Sorry but can I just unequivocally state that I believe this to be complete horse manure? In my opinion, he’s come on leaps and bounds because of the management team, not despite it.

Adapt is a key term - yesterday too, hanging on to points is something we couldn’t do last year - Perhaps personnel is more important than tactics for this, the great “game management” debate.

The irony being, I wouldn’t feel the need to repeat myself if my original points had been left.

I would in a handshake - Funnily enough many of their fans would’ve said bye to Dyche last year too. I do think that we should be impressed that our current squad can react to an illness outbreak the day of the game, play a system they haven’t practiced all week with a few changes in personnel - and then control a game.

Main forum for discussion, busiest, most “balanced” form of social media compared to FB/Twitter; Top thread come 7pm after first game of season; “MOWBRAY OUT” Cringe isn’t strong enough a word.

Also 25 years ago. There’s not many teams that score goals for fun playing a wide 442 with two target men these days. Funnily enough, Burnley are about as close as I can think of, yet their entire philosophy is about being 100% committed, organised and extremely hard to break down.

Just to add; it started the day he arrived. This thread however was the latest iteration and came right after the Charlton game. As for good and bad - you’re absolutely spot on and the debate will always rage on. After the two games you mentioned, and the Oldham away defeat - lowest point of his tenure for me.

Precisely - I used to laugh at Geordies for their expectancy, their flip flop mentality towards managers and players. The initial wave of dissatisfaction in a bad result is bound to sharpen the tone/terms of a reaction but I’ll never get my “bonce” round many initial views in this thread, and without generalising too much, many leant towards out rather than in, which I still find mind-blowing.

Didn’t see any bickering personally, but you did cut out a key point. Just to re-iterate, I am of the opinion that it’s extremely unwise to be reactive towards big decisions (in anything) hence why I still can’t get my head round the way that discourse started in this thread. 90 minutes into a new season. If it had been continued from other manager threads, or discussed from a “writings been on the wall, thus time is running out” - maybe I wouldn’t have cringed my head off? I wanted the title changed over a month ago and as I said then, I felt it made the first page of the football forum “super-over-reactive and unpalatable”. I also think it’s disrespectful, makes us sound straight out of Gateshead or even Arsenal fan TV..

There is no justification in calling for any managers head after one game. People will try, tag on last season say things like“I’ve always felt like this”, which is exactly the point about being close minded. The reality though - whether you see little or lots of value in a manager, there are appropriate windows to sensibly move one on, with certain owners this can be borderline impossible. Its not about some “I told you so” nonsense, it’s about the opinion that the reaction was embarrassing. Still is. Thankfully those with the ability to change the thread titles are in agreement.

https://twitter.com/bbclancssport/status/1175456788805820417?s=21 Rothwell was ill then. Have to say, Evans also sounded like he was immense today.

AA TOP BINS

Jeez man link us up! I’m no insta-Queen

Downing hadn’t started a game in 6 months either, and Gallaghers had more injuries than appearances in the last few seasons. Well debunked the standard Mowbray Beef anyway.

Can anyone qualify if he can be registered to play prior to January? If he comes that is.

I agree some are obviously better - even the best or most reputable may have weaknesses to their game, it’s a much more complicated picture than you paint. Its telling that we’re back to manager in/out from the remarks about suggesting coincidences or flukes too - if you’ve come to the conclusion someone will not achieve something, you’ll always look to find rationale to support that view. Im open minded about Rovers at current, and TM. I’m not convinced the club is completely geared to go forwards/upward - for reasons similar to what you say with ownership too. I’m also quite positive and excited about the actual TEAM being developed. Swings and roundabouts. Saturday was another tick in many boxes, despite the concerns being the main discussion.

I get that - of course certain things might happen via the will of the world, but there’s only 92 league clubs, and if managers had as little positive impact as you, and many more of our posters suggest, I’d be wondering what’s the point of even having one?

No but you do insinuate regularly that positives are “stumbled” upon, hence why I’m trying to point out perhaps the worry over the summer overlooked someone at the club deciding DW might save us a fair few million as a CB.

You say you try to be balanced but you use shocking, poor and abject criticism consistently. For example - the performances I’d describe as “shockingly poor” down the years are generally saved for the Murphy’s or the Duffy two OGs + a red. It may simply be down to different use of semantics, but I find it hyper critical. The AA part was merely giving some extra aspect that the “WTF is AA doing instead of Rothwell” argument, which had become the main criticism in this thread; As I said, I don’t think they’re far from each other for impact. I think they have different pro’s/con’s, I think they’re completely different in style/position - so I don’t buy into something someone described as “fact not opinion!” He was bought/used and POTS in the relegation year as a LB Anyone whom reckons they predicted him being first choice centre-back on merit is lying in my humble opinion.

Like comparing pre-season, the only real moniker you’ve got is a league game. DW always looked a wide CB to me too - playing him against Doncaster as a WB was as foolish as a decision as TM has ever made, yet its not simply putting him in a role that makes a player. Surely even the most staunchest anti-TM rovers fan has to accept he’s made Williams a better player. Players evolve. Sometimes it’s confidence, other times it’s experience, plus many other factors. I was one of many completely convinced our lack of defensive recruits, plus swapping Raya for a loan - would mean chaos. 4 out of 5 clean sheets in last 5 league games...

Manager(s) you must surely mean since Coyle signed him, and he played a full season (also Player of season) as a full back. Hindsight is 2020, if you want to criticise TM for not doing this sooner, crack on.

Massively disagree. Nobody is a finished article at 24, and comparing him with the best current England international is rather pointless imo

Yet for 3 seasons he’s predominantly played full back till recently.

Would you expect any young player to be the finished article? Would I expect TM or any manager to be completely cemented in their mindset for a players use? Look at our defence yesterday; One converted defensive midfielder, one ageing wide player, two loans and one converted left back for £250,000, whom many would’ve been glad to see go, incidentally now looks as good a CB we have and scored a fantastic goal yesterday! There’s always scope for improvement, but considering that we’re in the second tier, and that we certainly aren’t top wage spenders either, I’ll always lean towards disagreeing with the close mindedness, the critique. In this case, of Gally, a lad more established and “successful” in the championship than all our young attackers bar Dack. The same applies to AA, BB, JR etc. “Top 6 quality” in a league where the top teams have 50/60m turnover vs the bottom teams paltry 5m sponsorship and low attendance, even the much maligned 13m wouldn’t buy you many guaranteed “top quality players”.. Hence why I wouldn’t expect anyone or TM to be 100% certain about what the lads we have can bring to the game. Gallagher for example, could’ve easily given away a penalty towards the end, Yet there is feasible rationale for seeing him as useful in our box, as well as the oppositions. Thus - I see criticism and think “why so quick to judge? The final paragraph is just you wishing everybody on this website had the same inclination- to cathartically moan about Blackburn Rovers. Thankfully, those that see BRFCS.COM as a dumping ground for their problems with football, are more the minority these days. Balance is key for me, and unfortunately - in my view, you and others have no scope for such!