
JHRover
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Sounds like Sam Hart going on loan to Rochdale.
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Yet no matter what they can't pay money for anyone until January, only loan. It would make absolutely no sense for Rovers to loan any important players out at this stage. If we were to be tempted to sell that could still happen in January when we've more time to replace (preferably we won't sell at all).
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The approach should be not for sale at any price to a non-Premier League club. Of course there comes a stage where that might not be feasible and £15 million would probably be thereabouts, but the better way to deal with these sort of clubs is to immediately tell them to 'do one' and that there's no negotiation to be had. Once they get that robust message they probably won't waste their time chucking bids in at £7 million, if that's what they've done. Our problem previously has been that we've encouraged bidders to come along as we've had the for sale sign up outside. That has to stop and thankfully it seems to have done under Mowbray. If the shoe was on the other foot and we went it with £7 million for WBA, Leeds or Middlesbrough's best player they'd tell us where to go and make it clear there was nothing further to talk about.
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I'm not interested in WBA's motives. I wonder what's in it for these 'journalists' in the Sun to spend so much of their time on the subject of Rovers. Anyhow, should be a non-starter. If we have serious ambitions as a club then we need to be passing clubs like WBA. I'd be surprised if Darren Moore was still their manager come January.
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If, as we suspect, it is total drivel, you do have to wonder who is pushing the button this sort of stuff. I notice it isn't Alan Nixon but another rumour spreader but what is really in it for this lot to constantly come up with these stories about Rovers? I've not noticed many linking Preston or Bolton players with imminent moves away.
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Price should be irrelevant. Not for sale to a club we should be looking to finish above.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/7133002/west-brom-7m-bradley-dack-bid-rejected-blackburn/?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SprnklrSUNOrganic&UTMX=Editorial:TheSunFootball:TwImageandlink:Statement:Sport
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The only worry we should have on Dack is if a Premier League club comes in strong for him. For that to happen he would have to have an excellent season in the Championship. Even then it isn't very often these days that players in the Championship get picked up by Premier League clubs unless they have excelled consistently for a long time. We'd be no different to any other Championship club in that situation - we would probably have to sell him or offer him a mega deal to try and get him to stay here. That's life and I would have no complaints if he ended up being sold to a top flight club provided we got a decent fee and REINVESTED the proceeds. We'd probably be looking at the likes of Bournemouth on that as they seem to like going for promising British players. If we're in the business of selling our star players to Championship rivals then no doubt there would be a collection of clubs queuing up to try and get him and that's where the anger develops as we don't need to do that. Fortunately at the moment we don't seem to be in the business of inviting interest as we were a couple of years ago. So long as we get the message out that he isn't for sale to Championship clubs then the majority will understand that message and won't waste their time trying. When we do like we did with Cairney, Rhodes and Hanley and openly invite bids and are seen to be willing to discuss it then all sorts of clubs will chuck bids in to try and get deals done and it becomes a snowball effect. Depends how serious we are on keeping them. Make your better players feel wanted and resist interest fiercely and that's half the job done. Invite interest and start selling and it encourages more.
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Of course, because nothing dodgy or untoward has happened around Rovers under this regime has it?
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Yes but Rothwell and Davenport for me fall into a different category to Armstrong and Brereton. They are unproven and relatively cheap deals/low risks. Rothwell has impressed me with his displays and I've no idea what or when Davenport is going to be able to come into the side. I've no idea what is going on with Davenport. As it stands it will be goodbye to Mulgrew, Downing, Caddis, Whittingham, Gladwin, Palmer, Rodwell, Reed, Evans, Conway and Graham. Irrespective of the abilities of those players we haven't got a big squad now and almost half of it will need replacing from somewhere. A complex and expensive job. An opportunity and I suppose potentially exciting if we get serious money to do it with but that would, in my opinion, require a budget bigger than the one we've had this summer and serious money spending on multiple positions. Whilst we can be happy with keeping our better players, adding a few decent ones and handing out some new contracts I'd like to reach a stage where we have a settled SQUAD of our own players who are here for several years and push on. I still think there is too high a turnover. Good work done but there is scope to do more.
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I think I've already said two things on this subject. I also said I would pass judgment when the window was shut. First off they've surprised me with the Brereton purchase and yes I turned out to be wrong when suggesting our interest was not serious or that multi-million pound bids were not genuine. Well done all round for that one. My cynicism in relation to these owners will not immediately change off the back of a couple of good transfers but I'm happy to be proved wrong many more times if it means more money is invested and we sign more good players. Did the window exceed my expectations? I suppose in terms of the money we've paid out yes it did, because I never believed we would spend what we did on Brereton and Armstrong (even though I still believe it is short of the £9-10 million some people are claiming, probably more towards £5 million with add ons down the line). Still it is movement in the right direction. In terms of those players we have brought in overall I'm happy with the type and quality. The big ones for me are Armstrong and Brereton as long term signings, and I would have liked more long term signings rather than short term as I can forsee another major overhaul next summer. I would have liked and would still like a couple more - a back up GK/CB and another option up top - so I'm not 100% satisfied no - I don't think anyone at any club ever can be as there is always room to improve further - of importance here is the manager saying he wanted 4-5 more players and to date we've added 3, of which one is Rodwell, and Reed is only a loan. So happy with the money invested, happy with most of those brought in, but think more could and hopefully will be done.
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At the Forest end of it they were saying that the deal 'could' be worth 'up to' £7 million to them. That suggests a maximum of that if certain conditions are met and it could be less. The £4 million is an estimate as to the likely ball park downpayment we're talking here. A certain amount guaranteed up front with other chunks along the way depending on performance. The Rhodes deal was reported at £8 million yet plenty of those 'ITK' said it was nowhere near that to begin with but would have reached that had we got promoted etc.
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I don't think FFP is anything to worry about with the levels we've been spending. Whilst the Brereton deal is a lot more than I expected us to be spending, it isn't going to be a £7 million cash payout in one go. It will be a deal that could reach £7 million over the next 3-4 years if certain milestones are reached for both Ben and Rovers e.g. if we get promoted, if he scores X goals or if he plays for England. If any of those things do happen then his value and our value/revenues will increase so much that £7 million will be loose change. As with Armstrong it really is a no-brainer. We've probably committed to £4 million or so for Brereton and about £1.5 million for Armstrong. Decent money but not close to what most clubs at this level have spent recently. But the key is that there's a very high likelihood that one or both of those two lads will be worth £10 million+ in the next couple of years if they develop as expected and perform in the Championship. If they don't they've always got Dack who even now would probably fetch a £6 million profit having only played 3 Championship games in his career. Its a sensible and good way to do business, along similar lines to what they were doing under Bowyer although they seem to have released a bit more for Mowbray either because they like him or because the wage bill isn't quite as onerous as it was back then. It comes back to whether this is a genuine attempt to improve and strengthen the team for years to come or whether its with a view to a mass cull in a couple of years should we not manage to get promoted. Only time will tell but after what they did to Bowyer's team I'm treading more carefully this time. I hope they've changed and the accountants, Mowbray, Waggott and Pasha have got the message through to the bungalow that this is how to behave.
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One option might be to run buses to Ewood from areas like Leyland, Chorley, Lancaster etc. How about having a season ticket or match ticket entitles you to a subsidised trip to the ground? I was surprised/impressed when I saw last season that Charlton Athletic run buses from various places around Kent and Sussex to the Valley for home games. Places further away than South Ribble or Lancaster are from Blackburn. We need to understand, or certainly the people running Rovers need to understand, that Rovers isn't just a Blackburn/Darwen club, it is supported right across the region heavily in various towns in Lancashire. Limiting our target audience to folk in Blackburn is going to cause problems. There should be adverts going up on bus shelters in Hyndburn and South Ribble for season tickets, not just Blackburn. It's why mentioning the population/demographics of Blackburn itself as a major issue for the club is only part of the story because we've a heck of a lot of support from the region around Blackburn that should be encouraged and tapped into. Accrington Stanley make efforts to try and persuade the people of 'Hyndburn' to support their local club. Places like Ossy and Harwood are now being lumped into being part of Accy when really those areas are just as much for Rovers to try and exploit as they are Stanley, yet I don't see any promotional stuff for Rovers in the Observer etc.
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I'd prefer to see the lower Darwen End completely empty with away fans placed upstairs. That's what Bolton, Millwall, Sheffield Wednesday, QPR and even Derby, Middlesbrough and Leeds do when smaller followings come and they opt to keep away fans away from pitchside. There must be some method in their decision making. Last week Rovers were offering season tickets with the Millwall ticket cost deducted for those who had gone to the Millwall game and bought a separate ticket for that.
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Today is a good lesson in how one rumour on one website can spread like wildfire. This morning the suggestion of Chapman coming back was little more than a distant fantasy among people. Then some 'journalist' at the Daily Mail decides to run with a 'story' about us wanting him back and here we are. There might actually be some truth in it, who knows, but whether there is or not the story has now been retweeted, rehashed, repeated and passed on by so many people over the last couple of hours that all of a sudden everyone is talking about it when there's no evidence really that it is even a possibility. Isn't he still injured?
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Difficult to fairly compare newpapers' strike rate with stories. The reputable ones like the Times, Telegraph and Guardian usually don't bother with idle gossip and rumour spreading and tend to report on facts as they actually unfold, whereas our old pal at the Sun and previously the Mirror makes a living out of spreading gossip and putting rumours about which 90% of the time don't happen. Lord knows how he gets away with it with his record of success which is increasingly poor and that much of his efforts seem to be focused on Rovers, Bolton and Wigan, clubs where there can't be that much of a market for gossip, rather than the Premier League boys.
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Graham is not a 90 minute player any more. He might well have played for 90 minutes on occasions but that is a dangerous game to play for both his and our sakes. We need options and depth here for a 50+ game season. Already we're seeing injuries with Armstrong, Graham and Samuel all injured or not 100%.
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I still can't believe nobody has got hold of Maddison from Peterborough yet. They've made plans for him not being there, supposedly has a relatively low release clause, can't believe no Championship side has gone for it yet. I expect something will happen on that one this week for him to go somewhere.
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Yes but there's loads of people all over twitter and Facebook now expressing concern, unease etc. at us spending that amount. They seem quite comfortable with other clubs spending millions every window whilst we feed off the scraps and loans and then the minute we look like spending a few bob (on a player that I'd bet heavily will deliver a financial return in a few years) people are getting their knickers in a twist about it. E.g. 'Where's the money coming from?' - the answer is from the owners, same as at every club in this league, the difference is other clubs routinely spend such amounts whilst we've not have that luxury over the last 5 years. No doubt if we were going out signing Grabban for £7 million people would complain about his age and lack of resale value. We get a bright young prospect and some say it's too much of a gamble on a kid etc. Not sure why anyone is so bothered. It is Venkys money, if they want to trust the manager with it then good for them, I expect they'll eventually make a profit on Dack, Brereton and Armstrong by many millions and they've had much more than £7 million back from good transfer business over the last few years. If it works out then happy days, if it doesn't then Venkys will probably repeat the last 4 years and cease providing funds for new players whilst selling a couple to get their cash back. Its a refreshing change to be spending a bit for once so I'm not going to get myself worried about what happens if he doesn't work out well for us or what Venkys particular motives are.
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There's no point in them being in this unless they want to invest and have big plans. These days there's no reward to foreign owners of being in the Championship, only the Premier League, so lets hope whatever advice they're currently acting on (whether that be the accountants, Pasha's, Mowbray's or others) we can continue to make some sort of progress from it.
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Forest spend £7 million on Grabban, Derby spend similar on Waghorn, neither of whom will have much resale value, those clubs are showing ambition and we should accept that as a fact of life. We are reportedly spending a similar sum on a teenager who is highly likely to grow in value and subsequently be sold by the owners for a profit and we get all the talk now about it being too much money, too much of a gamble, where's the money coming from etc. Fact is we've lagged behind rival clubs for years on player spending and have hidden behind a multitude of excuses when all along the owners could have spent had they wanted to. This is clearly being sold to them as an investment which is likely to reap returns for them. Fair enough. You have to invest to even keep up yet it seems some are very uncomfortable with the concept. Meanwhile we should stand back in awe whilst clubs like Forest and Derby spend fortunes on ready made players. Odd.
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Other Football League 2018/19
JHRover replied to SBlue's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
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Doesn't actually matter that much whether those out of contract are ones we want to keep or not. The point is that we need to be building a squad bit by bit not seeing a dozen plus out of contract each year. Those bodies will need replacing properly hence why bringing in more permanents now would offset it somewhat next year.
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Next summer we'll have 13 people who are out of contract or end of loan. These are: Paul Caddis, Sam Hart, Paul Downing, Charlie Mulgrew, Corry Evans, Craig Conway, Peter Whittingham, Danny Graham, Ben Gladwin, Kasey Palmer, Jack Rodwell, Joe Nuttall and Harrison Reed. We will have Raya, Nyambe, Lenihan, Bell, Williams, Rothwell, Davenport, Samuel, Smallwood, Travis, Dack, Armstrong and possibly Brereton under long term contract. So approximately half the squad will be gone in the next 9 months as it stands. I think it needs to be much more heavily weighted towards a small number being let go and the majority here beyond then.