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The first thing to say, are these are not my claims. Some ex players have gone on record (Michel Solgado) being one to suggest there was suspicious activity going on. There are letters from some of the Rovers directors at the time, asking serious questions of certain people, including questions about cheques being requested and of course the leaked letter from Paul Hunt to the owners. Feel free to class none of that as substantial, as there is plenty of substance there, in my opinion. If you haven’t seen any evidence of it and you want to satisfy your curiosity, read the blog in it’s entirety.
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For those who want to believe there were no skeletons in the closet fine. I am sure some people would also like to say that the story still available if you click the link below, is bull, but for the open minded amongst us and especially those who haven’t read it, take a look....http://roversrevisited2.blogspot.com/2016/09/good-money-if-you-can-get-it.html?m=1
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There is plenty of evidence that there are skeletons in the closet. Not that I like him, but Allardyce brought some to the surface several times. Glen Mullan brought plenty to the surface too, it’s just that some powerful people, decided to sweep it under the carpet. Look at how the BBC managed to keep a lid on a severe deviant for decades, despite there being plenty of evidence to nail him before his death. Sometimes it is possible, especially with financial clout to cover things up and I can’t help but think, this is the case here.
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This how to become a millionaire joke has got to apply to Venky’s. What’s the quickest way to become a millionaire? Become a billionaire and buy a football club!!
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It’s a lot isn’t it and you have to wonder, if someone is still getting a nice little earner? The supply of brown envelopes can only cost peanuts, but it’s what stuffed inside them perhaps, that could provide the answers.
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This is exactly why Venky’s can never be trusted to do the right thing. Surely they learned that a last minute change of heart, about a manager, was disastrous, after dropping the Warnock appointment in favour of Coyle. Despite this and assuming what people are suggesting about Mowbray, after the Bournemouth game, is correct, why do a similar 180 degree again and keep Mowbray? Its back to this badly advised again and who is advising them, or perhaps making the decisions?
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They aren’t going to do this and that’s why they need to go.
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I follow that all the time. Have a quick look at the Glazers business and tell me if they would throw money away every year? I suspect they get far more kudos owning them, then VH ever will. It makes no sense throwing this money away every year, despite their wealth. Quick question, if I asked you for £20 per week to feed my dog, as I lost my job, would you do it?
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I know a fair bit about business, having run one for at least 20 years. One thing I can point out to them, is a very quick way of adding £20 million, to their profits over night. There is no kudos attached to owning Blackburn Rovers right now, that disappeared about 11 years go. If there is such a word as anti kudos, then that's exactly what they will get, if the club does ever end up in administration or worse and they are in serious danger of doing exactly that.
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Dare I suggest it is Venky's who have caused most of this and get rid of them and we are back to a family run harmonious club again. Did you notice how harmonious the home fans were on Saturday at Bloomfield, now that their bad apple has been removed?
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And what fun is there in that? Are you happy to see us repeat the cycle of the last 10 years again?
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Most fans would settle for that, hence no need for £20 million a year to fund it. Start again and sell the odd diamond every now and again, just like we used to and bring in the odd bargain, now and again too. We were looked up to with envy, by most of the football world, when we had the likes of Howard Kendall and Don Mackay who had us punching above our weight, almost every year.
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Spot on and you just need to look back and see what happened in the first 3 years to see a pretty clear picture. If you haven't watched it, have a look at the Al jazeera documentary on only laundering in football, as it doesn't half tell a tale.
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It doesn't and we can only hope they do the right thing. Do they want to pump another £20 million in, until we get to the premier league, or call it a day now and cut their losses. We will never get to the premier league under the ownership, it has been far too hap hazzard for far too long and is very unlikely to change. The best analogy is giving the keys back to the lender, as the house the funds are secure against, is sinking into the ground and will eventually be gone. No point in owing £300 million plus on a hole in the ground
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I am pretty much of the same opinion.
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If you look at what happened, then yes Lambert was a bad appointment. In terms of his ability, we will never know, but from what he said, he was promised certain things, by the person(s) who appointed him and they never materialised. Fair play to him, for sticking to his guns and resigning, so whoever it was who thought they could lie to him, made a very bad choice appointing him. If the end game, is promotion to the premier, which is what was suggested in the post I replied to, then yes Mowbray and Bowyer were too, although I honestly in my heart of hearts, think that Bowyer did a great job. He steadied the ship even more than Mowbray and come the closest to getting us in the top 6 than anyone, since VH racked up.
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It is amazing that every single managers appointment for close on 11 years, has been a bad one. It makes you wonder, if there is another reason why these managers are being chosen, like they are from a certain agency for example, or someone else picks them. The law of averages says, they should have got at lease one right by now.
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I don't think anyone is looking at their players, or set up with envy, just the owners and decision makers. This very thread tells you how we were turned over, by a club, who had a very dubious owner, until very recently. Was that due to their better players or set up? I would say not, it was because they are now being run better and worked harder than us on the day and in the run up to the match. We simply want to be run correctly and not have a team of chancers, making key decisions and doing nothing but make a Horlicks of those decisions, for over 10 years. Carry on as we are and I would suggest Bolton, Portsmouth and Wigan will also be turning us over on the pitch very soon, not to mention ASFC too, whose owner is the polar opposite of our owners. This situation has been building for over 10 years and I for one am sick of it.
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Absolutely, it is a manged decline, by the look if it, as you could hardly have failed so badly in every area, even if you were deliberately doing so.
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I might be very wide of the mark here, but I get the impression that Venky's are frightened to death or a proper investigation, into what really happened during the take over. There were allegedly some very dodgy things happening and plenty lined their pockets allegedly too. You only need to look at some of the players who arrived at the club, made no appearances and sailed off into the sunset. There were also plenty who were signed for crazy amounts, paid crazy wages and were nothing like the standard required, even after relegation form the premier league. I would hope, they would do the decent thing, write off the debt and hope that a proper investigation is not carried out.
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The best of luck to them, as it was awful what happened to them and the chancer that did it, should never have been approved as fit and proper. The biggest danger to our clubs are people like him and the similar chancer who nearly did the same to BWFC. It is time that the fit and proper test was revisited and a a proper system brought in.
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I know some people just want to bury their collective heads in the sand and get behind the lads, but is anyone enjoying seeing the lads play in front of around 10,000 fans, get stitched up for their drinks and food, no longer have a programme to read and seeing the stadium, decay around them?
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Football Clubs That Go Into Administration: What Happens and Is It Really a Disaster? Back in May, the English Football League’s chairman Rick Parry told government ministers that ‘five to ten’ EFL clubs could go into administration in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic. Most have been left hopelessly out of pocket by the virus, with a £200 million ‘black hole’ quoted by Parry, and even clubs higher up the food chain have been feeling the pinch. Wigan Athletic, who at the time of writing had won more points in the Championship since Christmas than any other side, are the first team to be put in administration since the outbreak. And as per EFL sanctions, the Latics will be deducted 12 points should they finish outside of the division’s relegation zone. However, if they go down to League One, Wigan will start the new season on -12 points. Either way, it looks increasingly likely that they will be playing in the third tier in 2020/21. What’s all the more mind-boggling is that the administration comes just one month after a Hong Kong based consortium, Next Leader Fund, took over the running of the club. So should Wigan Athletic fans be fearful for their beloved’s future, or is being put into administration really as dramatic as it sounds? Here’s a look at how the administration process works. What Happens When a Football Club Goes Into Administration? Essentially, when a football club is unable to pay off its outstanding debts with its current cashflow, a firm of accountants – known as the administrators – are brought in to see if changes can be made to free up some spare funds. Typically, that involves the sale of players and perhaps even the club’s stadium or training ground, while the administrators may also call for changes behind the scene in order to cut costs. The administrative process also orders how payments are made, ensuring that players and staff are paid first and that debts such as outstanding transfer fees are also satisfied. The administrator’s main task is to prevent the club from being declared insolvent, and they try to do this by restructuring debts, selling assets (e.g. players) or by finding someone willing to buy the club and take on the debt. If the financial situation cannot be resolved, the administrator can recommend that the club be shut down through the liquidation process – as seen at the likes of Bury, Chester City and Darlington in recent times. What are the Punishments for Going Into Administration? You can’t really levy fines on a football club with no money. And so the EFL has sought ways to punish clubs placed into administration in other ways, and in 2015 the decision was taken to increase the points deduction from ten to twelve points. This can be put into place at different times – as seen in the Wigan example – and will either affect the current season or, in some cases, the club will carry the punishment over to the next campaign and start on -12 points. The points deduction was introduced to stop clubs taking a soft way out of debt by voluntarily going into administration without any repercussions. Is Administration the End for a Football Club? There is no real consensus as to whether administration is a necessary evil or the start of the process in which the Grim Reaper appears on the terraces armed with his trusty scythe. Here’s a list of clubs who have entered administration in the past ten years: Crystal Palace 2010 Survived Now in Premier League Portsmouth 2010 Survived Rebuilding in League One Plymouth Argyle 2011 Survived Back in League One Rushden & Diamonds 2011 Liquidated – Darlington 2012 Liquidated – Port Vale 2012 Survived Still in League Two Coventry City 2013 Survived Promoted to Championship Aldershot Town 2013 Liquidated – Bolton Wanderers 2019 Survived Relegated to League Two Bury 2019 Liquidated – Prior to 2010, the likes of Leicester City, Leeds United and Southampton all entered administration, and they have bounced back with aplomb – Leicester went from League One to Premier League champions in barely five years. Of the clubs that have entered administration since 2010, a number that are similar in profile to Wigan Athletic – Coventry City, Portsmouth et al – have taken their medicine and are now rebuilding well; both could be playing in the Championship in 2020/21. Of the four that have been liquidated, three – Aldershot, Rushden & Diamonds and Darlington – were playing in the National League at the time, and at that level it becomes incredibly difficult to find the investment required to survive. These are also clubs without any real saleable assets too. It is the cases of Bolton and Bury that will be worrying Wigan fans. Lancashire is well populated by football clubs in what is a largely cash-poor area, and so finding external investment is key – quite what Wigan’s new ownership team from Hong Kong have in mind is anybody’s guess. Bury simply could not find a way back from the brink, while Bolton – who have gone from the Championship to League Two in the blink of an eye, are also looking to work their way up from the bottom. Wigan have a good team and a savvy manager, and so they can only pray they find their way out of this predicament on the pitch as much as they find solidity off it. Update from me, as this was an article from 2020 Wigan look like they have found a way and I am sure it was not the prayers that did it. If they can survive, so can we. FOV
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It is quite baffling that some supporters feel that way. I know the bulk of the posters on here are anti Venky's and there have been some questions, quite rightly asked about how we would survive without Venky's, but we are nearly 150 years old. we survived before they arrive and we will survive after they have gone. All they have ever done is increase our debt. we have had NO success with them and will always be in financial danger, whist they are here. We are a far bigger club than Derby (based on our success) and according to the experts they have a 95% chance of surviving. Get rid of our owners now for me and bring on administration, as if Derby have a 95% chance of surviving, our will be even higher. Venky's out for me and the sooner the better. FOV
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That has been predicted and perhaps the changes will be akin to Derby. Derby County: Club have '95% chance' of survival, say administrators - BBC Sport