missing football 2- But we still got beat Good post none the less USA and similar to what I was saying about there being light on the Horizon - but just how far is it? One thing is certain, is it looks nearer than it did 3/4 weeks ago and it will be 12 noon sooner rather than later

Must have been at Old Trafford then or you don't speak to many people Greggyk - Think youl'l find at the moment most will agree with you as it does look liken there might be some light on the Horizon - the question is how far is that horizon away? For all our possesion last night we didn't really hurt Charlton and bar the two chances of Flitcroft (why him) we didn't look like scoring. At least Hughes will be able to see the problems now which as far as I'm concerned have been blatantly obvious for nearly two season's now - shame a certain manager couldn't.

No - we'll be in it by December if we carry on as we are Agreed though - I feel Hughes will sort it out

Captain you are a very lucky boy if last night's game was one of the worst you have ever seen. For the worst games I have ever watched involving the Rovers, I hope never to have to endure the likes of Oldham and Bolton at home over easter 1982 ever again. Those games were DIRE! Swindon 1-2 away in Div 1 in 1999 was the worst performance by a Rovers team I have ever seen- even the 0-6 at City and 0-5 at Coventry were honourable defeats in comparison (although I did not see the 1-5 at Barnsley). As for quoting the press, I was only trying to show that the normally hostile football press did not see the Rovers performnce as that bleak. I did say one Phililpl but then again I have seen a few - as to some of them mentioned the matches in theirself weren't that bad -bad for us in terms of scoreline but I meant both teams last night. Fair do's on the media reports but I feel they would have been different if they had seen the last 3 away games. Something I forgot to mention earlier - yet again we managed to give a first to a opposition team/player - so much for the foreign players needing time to adapt - or is that just for us?

Jim do you not read what keeps being said. If you can be bothered to read back you will realise that I have kept saying Newton was so good that he should be selected at left back. I don't need to read back as I can remember mostly what you have said, and as mentioned I cannot remember you demanding Newton for the RB position as much - even though he was primarily a right back. As good as he was, for me you didn't make his case for the LB until it was too late. I voted for Eckersley as personally I feel he deserved it more than Newton and he was afterall a LB. As you have so rightly said, the situation will arise with Douglas/Clayton/Shearer etc - so its up to the likes of yourself who where fortunate to see some of these players to stand up and make yourself heard sooner rather than later. There is a mis-understanding I feel in what is termed as 'greatest' which has already been mentioned will happen in any opinion survey such as this.

2. Why? I have asked you this before on the other thread regarding this and you have still yet to give any reasoned explanation or evidence. Sorry Capt its the same point. If in contravention of Taylor a club sanctioned standing in seated areas there would surely be an issue with the insurance company. Higher premiums or worse a refusal to insure the spectators in those areas could be seriously costly. Thanks for the response TND and I agree. However, this is an aspect that will be looked at - its no different to the old days when standing was the majority - and If everything goes well with the campaign no doubt a report will be drawn up to cover such scenarios and issues. As mentioned its all about the choice to stand and not about enforcing on other people if they chose not to stand - I appreciate your response as it adds to reasons for/against etc and something I hope to possibly give some time to in the future for the Rovers Fans which unfortunately due to personal commitments at the moment I cannot afford the time to.

Have to agree with you again here Scotty. Personally, I thought last night was one of the worst games of football I have ever seen in my life. Call themselves two premier teams - Premier League you 're aving a laugh. I don't know whether to laugh or cry as it is a game we could easily have won yet no team actually deserved to win - but yet again we got beat. Its quite obvious from last night the dross that Souness has left us but the one thing I noticed nobody has really picked up on, is that this was really only Hughes 2nd proper game (forget Bournemouth) and he will be able to see what is obviously clear to the rest of us and sort it (hopefully ) What I find comical though are some of the comments on here : - We need a genuine goalscorer - we already have!! the problem (Jansen/Stead/Dickov) may not be as prolific as some but if used properly and the service is given all are quite capable of poaching in the area and scoring from outside. Jansen still doesn't look right - ###### he looks to me like he is getting better every game and he is not a LEFT WINGER - I repeat - NOT A LEFT WINGER - so Hughes please play him up front where he belongs - we have two left wingers so use them - if not give Gresko a chance there and tell him to play as such. Philipl - Your posts are normally of good report but quoting from these papers means nothing as they only report on what they saw last night well most of us saw what we have seen on far too many occasions - dross. January - As I have said when Hughes was appointed - forget about January until it arrives - we may or may not have any money to spend - what is important is sorting out the debacle we have at the moment - as come January we could already be in the mire (if we aren't already) Friedal - how can anybody blame him for the goal - the ball was going away from goal and he had plenty of defenders in front of him to cover - only one person at fault for the goal - any guesses Observations :- Matteo has shown exactly what he is - a First Division player Amaruso - needs somebody better at his side and also a kick up the backside to stop is momentarily laspses of madness and slack defending. Flitcroft - Not good enough - had his time now get rid - only one way he is going and that is backwards - like all his passes. Ferguson - What was it TND said about sticky fingers? At the moment no way a 7.5m player. Neill - the liability has now become a debt - no idea about positioning and lives in .................. ( insert your own thoughts) Emerton - without doubt our best player again (spooky) but crossing yet again let him down. Concentration and Anticipation - We looked like startled rabbits in' t headlights - our response to passes ( when made) and flick ons is nil , nada, zero - Jansen wins alot of headers but the pickup by the midfield or forwards is never there. Nobody ever attacks a header or cross with any anticipation or determination from the front to the back. Stead and Dickov - are not a good combination - what is clearly obvious is that we need a different pairing - personally for me it would be Jansen and Stead but take your pick bar S & D together. Corners/throw ins/Freekicks /penalties (if we get one) - why are we so crap? Can somebody please take them off Emerton - even a junior schoolboy can reach the penalty spot - where's the fight to attack the ball and will to score a goal aaaarrrgggh..... As you can see its not all bad but I can only take two positives out of last night - one I have said re at least hughes will be able to see the problems facing him and secondly as a formation we do look like we have more of a stable structure, even if some of the parts need tightening up and oiling.

Jim do you not read what keeps being said. Everybody (or most) can readily understand your frustration but I don't remember you putting up this argument so vehemently for the RB slot. Personally I agree with you in terms of the 'old players' in that all round they would appear to be better footballers than the 'modern day' player but I think most have given good reasons as to why they have chosen they way they have. I said on my post earlier your own vote will mainly be biased to who you have seen play rather than who you read about and dependent on how you see a player and what he should do. At the end of the day it is after all just opinions.

Yeah and break your leg and you and your accident chasing scumbag lawyer would prob be the first in the queue to claim damages. Clubs would be committing financial suicide to sanction or condone standing in seated areas. : 1. As you would do TND when panic ensues in your seating area for some reason or other. 2. Why? I have asked you this before on the other thread regarding this and you have still yet to give any reasoned explanation or evidence. StuWilky - Why is it becoming boring? as with any campaign it has to start gathering momentum somewhere, and at the moment this can only be within the realms of the football paying spectator - no disrespect to you but with defeatist attitude saying ' it ain't never going to happen' nothing will. Amanda, as mentioned earlier there is another thread that was started on this and I have added my name to your campaign and receive mails - I would like to do some more but don't have the time due to personal matters at the moment but when things get a little less hectic possibly. What the objectors miss on here is the understanding of 'CHOICE' yet they are the same that moan if somebody stands in front of them when they are sat in their seat.

a lot of replies on this subject for someone who doesn't care i sleep ok thanks,it's of no consequence to me if these people are banned or not,i was just putting forward my opinion of what i have seen of the "evidence". How come you get to see the evidence TrimmTrab? Maybe I can answer this True Blue. As far as I understand, video evidence is available for viewing to the defending solicitors and parties involved but I can't definitely confirm whether this is all the time or for certain instances. I go from experience of what happened at the Sunderland replay the other season( which I mentioned on here) and the arrest of my mate. Not surprisingly, a video was made available from when he was in police custody but not until the day we had to attend court and not surprisingly the video had no sound (police excuse - it was broken at the time) yet was still submitted as evidence. The purpose for this to show the judge that he was drunk and disorderly ( his defence was was whe was arguing why he had been arrested - he did not withstand arrest yet they tried to say he was swearing incessantly). The Police will always try and bend the situation with regard to football hooligans My point here is that I think people are just arguing against each other on here rather than the actual issue at hand. There is fine line here that needs to be addressed as with any other 'hooligan' issue but that's what it is a fine line and 'very' at that as follows: - 1. When should the police react - they need evidence otherwise its pointless but they are pressured into stopping football hooligans so have to be shown to be doing something. 2. Football fans have rights - which the majority of the time are overlooked or totally ignored (herded/videoed etc) but fans just get on with it as part and parcel of the game - in this what I mean is what people are saying on her - innocent until proven guilty - and this prejudice against those that wish` to dress a certain way or drink with people/in the same places is no evidence. I have mentioned before on similar threads - I am not a football hooligan (mad possibly and known by a many on here) I am have a shaved head ( I don't like my hair) I wear lacoste/ben sherman/addidas samba/ baseball cap/lapel badges etc when I go to the football and can count a thousand times when trouble has evolved when I have been at football in/away from the ground - I have been punched and kicked and had to defend myself - question the attitude and actions of police etc and nearly end up being arrested myself - the question is 'does that make me a hooligan - the answer = NO . Now what I am trying to say here is that trouble can happen at any time and sometimes you I have no choice but to defend yourself - and regardless of the situation the Police will always try to prove you guilty to something they try to show has happening rather than what has actually happened. I don't know the full ins and outs ot the situation here or the people involved but it would appear to me that the Police have gone about something in totally the wrong way yet they have a very hard job to do but as always they seem to be going about it the totally wrong way which doesn't endear them to anybody. For those of you questioning BRFCC and Trimmtrab - most ITK 'hoolies' no the situation with the Police and if they get arrested the majority will to phrase a term say ' fair cop guv'nor' and take their punishment but it will not stop them entirely BRFCC- you have chosen to ignore certain questions which leads many on here to question your 'total innocence' hence the slight vitirol towards yourselves, and normally the Police do know who the likely ' bodies' are if there is any trouble so your reluctance to answer cannot go without being questioned. However I do side with you on this although I get the feeling you are ITK if you know what I mean. Personally, from what has been said it would appear to me that the situation here is as said above the Police have gone about it the worng way except there must have been some smoke. I find it strange that it always happens that people who haven't got a clue what happens in the 'hoolie scene' end up discussing about it but go off what they see in the rags rather than what actually happens.

Gav Also looking at going to this ans taking the mrs (oh my god) will let you know as have a few things in pipeline at moment and in the gist of moving house so need to consider baby CK's needs.

you didnt go? Never does, but some idiots on here hang on his every word ! And goes on other supporters mb's commenting on the games as well.

Any loser who thinks last nights performance was acceptable.

He looked more like a person reputedly to be Bret Emerton on reputation, boosted by a new lease of life and confidence. I can say have been fairly impressed but still feel his final ball is very very poor - last night he went some way to changing this and carry on as he is I can honestly say I will be eating humble bumble pie with cream (which I am glad to admit) sooner rather than later.

Spot on, Emerton was exceptional last night. The 6\10 mark in the LET is nothing short of disgraceful. I agree with that totally and its about time people started appreciating Emerton. The lad has had alot of stick on the Message board over the past months, however i feel in the last 3 games he has been our most consistent performer. I just wonder if dickov was playing last night, what difference he would of made. He would of got the whole team going i think Brownie/Hughesy I am one of those that has been critical of Emerton and rightly so and agree 6/10 by the LET was nothing short of disgraceful it should have been 4/10................. sorry only joking. Thought Emerton had his best game for us last night including the Wolves game and was thinking well maybe he has found his level against Div 2 players - but then to give him his dues the customary quirk of ' you can only beat what is put in front of you' rings true here. I am not getting over excited by him yet , but maybe, just maybe my opinion of him may well change. Well done Brett at least it look like you where bothered unlike most of the others (god that was hard )

After last nights performance they won't need any of the bars open Think last nights result answers everything

Have the same feelings SS Tris I also agree with you this time. Den - I said exactly the same thing to Bobf re the fitness Bobf - Agree with the we have no creativity whatsoever and are void of any talent - I also apologise for my whingeing (which actually proved me right with the final result) and apologies to the guy and the little kid in front for my ranting ( even though the kid must have thought I was coco the clown or something due to his laughter) The team last night was an absolute (in Tashor style) FERKIN DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and their attitude stinks. And what totally pisses me off is that there are fans who are happy that we are out and not too bothered about what happened last night- well I am not going to regret saying this but that is what is exactly wrong with our club when we don't give a sheite muslim - apathetic fans and I think we now have the answer to the stayaways, I take it you would not be bothered going if we had got to the final again? Only a few players can come out with any credit from last night and that was Emerton *(yes I have said it) Pedersen/Jansen (for his workrate) Gallagher and Stead again for whis workrate -but god does he need a goal. We are a supposedly Premiership Side and last night was a bloody Embarrasment. The only thing I am glad about is that Hughes will have learnt a hell of alot about the 'strongest squad' we had left by Souness and this can only be good for us in the long run. I AM NOT HAPPY

NOT JUST US As mentioned before - its not just us.

That's the Pie Eaters Arms - aka The Hesketh Arms. Knew you'd remember pie eater ... (whoops sorry slip of tongue there) Bobf

With regard to the post about the buses from Chorley there is a bus - the 124 which you can get off at witton park but the problem with this is that it is a 20 minute walk through Mill Hill and on a night like tonight you have to leave 10 minutes early to catch it. This means that you are knackered from running from the ground to the bus stop and theres no time for a post match drink. Is there not a South Lancs supporters group around somewhere? There is S.Lancs group that meets at Standish in Wigan (forgot the name of the pub) Not sure that it runs travel to the home games, but it does pick up for away games in Chorley where they have arranged transport for. Don't have the contact details I have at the moment, but this is the contact from the Official Site - c/o GRAHAME WALKER TEL 01257 401005