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And that's my firm preference too, always has been, always will be. Responsible owners would ensure that happened and would do their utmost to avoid putting it into administration by handing it over to new people and giving up their debts. But I also firmly believe that under these owners the club is on a terminal trajectory that will eventually lead to at best a long spell in the bottom 2 divisions. The status quo is not sustainable or acceptable. Too many people are influenced by the fact we are surviving in the Championship and have a facade of normality but look beyond that and it is a crisis situation. With that in mind we need rid of them. That, in my view, is clear. The only debate surrounds how that comes about. Let's also remember that if Waggott's scheme had come to fruition we'd have already sold the training ground and there would be a great big housing estate being built there right now. We know about that because he couldn't keep it hidden from the public. Lord only knows what other plans he's had in secret to cut and reduce the club further that he would have followed had he been able.
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In an administration scenario the club would still need to function. It would still need to 'maintain' Ewood Park and Brockhall, it would still have an academy, football team, club shop, matches to host and everything else. When Derby, Portsmouth, Bolton, etc. etc. etc. went into admin they continued to play their matches, and presumably weren't run by volunteers during that time. Liquidation is another matter entirely as the whole lot goes but given that fate hasn't yet fallen on any club comparable to Rovers I'd be reasonably confident that wouldn't happen here (unless something very dodgy goes on). So I'm struggling to understand which people Venkys and Mr Cutback Waggott are currently employing at this scaled back, downgraded operation would suddenly be made redundant in the event of administration. Is the suggestion that there are legions of non-essential staff currently on the payroll? If so I would ask why. Or is the suggestion that administrators would get rid of essential staff? If so who and how would we continue to operate as a football club in those circumstances? I think it is unlikely given Waggott and Venkys have orchestrated cutbacks, downgrading and downsizing at just about every opportunity they can find over the last 6-7 years at least. It seems logical that they are by and large only employing people now that they have to employ to ensure that the operation keeps on functioning. Of course a change of ownership MIGHT see job losses. It also MIGHT see job growth. Nobody knows until it happens. Had Eustace not pulled a couple of surprise wins out the bag at the end of last season we'd be in League One now and I'm pretty sure with that there would have been quite a few job losses. That's the danger in being employed at a football club, especially one run by cowboys. Sooner or later there's a pretty good chance of relegation and financial difficulties and with that a risk of job losses. Not nice but nothing new in the world of football or indeed many other forms of entertainment.
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John Park head of recruitment
JHRover replied to chaddyrovers's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
Further evidence of this being a club in crisis, despite Waggott and Gestede's claims to the contrary. It isn't normal or in keeping with a stable club to have such a high turnover in staff behind the scenes. It points towards there being very significant strategic or financial problems (probably both). Further evidence, if anyone needed it, of Venkys complete and utter indifference to what is happening, as any responsible, fit and proper owners, would be holding Silent Suhail and Waggott to task on this. Who appointed Broughton? Why did his tenure last under 2 years? Who brought Park back? Why has he gone so quickly? Why has there been a revolving door of staff, yet those at the top of the tree and raking in the most cash take absolutely no responsibility for this and get to keep going with this nonsense? -
Fans Forum / Roverstore
JHRover replied to Riverside under the drip's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
I'd actually rather they just ignored the 150th, or admitted that they can't be arsed with it and therefore won't be doing anything, than embarrass themselves and the Club with more of this sort of thing. We know it will involve next to no planning, spending, organisation or effort, so will be limited to tacky stuff like a run of t-shirts and a few twitter interviews with 'legends' a.k.a former players they can persuade to get involved at no cost. It's already shameful enough that this is going to occur under Venky ownership, with a shyster at the helm of it, with the club in a zombie like state sleepwalking towards oblivion. They've no right to profit from former glories. -
John Park head of recruitment
JHRover replied to chaddyrovers's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
I think that they probably brought Park in on a short term 'consultancy' basis to navigate the summer window. We were in a bit of a mess having just survived relegation, no money and all of Broughton's gang heading out the exit door. Waggott needed someone familiar with the operation to come in quickly and identify a few players. Now that things have 'settled down' by which I mean we are looking good for mid-table again and no squad reconstruction required, as well as having the latest public face to it in Gestede settled into his role, they've decided Park has served his purpose and isn't worth the wage. Forget about January's window, we've seen first hand several times that there will be no serious recruitment done then other than a loan or two, so that buys them another 7 months to coast through to May and the Indian review meeting/budget setting and repeat again. -
John Park head of recruitment
JHRover replied to chaddyrovers's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
Just the usual short termism, never ending cycle of staff at playing, coaching, management level. Inevitable under a regime overseen by a con man. It was always odd when he was brought back into the club despite having already left only 2 years previous having been part of the Mowbray regime. I remember suggestions at the time saying that Waggott had turned to him to come in at short notice to help with the chaos of the summer having got rid of Broughton and his gang and being in a mess after nearly getting us relegated last season. My expectation is that he was only ever here on a short term arrangement to 'help out', He did that in the summer and now as we gear up for January he is either seen as surplus to requirements or has decided that there's no point in him being here. Suspect if he's been told that there's no money and more sales are required he's probably realised it is all pointless. Isn't it telling that we are back to the good old days of chaos and high turnover on players and behind the scenes staff yet the chuckle brothers running it have had their feet well and truly under the table now for 7-10 years and not a murmur of either being moved out. -
The trajectory that they have put us on in the last 3-4 years is one which sooner or later will drop the club into League One. Some suggest that these cuts are purely a result of their legal issues in India, which I think is totally wrong. If we look back the budget cuts were in full flow before that, going back to the start of Covid and there was talk at the time about them having issues due to the pandemic and the club needing to 'help' them through etc. Whether this was a genuine issue for them or whether it was just a convenient excuse to justify further cuts it matters not, the important thing to keep in mind here is that it has been going on for years and has not all been brought upon them by the Indian authorities. You cannot exist indefinitely in a highly competitive, ambitious league filled with ex-PL clubs, owners who want to improve and progress, invest in their clubs, with our short term, cost cutting model. One look over our shoulders at the likes of Birmingham, Wrexham, yes Stockport, in League One but with wealthy owners putting money in, investing in facilities, players, wages, growing gates - these are clubs that are working hard to get to the Championship and beyond whilst we stagnate on a road to nowhere - sooner or later they will replace us. There's no place in competitive sport for timewasters, which this club will always be under these owners. We've got away with it the last few years. To Mowbray's credit he left us with a number of valuable assets developed over several years going back to a time when they did invest some money, these assets kept us competitive on the pitch and allowed for a slither of reinvestment. Then the last couple of years we've had the emergence of talents like Wharton and Szmodics. What should of course happen is the £30+ million brought in from those sales should then go into new quality players on long term deals which themselves deliver in the Championship and lead to success or big sales down the line. No such plan here though which is a recipe for disaster - no owner investment and no reinvestment of sale proceeds = disaster.
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Fans Forum / Roverstore
JHRover replied to Riverside under the drip's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
The point at which a club is refusing entry to fans to watch games, considering it not worth the hassle or cost, and instead prefer to have no fans there, indicates a club that is not functioning how it should be. The fundamental purpose of a club is to provide entertainment for supporters. Here just an aggravation they would rather not have to bother about. Easier having it behind closed doors. -
It is a con of an operation, orchestrated by the owners and their underlings. The aim of the operation is to achieve the owners' objectives whilst keeping the paying public in the dark as to what is actually going on. They do this via the constant, never ending reset and restart process. After they destroyed the club the first time around - removing Sam Allardyce and the board, employing Kean as manager, relegating us to the Championship, the first 'reset' was in bringing in people like Shebby Singh, Shaw, Agnew - the outcome of this was to convince people that changes were being made and things were getting better. This led to more fiasco with the 2012-13 season of 4 managers, and very nearly took us into League One. Then came the Bowyer period and simply by being steady away and more settled this convinced people that changes had been made and lessons learned. Then after a couple of years of this they had the Lambert project. On paper an exciting ambitious appointment and all the talk from manager down was about promotion and getting better. Incompatible with this ownership, clear that false promises had been made before giving him the job, and it last all of 6 months before he got out at the first opportunity. Another reset this time appointing an utter joke of a manager in Coyle and all his staff, successfully taking us to League One, inexplicably waiting until February to make a change, far too late for even a remotely competent Mowbray to keep us up. Now into League One and Mowbray given a long term deal, another reset. Keep the paying public on side thinking that this time it will be different, fresh start, new process. Just like with Bowyer it works for first few years, reasonable investment, keeping main players, upward momentum, but no real push or pressure to achieve anything beyond mid-table Championship and plod. Mowbray goes stale yet is left in place to drift for a couple of years. Almost by accident we find ourselves in the middle of a promotion push in his last season yet no effort made to get us over the line and him treated disgracefully at the end of his contract with radio silence. Another reset. This time we're going continental. Lets get a D of F and foreign coach instead of the old boys club of previous years. Sounds good. Makes sense. For once suggestive of a club with a plan, a vision, a long term strategy. It bears fruit immediately. Despite the chaos of Mowbray's departure and then bringing JDT in shortly before pre-season started it works to perfection, with us in the top 6 all season long and clear signs as the season progresses of improvement and a philosophy. No backing provided in January, merely a loan of Sorba Thomas from Huddersfield allowed, clearly no intention of us going one better than the previous year. We miss out by the skin of our teeth. Any normal, remotely ambitious club, would have seen an opportunity there and backed JDT to go one better the following year. Of course not here, instead active sabotage as even his original meagre budget is then slashed further mid-summer, conditions that any professional club would struggle to operate with. They eventually succeed in wrecking the JDT project as he knows it is impossible to get anywhere working for these people, and learns the problem isn't Broughton but is the ownership and Waggott (listen to his change in direction of his blame in interviews from his first season to his second). They then manage to get Broughton out of the door too after managing to get him to shoulder all the blame for the nonsense of the last 3 transfer windows and for signing a few duds with his non-existent transfer budget Another reset after nearly taking us to League One again. This time back to basics with a British management team and this time Gestede getting his feet under the table. Another project. Another road to nowhere. Anyone else bored by it now? It's just an endless cycle of one step forward two steps back whilst the debt mountain grows. They've no intention, or plan, to get this club anywhere and even when promotion opportunities have dropped into our lap by accident they've done nothing to grasp it, even when relegation has been firmly in the picture they've done nothing to avert it.
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At what point do the Football League get involved with this disgrace? They've been putting the Reading owner under pressure and threatening sanctions in public in response to his running of them, including demanding that he deposit funds in a secure account to fund the running of the club. Why is the situation any different here?
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"Rudy Gestede stressed that open communication with supporters will be a key in his role as Blackburn Rovers' Head of Football Operations" "Gestede vowed to ensure supporters feel connected with Rovers by helping them understand the strategy moving forwards" "I think communication is key, they have to know what's going on to a certain extent obviously. If you want them to feel part of the club then you need to make them feel like they know what's happening in the club. "I'm pleased we're doing this already. Steve Waggott is doing his best to ensure the fans know what's happening in the club" "I think Steve is working to make sure we are improved on everything and we're all aligned in the same direction." Only earlier this year the club 'scooped' the EFL 'Fan Engagement Award' So owners back in Court in India facing legal issues that directly impact the future operation of the football club, potentially the very existence of the football club. Lets see how long it takes for Rudy and Steve to communicate what this means and what happens next. Or will they, like their bosses, only react once they have no choice and say the bare minimum?
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In all likelihood the ONLY way Waggott feels he can earn credit with the Indians and thus keep himself in lucrative employment is by saving them money. The shortest route to doing this is to sell, sell, sell, cut, cut, cut and not make any non-essential requests for cash. He's the master of this. It's one thing he has done consistently since the day he darkened the Ewood door. He isn't going to ever try to persuade these people to push, to adopt his grand multi-year strategy for growth and advancement, push for better, more money, get on the phone to them and request it. He's in self-preservation mode. Keep the head down, take a bit of grief from the fans from time to time, regurgitate the party line about them being kind people constrained by those nasty rules, and reduce the burden on their wallets and the job is a good one.
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v Cardiff City (a) - 9/11/2024
JHRover replied to Herbie6590's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
Extra Sky TV money could have been used: a) To subsidise cheaper tickets or travel, or both, for fans (think Stoke are still running free away travel, paid for by the club) b) To improve facilities, infrastructure, pitch, stadium, concourses, PA system, lighting, seating, matchday entertainment, jumbo screen etc. Doesn't look to me as though any of it has gone into any of these things, instead simply to make life easier for Venkys and then into the back pockets of people like Waggott, agents and players. Of course when you are 70, counting down to lucrative retirement in Kent, absolutely no interest in the medium to long term health or standing of the club, and have the morals of an alley cat using that extra cash was never going to be on the agenda and has been forgotten about. Nobody can really question why numbers turning up are dropping quickly. It was always a likely outcome with the new Sky deal and Rovers have done zilch to mitigate that using the cash they got. -
Pep Guardiola could offer to walk to Brockhall and work for free and this regime would either turn him away or make the job impossible. Doesn't matter who sits in the dugout or how good they are. A regime with no ambition or interest will demolish and suck the life out of whatever good he gets going.