The black and white of it is Eustace is moving to a club he probably prefers to work for, closer to his own pit, with a carte blanche expectation level and likely a long term contract to boot. Thats the engineering of someone who understands the game from the point of view as an employee. The unfortunate part that this ignores, he also was a custodian of a “public” establishment and if you’re preaching togetherness and family, you’ll look a cock if you can’t even see your own contract out. It’s not a coincidence we’re looking for a manager exactly 12 months on (after the transfer window). Anyone with any inkling of knowledge of football, specifically rovers, knows what’s holding us back and it’s not Mowbray, JDT or Eustace. All those three have their flaws, but I still think the position were currently in (insane after our recent form!) will attract a better level of appointment than previously.

Easy to understand, football business aside. Following a club is a personal love and decision, when you’ve just watched someone who preached togetherness basically engineer their way out - you can’t blame fans for being very fucked off. (At the owners AND JE)

Just to add my thoughts; I agree with the most part of those angry at the owners (they’re ultimately responsible for the club) but I’d just like to add that John Eustace shouldn’t be coming out of this smelling like roses. For all the togetherness and family quotes, he’s basically engineered this mid season. Can’t blame the man professionally but it’s hard to accept, as a member of that “family”, moving to a rival, and basically begging for it on live tv. Professionally I understand, it’s a short career to some extent and I’d prefer the new commute. Personally I feel like he’s used us and dropped us at a moments notice. Theres an obvious “groundhog day” feeling that we can’t ignore, but I’d rather any rovers manager had the personal values not to engineer this sort of decision mid season.

There’s loads in that we all want, I mean the expectation of a new owner - I can fully understand why you’d give up on that but I don’t want too 😂 https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/middlesbroughs-psr-situation-explained-amid-29463544.amp Re Boro though - have a read of the quote. To be right on the limit, they’re playing a different game. Exactly what happens with active owners, look at City ffs, spent more in January than the entire league last January! Football is fucked ultimately.

The sort of active interest though that I’m sure we all agree we’d want, however our story is over a decade of disrespect. I’m not sure it’s Gibson who still owns or runs Boro but I’d rip the arm of a Blackburn businessman prepared to take the club on. I agree but to a certain extent it’s negligible because I have an overriding feeling that we’re never even thought about by the Rao’s, unless it’s an annual AGM on losses!

Well that’s subjective I think, easier to sell a business not regularly losing money.

I don’t understand the last sentence, in terms of ignoring the site there are times when (we both know this) that it’s useful for rumours, especially for those like me who don’t use social media. In terms of the other point. I’m sorry that I have the opinion there are a group of “legacy” posters who simply won’t stop bringing the same old arguments into every thread. That’s just where I’ve got too!

Because their owner is day to day investing in the club, ours isn’t and I’d rather they didn’t. If that’s hard to understand then fair enough.

You mean those with 100m+ year wage bills with parachute payments? Btw if you took them out of the equation we would 2nd.

This is the January transfer thread, whilst I agree that their mismanagement has caused us untold grief, could we try and focus on recent times? Does every discussion need to relate back to the same problem?

We’ve replaced all the players over the last season, but did you expect like for like or near in fees? Also how fierce would be the competition for a ready made Szmod? That’s part of the previous post - a club that’s currently not relying on a billionaire to cover the 150% turnover to wage bill ratio can’t afford to spend all the proceeds. I don’t want us to rely on them personally. On second part, If you believe that our manager / team aren’t trying to win, or that there’s some sort of agreement with directors / owners that to hold us back, that’s up to you but I think it’s nonsense. Childish, paranoid and simplistic bollox to more precise. Sometimes the most obvious and answer is the truth you know? For example; careless disinterested owners hired directors who are shit at their jobs?

I think where me and you disconnect on this is I don’t see the Rao’s (ergo ”They”) as running the club. I see a club that’s currently having to live within its means, and whilst you me agree that the people they pay to run the club are shite, I’d rather not rely on them ever again.

Re the specific terminology in bold, I’m not sure that’s how it works. Previously they just allotted shares to the tune of our losses, but now we’re not making a loss so they’re not putting their own cash in. They have no interest in us, and are shit: however it’s important to use facts, they don’t take money out. They never have.

I still think it would be early go one way or another with some of the other signings from the summer so I wouldn’t expect anything damming / supporting from me, on players who’ve been here a fortnight. TDLR; Dion replaces Fadz, Forshaw replaces Baker, Kargo is someone I’ve never even heard of and haven’t watched braga this season. There’s literally no assessment to make.

I’m not going near the latest two until they’re in the shirt on the pitch 😂

I’m not employed in football in any form, I’m as clueless as everyone else here but I would ask if you’d consider some of these points I wrote that I think, instead of going to sleep; 1. Any acknowledgment of competition for a small group of players that fit the “model” aka they’re potentially a profit, they’re better than the players you have and they’re leading championship players ready to roll? How many clubs are looking for that? 2. What about finding fees and wages for those specific players from 1. that fit into a structure that suits a budget? A budget that would take a £50m+ (Burnleys annual wage bill for 24/25 btw will be at least 5x total) per season investment to match the 3 relegated teams? This, in an agent era, when players would rather leave for free to enhance their options. Dolan next? 3. There’s genuine agreement, acknowledgment or whatever you’d call it, that we’re basically on the shelf of a multimillion rupee conglomerate. I’m as depressed as anyone regarding this, however I just can’t get my head round the volume of people wishing and hoping for more Rao cheques. Fuck them, I don’t expect or want big investments from them. I know I’m not the only one. If the recent transfer receipts give us a marginally more competitive budget over a longer period compared to a team losing money, it’s a better investment than relying on billionaires who don’t care and can meddle IMO. We’re surely a better proposition for a new owner if we’re not burning through cash too. 4. I really rate Eustace and I also think our academy is basically pushing us forward, however I think the likes of Waggot and other backroom staff are jobs for the boys level shite. I don’t think they’re capable of organising some sort of conspiracy that others constantly reference - as recently as accusing Travis being told to say “we’re already good enough for top 6” to lower expectation. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone cocked these transfers on deadline day up again, but it would be another example of incompetence, rather than notion that shadows are at force to hold us back.

Would be lost in the miasma of crap wouldn’t it. Pointing out we’ve had the same owners for 14 years and lost money in every one but this, I mean what’s the point of that when you’ve 95% screaming for Rao investment? I said recently I’d be happy if the Rao’s, never put a penny into the club again and @RevidgeBlue , a very constant poster over the last decade said I “must be a Burnley fan” So there you go. As pointless as it was fulfilling your request, I’d rather the club washed its own face all day long.

If that’s objectively then I need to resit English GCSE

Maybe not but it would take a liar to argue the average daily diatribe isn’t anything but your last sentence.

wow, you’ll get loads of stick for not moaning 😂

Wow. You’ll fit right in here

You never refer to anything that might tainted by a thing I call “realism” though!

Interesting how you can read 30 approx different posters and then reference the only two who might be “sniffing the flowers” aka praising the owners You know there’s 91 other teams in the English league setup right?

There’s a difference between raising potential “cons”, yet ignoring anything that could be called a “pro”. That’s not balance

Chaddy I admire your perseverance but you’ll never convince a lot of these otherwise. They’re not tuned in for this.