Glass half full says the setup hasn’t done bad since we are safe and mid table. Subtle adjustments would be my suggestion personally on the system. An out and out winger would definitely be on my list to improve our attacking.

You keep referencing forest so that’s what else you’re basing it on for a start. Passing comment is one thing - suggesting he shouldn’t be in the squad? That’s a complete different suggestion in my eyes. It’s effectively saying he’s not even worthy of a chance. I thought KP was dissapointing but do I think he’s done enough to warrant a shot from the bench? That’s not my decision because I don’t take training. I wouldn’t be to impressed though by either of them in those roles today - but that’s not to say it’s time to bin either off to the u23s. Funny that you mention Gladwin.. I mean I remember one real poor moment, but overall I couldn’t say he’s “a bad un!” Because I never actually got to see him have proper spell. Two knee injuries and surgery curtailed any chance for him, regardless of the tattoos and pints stories on here.

Nope, Nuttall is a big target man / poacher as far as I recall, and whilst I think Ben is more likely a central player- he’s more suited than Joe. He has been here 4 months, he hasn’t started yet but we are “ruining him”. Sorry, but I just don’t agree. I’ll keep saying it, and you can keep replying if you want - it’s too early to judge.

From my perspective, that’s just not true. (As in seems dodgy) Underwhelming transfers do happen you know? Didn’t we pay 5m + for Ashley Ward in the 90s? Not that I’d be at that point to Fully judge yet, personally.

How is it patience if I’m prepared to judge someone on a poor cameo out of position, or a succession of substitute appearances? That’s the opposite of patience. You’re basing your total expectation without a start in the league for us and his forest career.... he is 19 for god sake, he’s barely past a graduate. Unlike the suggestions above, I don’t think what he has offered thus far is the maximum either, and I think highly of the manager’s opinion, so if he’s in the squad - it’s on merit. Palmer, who (for all the physical and technical attributes) looked equally clueless and far more lazy when brought on. My low opinion doesn’t stoop to questioning his inclusion in the squad though. Like I’ve said before, I don’t have the arrogance to think I know more from seeing less. You make sense about Graham being streets ahead of anyone else in this setup, and wanting more actual “wingers” - but I don’t understand how a big signing not quite stepping up yet is akin to us giving the reigns to a crooked agent, sticking with and hiring dodgy managers and tieing up and paying off thousands of pounds on poor contracts?

Looks in line to me that on reflection.

Was the goal offside? Apologies for not looking back if it’s already posted.

@blueboy3333 surely “catastrophic mistake” is worse than “fraud”...!

We have 18 professional footballers in a squad yet Ben is his “biggest challenge”? I could understand Rothwell being a preference today in hindsight.

Fee to wage flex.. see page 75 or whatever!

JW upper - serious stick for Ben, average stick (bar from me) for Palmer... sat next to @K-Hod

Nuttall deserves more of a chance but that can only come at the sub for Graham, whereas Ben is more “wide attacking” (although today was poor!) I genuinely feel a change of formation coming but it’s hard to see Dack dropped! 3 at the back could bring another forward in...

No spin. We are in transition from relegated- promoted- championship and 19 year olds are expected to come on and change games single handed.

One should be further on in their development, and it might be a bit of a rare perspective but I’d personally give our own players more time.

Complete over reaction in my opinion. Patience is a virtue.

Poor when he arrived today. No final ball, no quality at all. Looked out of position and lacking presence. I’d love to see us change formation to 2 up front now and then to better accommodate AA and Ben. One thing about the massive criticisms though; I noticed a very different expectation. KP came on, gave the ball away, failed to track, had no final ball and seemed to get progressively worse, yet the people around and behind me made no comment. BB’s first touch, second touch and further had comments - many “he’s shit”, “why have we spent 7.5m”, “he’s not even a footballer”... Now I don’t really think Ben looks a wide attacker yet, like Armstrong is developing into, he’s 19 and still raw... why is the expectation so high? Reason is price. I personally don’t think it should be like that, but I felt it today - the people around me genuinely vociferously more critical purely based on the contract scenario of both subs! The irony of it all.. one lad behind me said “he looks so short of confidence”.... no fucking wonder!

Obviously it’s much deeper than that, but Graham and Dacks form in that system plays a part in B.B. (and Armstrong, Rothwell, Palmer and others) having less chance to be involved from the start. People are critical of using two more defensive central players, but unless we start to struggle, Dack/Graham get injured/leave, I can’t see us changing the system. The time for me to judge the lad and his ability will come with a run of starts. I think it is a lot more difficult for a striker to come into a team and hit the ground running, than say a a full back. As for Nuttall, many would’ve been up in arms if we’d merely stuck with him as backup to Armstrong/Graham - it’s good to see him getting the goals in U23s though, I can’t see the extra pressure/competition for places being a bad thing!

How many championship teams have we played on the run Norwich are on?

l can’t help but think what kind of stick @chaddyrovers would get for betting against Rovers! On to the game; one of the first real tests tomorrow. A point will be well received without hindsight but I can’t help but think we might catch Norwich cold after going unbeaten for so long.

Let’s not get into a tit for tat argument. You know as well as I do, the “veil” is to hide predetermined opinions, decisions, beliefs and bias. You seemingly will go to any length to justify the long standing view that our manager ain’t good enough. From my perspective, slating ambition when then manager is looking sensibly up, or slating transfers when the mainstay of decisions are common sense - just looks and sounds like hyperbolic criticism or overreaction. If you cannot accept that without taking swipes at my intelligence, I’d suggest asking for “thicker skin” for Christmas,

I feel your “veil slips” whenever you start trying to justify the overreactive criticism and irrational response to articles like the previous one. If you can’t take the opinion on your own views, don’t post them.

I did debate your content, another (from my perspective) set of reactive over the top criticisms and paranoia. If you’ve no reply, no worries.

Hyperbolic criticisms and unnecessary and unrelated swipes from my perspective; 1. Ambition to target top half “and beyond that” is worthy of a sarcastic palpable and Heart comment? I’d assume that was a realistic ambition of most fans. 2. He said no major overhaul but right men to improve “fine lines”. Thats exactly what we need. 3. That was LT mention of Dack, no reference, no talk of sales, nothing from TM 4. The veil slips.. 5. Firstly, it’s been said that those who got us up will get their chances, Secondly; I’m not sure the opportunity to bring in potential in a position we are short of can be described as a “syndicate” signing. It’s highly paranoid imo, especially when main director at Ewood said they could flex between wages and fees. 6. You know as well as I do, anything to celebrate and people will give up their regular seat and cheap pint at the Crown ground once more. How you managed to stuff this bitterness into a response to a short interview on transfers is beyond me. You know, higher revenue, higher spend... right? Or if you prefer in future I can simply respond with the laughter emoji?

True, only league position and opponent.

It’s actually 4 quid for all u18s so I’d hope that a few pick that up. They are the demographic we need to target