I don't disagree that Norwich have many advantages over us due to parachute payments etc but there is more to it than that. Norwich may have more money and better players than us but we beat them. We beat them because they didn't play well and the manager was not getting the best out of his players. Maybe there was some conflict between the players and the manager. The fans certainly didn't like the manager. So, as a normally functioning, well run club with ambition, the Norwich board assessed the situation and decided to act. It will probably turn out to be the right decision and I would expect them to be in the playoffs without having to spend heavily. The fans, the club and probably the players will all feel that it was done in the everyone's best interests with the aim being to get promoted this season. That's the difference - We have no board to speak of, we have no ambition, we have nobody behind the scenes responsible for the best interests of the club. We just have the fabled 'journey'. The £50 million will obviously help but being well run and decisive, as a club, is just as important. That is our main problem. In theory, we have an opportunity to spend a chunk of money this window due to the profit declared last year but we all know it won't happen. Rovers need mending from the inside before we will progress. Venky's out

I spoke to a member of staff before Christmas. They can still order new stock of home shirts and could have ordered new stock weeks ago but due to the minimum order quantities imposed by Macron, they made the decision not to order any more shirts this season. The reason given was that they don't think they will sell the quantity they will be forced to order and don't want to be left with loads of shirts at the end of the season. So they basically underestimated demand when making the initial order and once they were gone that was it. Tough luck to anyone who wants a home shirt after that.

Having announced a profit last financial year we must have the option to spend some cash. I know that FFP works on a rolling 3 year basis and once the 'profit year' rolls out of the equation we will be in trouble again but as of today, we surely have options. Why go to the bother of 'selling/buying' Brockhall to create cash flow if we don't take advantage of it. They have to take a gamble at some point and we have the chance right now while sitting in the playoff places - more so than last year due to the better profit/loss position. Any serious owners would be around the table right now, planning the next move.

Yesterday's match was fairly typical of Rovers away performances this season. I didn't have much hope of anything else. We are a 'poor to average' team for this division. The defence is steady enough when defending (not farting about , trying the fancy passing). midfield is not competitive and attacking options are limited to BB doing something special. Never going to be a recipe for success. Shout out for JRC who at least turned up and played well with a bit of spirit. If we are 'in transition' then why play Morton as he is not part of any future plans and is no better than what we already have. Nothing against him personally but it makes no sense. Having said that, for the second season running we are in the playoff positions in January and have the opportunity to stay there. If, like last season, we take no serious steps to strengthen now then we all know the likely outcome. Other clubs will take the opportunity.

I wish I had read this thread earlier. I phoned Roverstore on Monday and explained that I would be visiting on Tuesday to buy a shirt and wanted to make sure the shirt printing service was available as I've been to the shop in the past and had to return at a later date to get a name put on the shirt. I was assured that printing service would be available on Tuesday. I duly turned up on Tuesday, after travelling a fair way, to be told there were no shirts available! You'd think they might have mentioned it on the phone! Apparently Macron will only supply in large quantities ( 500 of every size is the minimum order ) The club don't think they will sell in those quantities between now and the end of the season so are not ordering any. I was told that the lead time is over a month ( but I guess that would not have been a problem if they ordered more before completely selling out ). Who decided to go with Macron without knowing all this in advance ? I wonder if the owners give a toss about this sort of thing? - You don't need to answer that.

It's not Top Trumps! A manager's past playing career counts for nothing and doesn't necessarily make him a good manager. Ferguson won nothing as a player but, as a manager, had the respect of some of the world's greatest players - so it's a nonsense argument. The players are allowed to have an opinion on the style of football he is asking them to play and are well within their rights to point out it doesn't seem to be working.

Still not recovered from Sunday. I can't get over the lack of reaction from our players when Barnes pushed Kaminski into the net after the first goal. It didn't even galvanise them into some sort of reaction. We just folded. Imagine Keeley, Flitcroft,Todd or Savage putting up with that. We need some players with some passion. I suspect Wharton may have reacted but, sadly, he wasn;t on the pitch.

I would ask him what Venkys promised him when he took the job, if he believed them and if he has seen or heard from them since? Has he been promised performance related bonuses or are the owners happy with an aimless existence in the Championship? Have there been any actual board meetings to discuss progress since he arrived? Is he under any pressure to succeed at all? I think I already know the answers.

Still not recovered from Sunday. I can't get over the lack of reaction from our players when Barnes pushed Kaminski into the net after the first goal. It didn't even galvanise them into some sort of reaction. We just folded. Imagine Keeley, Flitcroft,Todd or Savage putting up with that. We need some players with some passion. I suspect Wharton may have reacted but, sadly, he wasn;t on the pitch.

100% their fault. The buck stops with them. Interested and engaged owners can have a massive influence on a club. Conversely, absent owners employing underachieving staff and coaches does not help build a successful team. Rovers is a shadow of the club it should be and that is down to Venkys. A drubbing by Burnley is simply a symptom of their ownership.

Absolutely dire. I can barely bring myself to comment. Sadly, it is no surprise - virtually every away match this season has been a dress rehearsal for that performance today. Playing those tactics with our set of players is suicide against a team like Burnley. We simply handed them the game on a plate. Why persist with it ? why why why ? A bit of passion may have helped to ease the pain a little - but no! I think our league position is flattering and I'm not hopeful for the rest of the season. I'm sure our lovely owners in India are hurting as much as I am !! The nightmare continues.

I agree in that I can see what JDT is trying to do and that he is trying to instil his methods into the players. The problem is that we just don't have players with the skill or composure to play out of defence safely. Travis, Ayala, Hyam, Scott Wharton are not sophisticated players and are not particularly comfortable with the ball at their feet. Brittain and Pickering may be more suited but still tend to be a little bit rushed. So it comes down to Morton, A Wharton or Szmodics to find a killer pass and last night they were all giving the ball away for fun or putting other players under pressure by playing them into trouble. JDT can keep trying this approach but it's not going to work with these players. We have some really good players but we need to play to their strengths. Let the defenders be good, solid, no-nonsense defenders and get the creativity moved further up the pitch ( Bradley Dack hint hint ).

Playing this 'pass it out from the back' will never work with this set of players - they are not good passers of the ball and they simply end up eventually passing to the opposition. It's frustrating to watch even when we win. When we are bad we are absolutely dire. According to IFollow we won 87% of the heading duels in tonight's match. Maybe the manager should have noticed this and tried to mix it up a bit. Brittain on the left is just ridiculous. Vale or Hirst on the pitch while Dack is on the bench is ridiculous. Very poor management by JDT tonight.

One touch to the opposition mainly. I'd be ecstatic with a draw from this one.

Should be starting before Travis

If a manager won't play a player after a tiff that's a bad sign. Whatever is best for the team should come above all else. I suspect Venky's have indicated they wouldn't mind getting his wages off the books. Remember Ryan Nelsen 'wasn't fit' for months and then signed for Tottenham and was straight in the team. Happened with others too.

At any other club yes. I think Venky's are past caring about results. Sacking a manager would just be an unwanted expense. Maybe JDT will decide to order a taxi himself.

Only if you extrapolate from our current points total. I think winning the first 3 games is probably giving a false pictue. I can't see us winning 3 on the bounce again any time soon. Since those 3 games we have 9 points from 9 games. Carry on at the current rate of points accumulation will get us 52 in total. I think that is more likely than 69. We've lost 6 of the last 9 and we look a poor team

What a shame that people can prevent the truth from being spoken just because they have enough money to start a legal battle that the innocent people stating honest facts cannot afford to contend.

There's still a job to be done. The club still has an uncertain future while absent, disinterested people are in charge. We need to push for local people on the board and a fan's 'shadow board' as recommended by the Government backed fan led review. One day Venky's will leave and we need to make sure the club is not left high and dry.

A Sunderland fanzine once asked for votes on the best players ever to play for the club and the worst players ever to play for the club. Two teams were then compiled based on the votes. Howard Gayle made both teams

Just remembered that we've actually had a Diaz playing for us before : Jorge Gonzalez Diaz. Better known as Jordi. I think he may have featured in the Worthy cup final

I've recently been in USA. Americans are sports mad and like to talk about it. In addition to baseball, American football etc, I talked with a number of locals about our football and they were all asking about Wrexham. I saw adverts for the 'Welcome to Wrexham' TV series in at leaset 3 different cities. Ok, so the two guys that bought Wrexham are famous Hollywood actors so already have a high profile but they are really putting a lot of effort, care and attention into the club and America is loving it. One guy I spoke to knew that Wrexham once beat Arsenal but didn't know that the Red Sox guy owns Liverpool which just goes to show what can be done with a bit of marketing. I really believe that Wrexham will benefit massively from all this and the club will go from strength to strength. In terms of Money, Venky's blow the Wrexham guys out of the water. India is also a sports mad country and the potential is massive. Remember when Rovers were going to be India's Premier team and there would be Rovers' academies all over the country. What happened to that? If Venky's wanted to, they could drum up interest in India. Imagine if a fraction of the sports loving country were interested enough to pay for Rovers TV or buy a shirt. Why not have a link to an Indian IPL cricket team and show Rovers matches before a cricket match or during the breaks in play? Why not a TV series in India on the Indian owned football club ? We all know the endless possibilities, however, it is quite clear none of this will ever materialise because Venky's don't want it to or simply can't be arsed. This will never change. We all want Rovers to win football matches but, in my opinion, any talk of chumming up to the owners and expecting some sort of benefit for the club at this point is simply a lost cause. If we have any desire to put the club back on a steady footing and have something to believe in once again, we should put all our effort and endeavour into persuading Venky's to sell up. How best to do that is the question.

Do FFP restrictions reset ? I thought they were always on a continual rolling basis and money coming for from player sales will always make a difference to the situation the following year.

He;s not even in the Wigan squad today.