I too, like Rev, expected us to come away with nothing. This is a case of the good old FA puffing out their chests and flashing the V signs. They WILL overturn worse, more blatant cases in the future.

Fit in? You'd be God like.

Lost amongst the refereeing debacle was a point I wanted to make more of an opinion/observation. MGP, first 20 minutes, every time he got the ball out wide he passed it backwards (A la bert of old) he never even turnd to go forwards, complete utter waste of time. I was there watching the game giving him hell when on about 20 mins he received the ball out wide again. What happened next is marked on my calendar. He turned to face the opponents and took on his man and actually beat him. I was floored. He tried it again later but it did not work out so back to normal. This man infuriates me, he always has to be honest. Do we persist in the sheer hope that he will pull a moment of magic out of his hat, well he's not doing and to me he's not worth a starting spot. Now, what was that about a handball.

I played FIFA and sort of liked it, never playerd Pro E though so can't compare. I am utter tosh at games, I have a hard time with all the buttons. I saw on FIFA they want me to press 3 buttons and swivel a joystick button all at the same time! Strictly long ball kick and rush for me. I did enjoy the graphics. I believe PES over here is called Winning Eleven, I've never even seen it.

I know you are not Vinjay but are you perhaps related

Really How hard was it for you to write a post without banging on about the Walkers?

If you like to lick their backsides and put them on envelopes yes

I am not in favour of replay technology at the match. What I am in favour of, and I think we need it big time, is video technology to punish these cheaters and floppers. Use the video and have a panel to reveiw incidents from games and start dishing out some HEFTY suspensions. I think with this in place a lot of these "difficult" decisions will go away, quite frankly a lot of them are being generated by unsportsmanlike play from flopping players. Stomp that out first and then see where we sit.

Look at the Penalty given against OOyah the other week and Mido's "handball" and tell me if you were a ref which would YOU give as a penalty. This is the inconsistancy in the game. People throw their arms up at the "conspiracy theory" but there is something perhaps it's not intentional but something happens to these refs when we get 'em. For some reason they decide it is OK for every 50-50 decision should be given against us. Another good example, Bert and Mido wrestling a bit for the ball Bert starts to win Mido knows it so flops to the ground (he's way bigger and stronger) but Bert had positoin and won the right. What happens free kick Spurs. They score from the free kick, which thankully was disallowed but it is the smaller things like this that happen week in and week out that ticks me off. Ref's are going to miss decisions but when there is a pattern in a game one has to question why. It's almost like the ref's are thinking no one cares if I make a few decisions against lil ol Blackburn but if I upset one of the big dogs I'll get berated in the media. Look at the Penalty given against OOyah the other week and Mido's "handball" and tell me if you were a ref which would YOU give as a penalty. This is the inconsistancy in the game. People throw their arms up at the "conspiracy theory" but there is something perhaps it's not intentional but something happens to these refs when we get 'em. For some reason they decide it is OK for every 50-50 decision should be given against us. Another good example, Bert and Mido wrestling a bit for the ball Bert starts to win Mido knows it so flops to the ground (he's way bigger and stronger) but Bert had positoin and won the right. What happens free kick Spurs. They score from the free kick, which thankully was disallowed but it is the smaller things like this that happen week in and week out that ticks me off. Ref's are going to miss decisions but when there is a pattern in a game one has to question why. It's almost like the ref's are thinking no one cares if I make a few decisions against lil ol Blackburn but if I upset one of the big dogs I'll get berated in the media. How did I manage that?

Because he plays for us. If he played for any one of the three Red shirted or Blue shirted "big four" they'd be drooling week in and week out, just like they do now.

You are kidding right, no theatrics bull pucky. Having watched the two incidents again the Spurs fella made a meal of it and I am still not conviced there was ACTUAL contact, one angle seems to suggest there was not, almost looking like he went ove on his toe as he tried to INITIATE contact with toogs. But if we are not sure with replay after replay then what's a Ref to do. The bloke made a meal of it if it is your opinion he did not then fair enough but I feel he did. As for the handball I am not convined he did handball it. Bottom line here, to me anyway, is he should not have even been there anyway. The two footed lunge he made just prior to that should have seen him gone. I find an intersting pattern with these disputed calls, the same people take the stance that whatever went against Rovers is the right thing, in many cases. Can these people be the only ones that are right.

Yes Lee I shot them an e-mail before I mentioned it in here. Have not heard anything yet.

Oh good, not good he's ill, good it's the reason he was not there.

It COULD have changed the game. Peter done him and was off to the races, Zokora went down clutched his head knowing the game would be stopped. Cheatin cheating cheating and for want of another word it is cheating. Did anyone see the smug grin as he looked back just aftr the incident. It this the same player that totally flopped for a spurs penalty, twice I beleive but one was 100 % con. This is the kind of thing we need to stamp on. this is the kind of player that has no place on our game. The officials always seem to hav eoptions when it is other teams Quick note on Mido, someone on here made metion of him being cult hero. I did not want to sign this fella when some were going all gaga over his signature. I am more relieved now than ever that we did not sign that fella. Did not like him then did nto like him today and he's not that good of a player either.

Surprise surprise, not given. I am sick to death of getting screwed by official. Sick sick sick Very slight contact for the pen, not intentional, a theatric dive it was more the way Toogs went in I think than the actual foul that swayed them.

Wait a minute, that's not the whole story now is it. They may be doing well now but look at the years and years (decades) of struggling in the lower echelons since their fall from grace.

Gally is not even on the bench today again. Signs are looking ominous for him, is he gonna be off in January.

I find myself ageeing with you TND, in regards to relegation. Having been isolated from the success, for the most part, in the Walker period I apreciate every moment we spend in the prem, even if we are struggling. I too fear that our next relegation will lead to a rapid decline in our clubs fortunes, A la Forest, Leeds, Coventry, Derby etc etc.

What's DRM? What do you mean clock set wrong. Time not exact?, could the fact we dont use daylight savings in Arizona be an issue? COuld you expand a little Lee? If the issue is IE7 will this be addressed and by who, would it be you folks or Microsoft that has the "issue" Duh, I'm so confused. I wish I had noticed before I renewed

Well I'm in a quandry now, I have become fond of the tabbed browsing. Firefox won't work for RW and I don't like, no effin hate, the video clips as they are. Perhaps I'll wait to see if Guru Grooby can shed a little light on this technical darkness.

Nowt wrong with the phrase Rev really. It's quite true, if ti is put in terms of size of the town, fan base and potential for support it's very true. Look at some of the heavy hitters or more "fashionable" teams we finished above. We should be stronger than most promoted sides but we perhaps are fortunate to be stronger than some of the more established sides. It's a good phrase, sorry you don't like it, not being sarcy either. Let's do Spurs tomorrow, have my doubts though.

Well put Rev but you sort of hit the nail on the head with your defence, the Trust is not The Walker Family and Vinjay is always having a go at the Wlakers, bit wide of th emark if that's the case don't you think. I'm sure when things aren't going well we'll find out who JW is accountable to. Bloody good questions though Rev and ones most Rovers fans would like to have answered. I'm done on this Vinjay thing. Can this thread.

Ah! but that is you, with my luck there will be nothing. Is there a way to back up favourites so at least I don't lose that. As for doubling the band width, great but not if it puts things so high end that the non geeks amongst us with our year and a half old goodies can not run it. My last computer I kept for 7 years, I hope to keep this one not that long but at least a coulpe more a couple more yet.

Holy moly, poor poor vinjay, I know a good shrink.

Tried it again this morning, it's still bad even without tab browsing.