It should be cheaper, it’s not a live sport, it doesn’t take the same facilities or organisation, it’s not as immersive and it has zero impact on our local economy. If you want to complain about anything, I think a large coke and a large popcorn being nearly 10 quid is more of a “pertinent” reason than a 3 quid late arrival surcharge.

Well that’s the first time I’ve ever seen anyone defend or support the pricing structure of cinemas - in my opinion the most pointlessly expensive experience there is these days, since it would cost me nearly 30 quid to take a friend at the weekend including drinks and snacks etc. As for rinsing our fans and putting off lapsed season ticket holders - it was a 1/4 off on all food and drink last Saturday, I don’t ever remember the club doing that, even before the Raos rocked up. I also don’t recall anyone mentioning that here. Fair enough the prices aren’t the cheapest anymore, but football (even in this league) ramps up in cost every season. FFP (if you’re prepared to accept its validity, certainly has done QPR serious damage imo) also means our football budget is linked to our actual monetary turnover - which makes me think we could be paying potentially twice as much if the wage boom trend in football continues. I have my own perspective - I’d probably pay more and I think those using the 3 quid surcharge excuse would literally use anything they could to justify their own lapsed interest. I’m sure these people aren’t scraping around for 3 quid if they’re considering a game including transport, food etc. I’d be more pissed off if I was a Burnley fan. Their club will likely turnover more this year than ever before and it also coincides with some of their better seats costing £550 for the season. Ludicrous.

I think we’d all agree a step in the right direction today? Pace and trickery to force a penalty cutting in from the wing. Potentially earned a starting berth since our next game is a previous league one team?

There’s something about the resilience of our squad that makes me think you’re probably on the money - still any top half finish has to be viewed as excellent! Long way to go yet but when Derek Williams comes in for injuries and ends up looking like Charlie Mulgrew’s equal, it’s hard not to be excited.

Stick to Fifa. If you expect every game to be 100% quality attacking and running a game, you’re a moron. We defended excellently today, Williams was particularly good. Armstrong, Reed, Evans, Smallwood et al all worked really hard if lacking a bit of final product. We never looked like losing to one of the form teams. We lacked quality, that’s a given but to come with some ridiculous comments sums up what kind of self entitled fan you are. Grow up

Grow up

This “that amount” talk needs to remember we’ve spent more paying players off in recent history than B.B. probably cost us upfront

Surely is an over entitled expectation to demand Danny Graham’s replacement one transfer window back into the championship? Confusion sounds fair but criticism would be a better word to describe what I would describe of over-expectation and impatient judgement. For instance his “square peg - square hole” position, which as many of us know can and will probably develop with age/games. I would like to see him have a run up top, but I’m not prepared to criticise his inclusion out wide, especially when we’ve utilised a 1 striker system for nearly all of the TMs time here. I can’t remember saying I don’t fancy him out wide though, I haven’t got anywhere near even making a judgement yet. Only thing I can remember is he takes an age to tie his laces...

See this is what I mean about the sense of over expectation + entitlement of fans. We aren’t even talking 3 months. He still hasn’t started a league game. It’s under the assumption he’s cost us 5m+ upfront. I dont assume that which likely changes my stance from the outset, regardless; The cost is probably going to end up be “cheap” if he has even the most marginal success here (English young strikers aren’t cheap). Hindsight with injuries to other positions in the squad, is a wonderful thing too. What about availability, interest and wages of other options like Mcgoldrick, Marriott, Bamford etc? We all want him to do well, I just expect it will take time for any teenager to gel into a squad, in a new area, with new facilities and a new manager and teammates.

I said nearly and if you take 35k a week, times it by 4 years, allow for NI and tax and a 10% signing on fee.. it’s not far off. The wage alone is 8m. I’d love to say I’d made up losing 20/30m on the likes of Dixon, Murphy, Best etc, but unfortunately it happened. In hindsight but I don’t know the wage structure or limits. I’m quite sure the club is moving in a better direction thus I trust they attempted to get cheaper or specific targets that slipped through the net. It’s never simple. We signed a lot of players again, they aren’t all going to come off but the confusion for me with B.B. is the instant expectation due to the perceived cost.

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/news/story/_/id/1129467/blackburn-rovers-sign-dickson-etuhu-from-fulham 4 year deal at reputed 30+k a week? Why do you think the clubs in so much debt..! https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/11273264.Paul_Wheelock_column__Blackburn_Rovers_hampered_by_wages_of_transfer_listed_players/

Two ends of madness. Obviously helped winning 3-0...!

Obviously was purposely hyperbolic. Agree though it’ll take a few months if not years to truly judge his characteristics and importance.

Replying to questions; Id put Brererton as the fourth option after Graham, Dack and Armstrong on the basis he has spent less time around the squad. A goal or an assist in a decent performance up top could change this opinion but I can only go off what I see so far. In terms of wide berths, I’ve not been particularly impressed with KP however he certainly upped his game at WBA so I’d personally persevere tomorrow. Probably put Conway before B.B. too - including AA and Bennett for the wings. Not sure of relevance and comparison to Nuttall. If it’s relevant to the numbering - then I ask why that’s important! Do I think we could’ve added more quality for the same price if it’s 6/7m plus a decent wage? Yes. Do I think we’ve paid anything like suggested upfront? No.

Good points in the main but just to make a point about the last part - we should be bringing him on to benefit the team not his experience or “how he looks” ie if the wingers looking bolloxed or we need to keep a target man on, perhaps he is better suited to that berth. Things can change rapidly in football though and I think that B.B. offers us more of a standard striker for changing to 2 up top. I know TM ain’t done this yet, but that’s because we’ve lost 5 games in 12 months playing with one up top. Another aspect- I’d also suggest, without evidence obviously, that the signing of Armstrong including wages will have probably cost us more in the 2018/19 season budget. Firstly because I think AA will be more likely on 10k+ a week and his fee seemed to be all in one. Secondly because I’d expect Brererton to be on less than that and his deal to be structured, appearance and promotion based

So there’s no such thing as square pegs then? Or has Brererton shown you he doesn’t have a second best position already? Roversfan99 uses the Forrest’s fan’s judgement on Brererton, remember what Bolton fans said about Armstrong out wide? What if he’d come on for DG upfront 3 times already but not scored... would you be advocating we try him out wide? All this boils down too, if you’ve or anyone has come to a judgement on his abilities already, you’re making yourself (in my opinion) sound a bit stupid. The cost argument from last week is negated by the fact wages/fees have been going up exponentially for 30 years. 6/7m is literally peanuts when you factor in we paid Dixon Etuhu nearly twice that in wages.

So Armstrong isn’t an archetypal “square peg” then eh?

1. You talk as if signing someone else to support or backup graham would be simple. When the likes of Paddy Bamford’s costing you 5m + 25k a week, it’s never easy. 2. Pleading he doesn’t have enough strikers? That’s nonsense mate. We only ever play one out and out anyway. 3. The melodramatic comments are just polarised hyperbole. You call him “very poor” I personally think that’s worse.

Fair enough but this black and white “square pegs” argument would’ve meant Armstrong would’ve only made 1 appearance this far this season. It’s never that simple. The system can utilise different types of attackers/players in different berths. It’s obvious to me that Ben offers attributes that can be utilised in different attacking roles. The lad is 19 ffs, and to get to “horror story” already. Ridiculous

I’m not criticising people for getting at him, I’m criticising their opinion as rash, ill thought out and brimming with over expectation. So you’d prefer us to change formation to suit him?

To put it lightly, I agree. Sense of entitlement with B.B. is another example of the changing nature of “support”

Said the same about Armstrong last January. Can I ask a question - how long before you’d cancel and release his contract for being shit? 10 sub appearances? 15? Do we give him 1 league start and if he doesn’t score we put him out to pasture?

He’s a 19 year old prospect, I simply never understand how you assume you know better. There’s giving an opinion, and then there is “@#/? the bed” at every opportunity. It’s 11 months since people said the same about Armstrong. You considered he has never played out wide for forest? I genuinely can’t believe this reaction to one snippet or quote, without even the question asked.

Definitely ? Seem to recall it being capped unnecessarily, I’ll take your word for it.